You've been reported, Nebaris. I'm tired of dealing with you, and you'll simply be ignored beyond this point.
Escape, so you're telling me that there's only ONE interpretation to that quite and it's definitive? I disagree. At any rate after reading all the EU including GAOTS and KOTOR era comics, it's just a little difficult to visualize AOTC Sidious as already the most powerful.
You disagree? Then open up another avenue, or make an attempt. Just outright disagreeing with it isn't going to do anything. It's not a reference to political achievements.
Originally posted by Gideon
You've been reported, Nebaris. I'm tired of dealing with you, and you'll simply be ignored beyond this point.You disagree? Then open up another avenue, or make an attempt. Just outright disagreeing with it isn't going to do anything. It's not a reference to political achievements.
Oh no don't even think I'm going to go there lol, I know its NOT in reference to political achievements because he hasn't done anything by AOTC. I was simply stating that the quote about being a "master of evil" implied that Sidious was the most evil force user to ever use sith power. I don't think it at all implies that he is the most powerful sith lord of all time, at least not in that quoe.
But it wasn't about being just "a master of evil". The exact quote is: "the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time..." in a caption of a picture of Coruscant at night, and that is by memory, and it was made for the AotC visual guide and - in turn - the complete visual guide.
And though I'd personally consider Sidious to be the most evil, can we really say that that is a factual interpretation? Most Sith Lords have been absolutely barbaric and cruel. Maul was described as an "instrument of pure evil" though he lacked Sidious's megalomania or brilliance. Obviously there are Sith Lords who have performed "bigger and grander" feats of evil. But can we literally sit down and say one is more evil?
Simus got his head cut off and survived as a head in a jar, using his Sith Nagic to keep him alive. That's uber. And guess what? Ragnos was the one to cut off his head, so he must be even stronger than uber Simus is. He was also the strongest Sith Lord in an order that likely numbered in it's thousands and Ludo Kressh was afraid of Ragnos's spirit.
Umm...Simus wasn't decapitated...he was cut down and had his head removed, using his Sith alchemy to preserve his life...a LOT less impressive when a random noname priestess could do the same thing In "Enemy of the Empire"
How is this uber in the least? simus couldn't even defend against a blaster shot, is that uber? Simus woud have lost almost all his power as a head, that's uber? How'd Ragnos win? How does it translate to being more uber? How did Ragnos in? Since when was Ludo scared? Ludo displays NOTHING but reverence, not fear.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Umm...Simus wasn't decapitated...he was cut down and had his head removed, using his Sith alchemy to preserve his life...a LOT less impressive when a random noname priestess could do the same thing In "Enemy of the Empire"
How is this uber in the least? simus couldn't even defend against a blaster shot, is that uber? Simus woud have lost almost all his power as a head, that's uber? How'd Ragnos win? How does it translate to being more uber? How did Ragnos in? Since when was Ludo scared? Ludo displays NOTHING but reverence, not fear. [/B]
stop downplaying Ragnos.
Simus got his head cut off and survived as a head in a jar, using his Sith Nagic to keep him alive. That's uber. And guess what? Ragnos was the one to cut off his head, so he must be even stronger than uber Simus is. He was also the strongest Sith Lord in an order that likely numbered in it's thousands and Ludo Kressh was afraid of Ragnos's spirit.
Oh my god, he can preserve his life with some technology and some Sith techniques! Ragnos > all other Sith Lords besides Sidious because of this 😱
And please, when it says "Master of Evil to use Sith Power" you can't say it means Sidious is the most evil to use Sith power because you cannot judge who is more evil-er than the other. I mean, Nihilus sucked an entire planet, that's pretty barbaric compared to Palpatine. It's pretty obvious when it means master of evil that's it referring to a Sith Lord or a DLOTS.
Well, I want to clarify, Prodigal. I don't deny that Sidious is as evil as any Sith Lord who had ever lived, and a fair bit more devious than most of them - but it is hard to compare which one is more evil. Like I said, Maul - who had zero megalomania or intellect compared to Sidious - was described as an "instrument of pure evil". All of his biographies make a note of saying how consumed he is by evil and hatred. You're right, Malak and Nihilus and Vader and all of them have shown magnificient displays of cruelty. Sidious's evil is there, but it is more subtle - for the most part.
Edit: I think that Malak and the like are more "barbaric", in terms of outer displays of cruelty.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, he was cut down and had his head remvoed before he died.
Oh really? Prove it? I believe he lost his duel with Ragnos by decapitation, and used sith magic to stay alive. Why the HELL would he have his head removed from his body if he really WASNT decapitated and HAD the ability to use sith magic to live on? Not very logical lightsnake.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
Oh my god, he can preserve his life with some technology and some Sith techniques! Ragnos > all other Sith Lords besides Sidious because of this 😱And please, when it says "Master of Evil to use Sith Power" you can't say it means Sidious is the most evil to use Sith power because you cannot judge who is more evil-er than the other. I mean, Nihilus sucked an entire planet, that's pretty barbaric compared to Palpatine. It's pretty obvious when it means master of evil that's it referring to a Sith Lord or a DLOTS.
Wait, just a question. Isn't blowing up planets as barbaric as sucking the life out of them? 😛
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh really? Prove it? I believe he lost his duel with Ragnos by decapitation, and used sith magic to stay alive. Why the HELL would he have his head removed from his body if he really WASNT decapitated and HAD the ability to use sith magic to live on? Not very logical lightsnake.
Probably because he was DYING and seperating his head was the only way to survive? PRobably because he had to seperate his hiead from a dying body Ragnos had cut down?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
What you believe and what is so are apparently two fvery different things.
Probably because he was DYING and seperating his head was the only way to survive? PRobably because he had to seperate his hiead from a dying body Ragnos had cut down? [/B]
Lets think about what's more logical. The fact that he was decapitated and used his sith magic to stay alive as a talking head, or:
Him dying and THEN someone taking his head off and THEN him using sith magic to live. Well lightsnake, since you've lost all form of logic, let me ask you this, and I will try to be civil about it so you can understand it once and for all.
IF SIMUS HAS THE ABILITY TO USE SITH MAGIC TO LIVE AS A HEAD, THEN WHY WOULD HE NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A BODY IF IN FACT HIS BODY DID DIE?! But according to you, your ridiculous assumptions make sense, so who am I to snap you back into reality.
How about what's actually canon? Simus is mentioned as 'cut down' and then having his head placed in a jar.
Perhaps his body was shattered completely, did you think of that? Perhaps Ragnos sliced him straight down diagonally, severing nerves and arteries and the like? How about you consider that?
And how about you consider a random, noname Priestess did the same thing that uber Simus did with the Force in Enemy of the Empire.
Oh, and Simus as a head would've been about as weak as a baby according to the loss of most of his body and what happened to Anakin
Originally posted by Lightsnake
How about what's actually canon? Simus is mentioned as 'cut down' and then having his head placed in a jar.
Perhaps his body was shattered completely, did you think of that? Perhaps Ragnos sliced him straight down diagonally, severing nerves and arteries and the like? How about you consider that?
And how about you consider a random, noname Priestess did the same thing that uber Simus did with the Force in Enemy of the Empire.
Oh, and Simus as a head would've been about as weak as a baby according to the loss of most of his body and what happened to Anakin [/B]