The Phoenix Force vs. Eternity

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Competely different. He doesnt ask what transformed Galan he states it to be the energies of creation.

He doesnt say it was either the Phoenix Force or the Big Bang. After referring to those energies he says CALL it the Big Bang or the Phoenix.

He is conclusively equating the Big Bang to the Phoenix. That sentence is not ambiguous. 😄

This is actually true and again I say the problem is the writers, things conflict in Marvel all the time various creation myths exist with evidence read Thor 291 - 300 for another version of how MU came into existance.

Cannon in comics is almost impossible and writers and comics conflict all the time it's not retconn it's poor continuity. In fact you are both right and you are both wrong.

🙂

- FO!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Competely different. He doesnt ask what transformed Galan he states it to be the energies of creation.

And he doesn't know what started it. Thus the statement.

Also, result is the same from my example to his statement. Both end in speculation

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

He doesnt say it was either the Phoenix Force or the Big Bang. After referring to those energies he says CALL it the Big Bang or the Phoenix.

or what have you, meaning he doesn't know what created the universe, etc. He knows possiblity, but it's not conclusive

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

He is conclusively equating the Big Bang to the Phoenix. That sentence is not ambiguous. 😄

That's a conclusion that you came to that probably isn't the full truth of the matter, thus speculation.

I have a question.it seems giving birth to Galactus is meant to show phoenix's power and Status but does it really?i mean my mom gave Birth to me but i could kick her ass up and down the street.As for Status it's quite easy for some random woman to give birth to a rich business tycoon isnt it?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I have a question.it seems giving birth to Galactus is meant to show phoenix's power and Status but does it really?i mean my mom gave Birth to me but i could kick her ass up and down the street.As for Status it's quite easy for some random woman to give birth to a rich business tycoon isnt it?

Why do you imagine yourself beating up your mum? Don't you love her.

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- FO!!

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
And he doesn't know what started it. Thus the statement.

Also, result is the same from my example to his statement. Both end in speculation

What started what? What are you talking about?

He defines the energies of creation as the thing that created Galactus. He doesnt say maybe or possibly, its a definitive statement.

He then says CALL IT (the energies) the Big Bang or Phoenix Force.

Meanining hes equating the two.

He then says what have you?

Allowing his listener to decide for themselves what they would like to call those energies.

His statement doesnt end in speculation so that wrong.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
or what have you, meaning he doesn't know what created the universe, etc. He knows possiblity, but it's not conclusive

Says who? That isnt stated on panel so now youre speculating.

He seems very sure of himself as far as we're shown. He states what transformed Galen to Galactus he doesnt say i think its this or its possibility that so your assessment is unsupported. 😉

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
That's a conclusion that you came to that probably isn't the full truth of the matter, thus speculation.

Thats the only conclusion anyone justified in making as the sentence isnt ambiguous. 🙂

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I have a question.it seems giving birth to Galactus is meant to show phoenix's power and Status but does it really?i mean my mom gave Birth to me but i could kick her ass up and down the street.As for Status it's quite easy for some random woman to give birth to a rich business tycoon isnt it?

The difference is as Phoenix is the sum of all life Galactus will only ever be a small part of her.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The difference is as Phoenix is the sum of all life Galactus will only ever be a small part of her.

😆

Phoenix getting toyed with by Demons from Limbo:

"Despite her great power, Phoenix was defeated by Demons"

"Who TRANSFORM her into a Mannequin in a Shop Window" 😂

Handled.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What started what? What are you talking about?

He defines the energies of creation as the thing that created Galactus. He doesnt say maybe or possibly, its a definitive statement.

He then says CALL IT (the energies) the Big Bang or Phoenix Force.

Meanining hes equating the two.

Not necissarily. Reed tends to cycle through possibilities of the situation. He's been that way since he was created.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Says who? That isnt stated on panel so now youre speculating.

and where on panel does it say that he's conclusive about it? You're assuming, again. He's not conclusive, thus why he didn't say what it was in an exact sense. You actually expect someone like Reed Richards to say something like that and it be definite?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

He seems very sure of himself as far as we're shown. He states what transformed Galen to Galactus he doesnt say i think its this or its possibility that so your assessment is unsupported. 😉

Giving an option between two or more things = multiple options on what something is. There is no conclusion in that scan, so saying my assessment is unsupported is a bold faced lie.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Thats the only conclusion anyone justified in making as the sentence isnt ambiguous. 🙂

After all of that, it's more ambiguous than it was before, considering the fact that Reed does not know what it was that created Galactus, thus the multiple options.

Once again, Bread is not Cat.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Phoenix getting toyed with by Demons from Limbo:

"Despite her great power, Phoenix was defeated by Demons"

Yes she was and loads of others. Phoenix Avatars are not unbeatable. This doesn't mean some of GS's statements are not true either. It just means continuity and absolutes in Marvel cannot be argued.

Are you Whirly? As he made many of these points in threads i've read.

- FO!!

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Not necissarily.

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bread may not be cat but what are you trying to spell here?

- FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
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bread may not be cat but what are you trying to spell here?

- FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
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bread may not be cat but what are you trying to spell here?

- FO!!

That if someone gives two options on a possibility, it does not mean that they are one in the same.

If something soft hits my head, it could be my cat, a piece of bread, a nerf football, etc.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
That if someone gives two options on a possibility, it does not mean that they are one in the same.

If something soft hits my head, it could be my cat, a piece of bread, a nerf football, etc.

Nah, the post was lost on you. That's O.K.

- FO!!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Flame On doesn't spell yahman, but most can still read it for its true meaning. 🙂

🤨 a bit judgemental

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- FO!!

You brought out this scan before of Phoenix supposedly "healing" Eternity, I brought to light your misinterpretation of said scan when I posted how Giraud NEVER Healed Eternity in the slightest way,

Phoenix merely CAUTERIZED the Cancer that was inside Eternity, Giraud did this by burning away the Cancer, but the HOLE the Cancer produced was left there, NOT Healed or Repaired in any way by Phoenix.

Stakar and Aleta were going to the Beyonder's Universe through the HOLE that was there left behind when Phoenix CAUTERIZED the Cancer.

"by passing through the 'Scar of Eternity' .. the STILL-HEALING Tear in the Space/Time Continuum CAUTERIZED by the Phoenix"

You always use to be like "Healing Universes" and then the Giraud scans would come out flying.

But in FACT, in this very incident, it is clearly depicted that Eternity HEALS HIMSELF, without any need of any Phoenix:

"Incredible, REALITY literally REGENERATING ITSELF, Pure Creation"

"the Journey through the Scar is at an end, let's see what lies Beyond Eternity"

Nice going on holding back this information, in order to make everyone think Phoenix performed from Universal feat.

In any case,

Dormammu HANDLING Giraud (Phoenix Avatar)

Dormammu still HANDLING Giraud (Phoenix Avatar) and the Entire Team at the same time

Giraud (Phoenix Avatar) and the Entire Team, stay HANDLED

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Not necissarily. Reed tends to cycle through possibilities of the situation. He's been that way since he was created.

So now youre speculating then. You cant assume that Reeds just stating a possibility when he uses a definitive statement.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
and where on panel does it say that he's conclusive about it? You're assuming, again. He's not conclusive, thus why he didn't say what it was in an exact sense. You actually expect someone like Reed Richards to say something like that and it be definite?

He makes a definitive statement. He doesnt say, its possibly this or it could be that. He just defines Galactus as being created by the energies of creation. Simple as. So thats as far as Reed knows. Hes conclusive in what he's saying, he believes that to be the case hence his definitive statement however what he's saying might not be the case because he is only human. However given other cosmic sources say the Phoenix is the Big Bang, the power that starts off the cycle and giving that its canon that Galactus was transformed by the Cosmic Egg which is the Big Bang, Reeds comments are supported throughout continuity.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Giving an option between two or more things = multiple options on what something is. There is no conclusion in that scan, so saying my assessment is unsupported is a bold faced lie.

Hes not giving options as to whether the energies of creation that made Galactus are the Big Bang or the Phoenix Force, hes giving options to his listener as to whether they call those energies the Big Bang or the Phoenix.

Completely different. He equates them.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
After all of that, it's more ambiguous than it was before, considering the fact that Reed does not know what it was that created Galactus, thus the multiple options.

Once again, Bread is not Cat.

Errr mice is not dog? 😕

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Errr mice is not dog? 😕

No GS mice is not dog. 😉

Wood does make trees though.

🙂

- FO!!

Just a btw, this panel:

Is cut from a larger page which talks of universe singular, as part of a larger story about the Phoenix having an opposing universal counterforce.

As for the rest of the thread:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Eternity is boring. The Phoenix is boring. High level cosmics are boring. I don't see why anyone gives a flying f*ck which one can destroy more universes? Who cares? They're usually poorly characterised because writers think readers are dumb enough to go "Oooh ahhh so powerful... sparkly." like stoned teenagers playing with aluminium foil. They're next to useless on these forums because there's no one to use them against. Except for other boring high level cosmics.