Captain America vs. Wolverine (Twist)

Originally posted by Jyppe
I'm giving this to Captain America. He's more skilled of the 2 IMO. He doesn't have fancy healing factor, he doesn't need one. He has fared well without one.

Cap wins 7/10.

meh i stand by what i said before...

captain america isn't more skilled than wolverine per say.. i've not seen anything that caps done which wolverine hasn't duplicated in his own way...

none of cap's feats of skill are more complex than wolverine's or outside his capability to do.
I feel the main problem lies in the fact that wolverine's comfort zone is based in his ability to take punishment to fight more effeciently...

example: he takes silver samurai's sword to the gut, to draw him in and lop off his arm.
he lets roughouse hit him so his healing factor can compensate for other damage he's taken and plans to come back at roughouse when roughouse thinks he has wolvie on the ropes...
in weapon x, he lets 2 bounty hunters shoot him and plays dead untell they get close enough for him to strike...

personally, i think wolverine fights lazy because he knows he can afford to.
cap's more used to fighting and making every move count offensively as well as defensively...

like stated earlier, if wolverine had like a few months to refamiliarize himself with fighting with caution then this could go either way.... but because he doesn't have that luxury cap pounds him here.

Originally posted by Soljer
Nope.

🙂.

actually.. yep would be the answer there...

cap was in a block of ice for decades.. wolverine on the other hand has been in wars, the cia, the cis, the csis, interpol, sheild, team x, samurai blood feuds, air force mission, and acting as a free agent for nearly 100 years nonstop. His experience seems to trump captain america's....

though both have had an overwhelmingly prolific career as superheroes....

Originally posted by jinzin
actually.. yep would be the answer there...

cap was in a block of ice for decades.. wolverine on the other hand has been in wars, the cia, the cis, the csis, interpol, sheild, team x, samurai blood feuds, air force mission, and acting as a free agent for nearly 100 years nonstop. His experience seems to trump captain america's....

though both have had an overwhelmingly prolific career as superheroes....

I wasn't referring to experience. Merely skill.

Wolverine is skilled. Nearly as much as captain america, I'll admit.

But I wouldn't say that Logan is moreso.

Originally posted by Soljer
I wasn't referring to experience. Merely skill.

Wolverine is skilled. Nearly as much as captain america, I'll admit.

But I wouldn't say that Logan is moreso.

hmmmm.. I'm not sure.. i mean I suppose it's all relative...

I think that wolverine just knows more about trickery and mysticism than cap would...

but their skills are definitely on par for the most part.

Captain America.

Originally posted by jinzin
hmmmm.. I'm not sure.. i mean I suppose it's all relative...

I think that wolverine just knows more about trickery and mysticism than cap would...

but their skills are definitely on par for the most part.

On par? Certainly. I'd hope that you recognize me as one of the few on the board trying to avoid the backlash against wolverine. I'm one of the last people to downplay his skill. In fact, I can think of very few people that could compare to the likes of Captain America and Wolverine in comics. Besides the likes of Gamora, that is. Karnak? Maybe. Iron Fist? Perhaps. Daredevil? Not quite, but close.

But that's really just about it.

Though, I will say that, while Wolverine has more experience period, the majority of said (on panel) experience is 'snikt, RAWR,' rather than the gentle finesse that we see Cap use every damned issue.

I think that's why so many people take issue with Wolverine being almost the most skilled martial artist on Marvel Earth. The majority of his appearances are, simply, 'snikt, RAWR.'

😬.

Disclaimer: let me again say that I'm not trying to take anything away from Logan with that statement. I know he has plenty of skill feats, I know that he IS on Cap's level. I'm just trying to clarify for myself, and for others on the forum the reasoning behind people's backlash beyond the whole excessive fanboy thing (that has, for the most part, passed.)

I say to the Wolverine haters of the forum...

Move on! Start hating Storm, the Hulk, or Apocalypse. They are much more deserving considering the fanboys we have raging through the forums.

Much more deserving. 🙂.

😛.

Under these stipulations I go with Cap. Under Normal abilities I go with Logan.

Originally posted by Soljer
On par? Certainly. I'd hope that you recognize me as one of the few on the board trying to avoid the backlash against wolverine.

oh i certainly do, and I appreciate the effort; you see with eyes unclouded by hate my friend....

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm one of the last people to downplay his skill. In fact, I can think of very few people that could compare to the likes of Captain America and Wolverine in comics. Besides the likes of Gamora, that is. Karnak? Maybe. Iron Fist? Perhaps. Daredevil? Not quite, but close.

But that's really just about it.

Though, I will say that, while Wolverine has more experience period, the majority of said (on panel) experience is 'snikt, RAWR,' rather than the gentle finesse that we see Cap use every damned issue.

I think that's why so many people take issue with Wolverine being almost the most skilled martial artist on Marvel Earth. The majority of his appearances are, simply, 'snikt, RAWR.'

😂 tis true!

Originally posted by Soljer
Disclaimer: let me again say that I'm not trying to take anything away from Logan with that statement. I know he has plenty of skill feats, I know that he IS on Cap's level. I'm just trying to clarify for myself, and for others on the forum the reasoning behind people's backlash beyond the whole excessive fanboy thing (that has, for the most part, passed.)

I say to the Wolverine haters of the forum...

Move on! Start hating Storm, the Hulk, or Apocalypse. They are much more deserving considering the fanboys we have raging through the forums.

Much more deserving. 🙂.

😛.

hey at least people are starting to see that capt can not take a normal wolverine the majority.

Originally posted by capt it up
hey at least people are starting to see that capt can not take a normal wolverine the majority.

Very few people believe that. 😬.

Originally posted by Soljer
Very few people believe that. 😬.

in this match up logan is very down graded to make the fight even.

Originally posted by capt it up
hey at least people are starting to see that capt can not take a normal wolverine the majority.

Oh, really.

Spanking Wolverine's ass like a 10-year old child. Against Cap, it's not even a competition. It's like watching a sixth-grader playing chess against a master - it's a slaughter.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Oh, really.

Spanking Wolverine's ass like a 10-year old child. Against Cap, it's not even a competition. It's like watching a sixth-grader playing chess against a master - it's a slaughter.

Thats Ultimate Cap, for the record.

Originally posted by capt it up
well thats sad. it wierd that people will say capt wins 6/10 here, but then in a normal fight say capt wins 7/10 lol

in this match up logan is very down graded to make the fight even.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Oh, really.

Spanking Wolverine's ass like a 10-year old child. Against Cap, it's not even a competition. It's like watching a sixth-grader playing chess against a master - it's a slaughter.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Oh, really.

Spanking Wolverine's ass like a 10-year old child. Against Cap, it's not even a competition. It's like watching a sixth-grader playing chess against a master - it's a slaughter.

ulitmate wolverine is crappy he would not last more then a few seconds vs 616.

man your knowledge of comics is skrewed up. Trying to use ulitmate comics in a 616 debate lol

Originally posted by jinzin
actually.. yep would be the answer there...

cap was in a block of ice for decades.. wolverine on the other hand has been in wars, the cia, the cis, the csis, interpol, sheild, team x, samurai blood feuds, air force mission, and acting as a free agent for nearly 100 years nonstop. His experience seems to trump captain america's....

Yeah, but Cap was kicking that block of ice's ass

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Yeah, but Cap was kicking that block of ice's ass

You're god damned right he was.

but the ice still gave him hard nipples

so ice 1/10

Originally posted by capt it up
lol the uilitmate capt and wolverine. ulitmate capt is a whole differnet character.

ulitmate wolverine is crappy he would not last more then a few seconds vs 616.

man your knowledge of comics is skrewed up. Trying to use ulitmate comics in a 616 debate lol

So that's your response? Boy, what a come-back...

At least I've shown some proof, while all you have been doing is shooting off your big mouth...

Even Jinzin agrees with me:

"I feel the main problem lies in the fact that wolverine's comfort zone is based in his ability to take punishment to fight more effeciently...

example: he takes silver samurai's sword to the gut, to draw him in and lop off his arm.
he lets roughouse hit him so his healing factor can compensate for other damage he's taken and plans to come back at roughouse when roughouse thinks he has wolvie on the ropes...
in weapon x, he lets 2 bounty hunters shoot him and plays dead untell they get close enough for him to strike...

personally, i think wolverine fights lazy because he knows he can afford to.
cap's more used to fighting and making every move count offensively as well as defensively...

like stated earlier, if wolverine had like a few months to refamiliarize himself with fighting with caution then this could go either way.... but because he doesn't have that luxury cap pounds him here."

Wolverine goes down even harder than you in this argument.

Captain America Wins!