Ragnos Runs The Gaunlet !!!!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Dark side sourcebook for starters. And when your body is destroyed, but your hea dis not...use some damn logic. You get so defensive whenever anyone challenges your views.

Marka Ragnos: Descriptions on the legendary Dark Lord

By Prodigal Knight

Biography: Provided from Wookiepedia -

Marka Ragnos was a half-breed Dark Lord of the Sith that was immensly powerful, both physically and in the Force . He defeated Simus in combat , proving himself worthy of the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith.

Feared, obeyed, and admired among the Sith, he was known to have been the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith to rule the ancient Sith Empire. The details of his century-long reign are few, although his death marked the end of the golden age of the Sith Empire, despite his reluctance to continue expansion. Immediately following his funeral, a schism erupted between the leaders of the Sith, and further events led to a major war with the Galactic Republic and ultimately, because the schism was never healed, the end of their interstellar empire.

His death resulted in the rise of another Sith Lord, Naga Sadow, shortly before the Great Hyperspace War. In a twisted perversion of Force Immortality, his spirit was trapped within the confines of his tomb in the Valley of the Dark Lords on Korriban, long after his death.

About one millennium after his death, Marka's spirit was summoned from the grave using a pair of Sith talismans and crowned Exar Kun as the new Dark Lord, and Ulic Qel-Droma as Kun's apprentice, all in an attempt to restore the lost empire of a thousand years prior. The Great Sith War devastated the galaxy once again, but the Sith Empire was not restored.

Ragnos's spirit dwelt in his tomb until once again returning from beyond the grave, this time summoned by a Sith cult known as the Disciples of Ragnos whose leader was Tavion Axmis, Desann's student.

Tavion used an ancient scepter made by Ragnos to drain residual Force energy and use it to empower her followers. She then planned to use the collected energy to resurrect Ragnos. When Jaden Korr entered the tomb, intending to stop Tavion, she managed to resurrect Ragnos by allowing his spirit to possess her body, but was nevertheless defeated by Jaden. Ragnos's ghost was forced back into his sarcophagus, screaming out a dark promise that he would return.

Marka Ragnos didn't wield a lightsaber, the common weapon of the Sith Lords and the Jedi Knights. He wielded a Sith sword, consisting of a metal blade enhanced by Sith sorcery, a weapon of the primitive Sith race. He could hide the sword inside his scepter. Apparently only he knew of its hiding place, as Tavion did not draw it until she was possessed, despite its power.

Extra Descriptions # 1: Provided from the Explore the Chronicles of the Old Republic by SW Databank -

Meanwhile, on the far side of the galaxy, the Sith Empire has grown powerful through centuries of dark Force wielding and magic and the hundred-year rule of the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, MARKA RAGNOS. The ruler's death leads to a power vacuum, and two leaders emerge at Ragnos' grave on the mausoleum planet of Korriban.

Extra Descriptions # 2: TOTJ: Golden Age of the Sith written by Kevin Anderson on SW Databank -

The battle is only stopped by the apperance of the spirit of Marka Ragnos, the former Dark Lord of the Sith. Ragnos speaks, reminding them of their past and telling them that the future of the Sith Empire hangs in the balance of who rules the Empire next: the Empire will either thrive or it will lost. Ragnos passes into the Dark Side of the Force, with the ripples in the Force from his passing so strong, they awaken Odan-Urr from his dreams, light years away in Cinnagar .

Importance of this:

Marka Ragnos is not the strongest Sith Lord. That rank, as of right now, belongs to Darth Sidious. However, he is the strongest Ancient Sith in existence. Through him, the Sith Empire prospered. With his death, they fell.

However, does this mean Marka Ragnos is the 2nd most powerful Sith Lord? Well with future Sith Lords who were able to master the teachings of Ragnos and his Golden Age of Sith to a very high extremity, such as Revan and Bane, we cannot say Ragnos is the 2nd most powerful.

One thing can be determined though. Ragnos is one of THE most powerful Sith Lords ever.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
[B]Marka Ragnos: Descriptions on the legendary Dark Lord

By Prodigal Knight

Biography: Provided from Wookiepedia -

Extra Descriptions # 1: Provided from the Explore the Chronicles of the Old Republic by SW Databank -

Extra Descriptions # 2: TOTJ: Golden Age of the Sith written by Kevin Anderson on SW Databank -

Importance of this:

Marka Ragnos is not the strongest Sith Lord. That rank, as of right now, belongs to Darth Sidious. However, he is the strongest Ancient Sith in existence. Through him, the Sith Empire prospered. With his death, they fell.

Notice how my argument was always "Ragnos was the most powerful ancient sith", so I don't know why you're bringing this up now.

[quote]However, does this mean Marka Ragnos is the 2nd most powerful Sith Lord? Well with future Sith Lords who were able to master the teachings of Ragnos and his Golden Age of Sith to a very high extremity, such as Revan and Bane, we cannot say Ragnos is the 2nd most powerful.

One thing can be determined though. Ragnos is one of THE most powerful Sith Lords ever. [/B]

I've already said all this lol. And it's likely he was second only to Sidious, which we can argue.

Notice how my argument was always "Ragnos was the most powerful ancient sith", so I don't know why you're bringing this up now.

Because you never provided a shred of evidence. I had to go physically find all this information and compile it together.

I've already said all this lol.

Yes, you were not lying. However, you didn't specify where I could find this information. It was not in the comic book (it didn't look like it) so I found it in the Databank.

And it's likely he was second only to Sidious, which we can argue.

One could argue that. Though Revan and Bane provide just as good cases.

Nevertheless, Kun, Revan, and probably Vader & Bane > Ragnos.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Nevertheless, Kun, Revan, and probably Vader & Bane > Ragnos.

Kun? He had a year to study ancient sith knowledge. I would even rank Nadd higher than him because Nadd studied from Sadow himself. Vader? Unlikely because Sidious wouldn't have taught him everything and his abilities were severely limited. Bane? Had a strong connection to the darkside but learned everything from Revan. The only candidate that is possible would be Revan. However, I would give the quality of knowledge and overall knowledge base to Ragnos.

Kun? He had a year to study ancient sith knowledge. I would even rank Nadd higher than him because Nadd studied from Sadow himself. Vader? Unlikely because Sidious wouldn't have taught him everything and his abilities were severely limited. Bane? Had a strong connection to the darkside but learned everything from Revan. The only candidate that is possible would be Revan. However, I would give the quality of knowledge and overall knowledge base to Ragnos.

I take it you have never seen Advent's Kun feats page, etc. Kun is extremely powerful DS.

Bane, please, with just some training from Revan, he almost owned the ass of the best swordsmen of Kaan's Sith Order.

Vader, have you ever seen some of jollyjim's Vader pics? Vader going all out has been proven to be better than Bane.

Revan, even you DS, can't deny he's better than Ragnos.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
I take it you have never seen Advent's Kun feats page, etc. Kun is extremely powerful DS.

Bane, please, with just some training from Revan, he almost owned the ass of the best swordsmen of Kaan's Sith Order.

Vader, have you ever seen some of jollyjim's Vader pics? Vader going all out has been proven to be better than Bane.

Revan, even you DS, can't deny he's better than Ragnos. [/B]

I see your opinion is steadfast. Know that you are sounding yourself to be a Ragnos Fanboy by putting him above the likes of the strongest Sith in existence, even over Revan!

Originally posted by General Kenobl
I see your opinion is steadfast. Know that you are sounding yourself to be a Ragnos Fanboy by putting him above the likes of the strongest Sith in existence, even over Revan!

I am a Ragnos and a Revan fan. I consider Revan's destiny to be the greatest out of any sith/Jedi with the exception of Luke, and I consider him to be the most powerful Jedi next to Luke(and POSSIBLY Yoda), and to be the most powerful Sith next to Sidious and Ragnos. However, even without evidence of what Ragnos actually did while alive, he was the most powerful ancient sith, and he was always the spokesman for the ancient sith spirits, so I would definitely put him right under DE Sidious and above Revan. At any rate, I can justify their power to some extent.

Don't you think him being the Spokesman for the Ancients have to do with the fact that he might be wise and charismatic, and able to influence future generations of the Sith?

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Don't you think him being the Spokesman for the Ancients have to do with the fact that he might be wise and charismatic, and able to influence future generations of the Sith?

Oh totally, and the ancient sith did NOT operate on the most powerful being the leader. Oh wait.

Hahahaha

Originally posted by General Kenobl
I take it you have never seen Advent's Kun feats page, etc. Kun is extremely powerful DS.

Bane

Vader, have you ever seen some of jollyjim's Vader pics? Vader going all out has been proven to be better than Bane.

Revan, even you DS, can't deny he's better than Ragnos.

Originally posted by Faunus
Who learned everything he knew from Sadow's notes. . .

Who learned everything that set him apart from a Holocron. . .

Is this a joke?

How? Everything he knew, everything that made him what he was, came from the era of the Ancient Sith. You know, the Golden Age of the Sith which saw Ragnos as its head? Please.

What you learn is not the same as you natural power, Faunus. One's own natural abilities can be further augmented by the knowledge they maintain, but one's own natural potential is something else. Isn't it also possible people could later refine the knowledge they'd received? Kun is, afterall, shown as quite a bit more powerful than any of his forbears.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
What you learn is not the same as you natural power, Faunus. One's own natural abilities can be further augmented by the knowledge they maintain, but one's own natural potential is something else. Isn't it also possible people could later refine the knowledge they'd received? Kun is, afterall, shown as quite a bit more powerful than any of his forbears.

Really? How? What has he done to appear stronger than his forebears? Oh that's right nothing, because he only had the teachings of Sadow. Revan had REAL ancient sith teachings, ergo more of a knowledge base. And how do you know Kun's natural abilities surpass any of the ancient sith, ESPECIALLY Ragnos? Ragnos RULED the greatest era of the sith with an IRON hand for MORE than a century. In the sith philosophy that is UNHEARD OF. I'm sorry that you dislike the ancient sith and KOTOR lightsnake, but everything points to Ragnos being second only to DE Sidious.

Tell it to Adas....

Really? How? What has he done to appear stronger than his forebears? Oh that's right nothing, because he only had the teachings of Sadow. Revan had REAL ancient sith teachings, ergo more of a knowledge base. And how do you know Kun's natural abilities surpass any of the ancient sith, ESPECIALLY Ragnos? Ragnos RULED the greatest era of the sith with an IRON hand for MORE than a century. In the sith philosophy that is UNHEARD OF. I'm sorry that you dislike the ancient sith and KOTOR lightsnake, but everything points to Ragnos being second only to DE Sidious.

Shut up DS. When one learns something, it does not mean they cannot refine this. Jedi learn the art of swordfighting styles, but they are able to refine and master their techniques. Same thing works with mastery of the Force. Kun is able to use Sadow's teaching to a very high magnitude.

@ Faunus

Yes, I'm well aware all those people learned from holocrons or Ancient spirits themselves (in case of Vader, he learned from Sidious).

I typed up the Ragnos Descriptions several posts back. I know his power. And comparing this power to the likes of Revan, Bane, Vader, and Kun, I say that he's not the #2.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Shut up DS. When one learns something, it does not mean they cannot refine this. Jedi learn the art of swordfighting styles, but they are able to refine and master their techniques. Same thing works with mastery of the Force. Kun is able to use Sadow's teaching to a very high magnitude.

@ Faunus

Yes, I'm well aware all those people learned from holocrons or Ancient spirits themselves (in case of Vader, he learned from Sidious).

I typed up the Ragnos Descriptions several posts back. I know his power. And comparing this power to the likes of Revan, Bane, Vader, and Kun, I say that he's not the #2.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Tell it to Adas....

Hey jackass, show me an instance where someone took the teachings of the ancient sith, and refined it. And anyone BUT Sidious. Otherwise, I rest my case.

You calling me a jackass? Look who is talking.

My bad, refining is not the best term. What I mean is when Sith Lords like Revan learned the Ancient Sith techniques, they mastered it to a very high magnitude. I say Revan's mastery of these Dark Side techniques > Ragnos's mastery of the Sith powers.

You usually have to back up your opinion. I'm pretty sure I can back up mine and Faunus can back up his.

I am pretty sure you know Revan's and other Sith Lord's feats and powers.