Originally posted by Dreampanther
So that's your response? Boy, what a come-back...At least I've shown some proof, while all you have been doing is shooting off your big mouth...
Also I have shown you prove all ready, but I will show it again.
MAN AND WOLF PART 3 of 6 CAPTAIN AMERICA issue 404: Wolverine and Captain American battle with Wolverine as the victor.
At least my prove is not an alternate universe.
My proof>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yours
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Even Jinzin agrees with me:
Not real fair to strip one character of his powers and send him into battle with another with out giving him time. Also I assume he was given enough time to be use to his abilities. Also the whole thread is based off fighting skills in which I feel logan is more skilled not to mention has far more experience.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Wolverine goes down even harder than you in this argument.
Mine was from the real marvel universe.
Originally posted by capt it upNot real fair to strip one character of his powers and send him into battle with another with out giving him time. Also I assume he was given enough time to be use to his abilities. Also the whole thread is based poff fighting skills in which I feel logan is more skilled not to mention has far more experience.
Oh, not fair? You are now crying about not fair? Shame, because everybody here agrees that Wolverine will get his ass kicked by Cap undere THESE circumstances, you are now crying about NOT FAIR?
Like I said - your debating skills keep on astounding me.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Oh, not fair? You are now crying about not fair? Shame, because everybody here agrees that Wolverine will get his ass kicked by Cap undere THESE circumstances, you are now crying about NOT FAIR?Like I said - your debating skills keep on astounding me.
look below me what metal max said. This is a debate on who more skilled in which many people have agree that logan is in fact the more skilled.
I bet you think with all there powers capt takes wolverine right? also those scann were mighty smart of you to post. you know it funny when people post scanns Of issues they have never read lol
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why would that matter anyway? This is all just depends on who the better fighter is.
Originally posted by capt it up
look below me what metal max said. This is a debate on who more skilled in which many people have agree that logan is in fact the more skilled.I bet you think with all there powers capt takes wolverine right? also those scann were mighty smart of you to post. you know it funny when people post scanns Of issues they have never read lol
I posted the scans to motivate an argument - obviously something you have never heard of. I used them to show that while Wolverine may be (and is - I never argued this fact) one of the most skilled fighters in your REAL MARVEL UNIVERSE, Cap makes him look like a child when it comes to tactics, strategy - outwitting your oppononent, utilising every single possible means to overcome his opponent.
Your Wolverine is a brawler, pure and simple - cannon-fodder. Or in this case, Captain-fodder.
Wolverine is out-classed, and he will be out-witted, taken by surprise by some trick of Cap, and once off-balance, he will be vulnerable - and beaten.
Deadpool played Wolverine like the thoughtless berserker, the walk-in-swinging brawler he is, a man who forgets all his training the moment his opponent presses his buttons. He played Wolverine like a fool, and he isn't even close to the strategist or tactician Cap is.
It's typical - you, like Wolverine, think it's all in your muscles. Which is why Wolverine always gets beaten.
Cap, on the other hand, knows that the fight is won in the head - and that is why he has won this fight before it even started.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
I posted the scans to motivate an argument - obviously something you have never heard of. I used them to show that while Wolverine may be (and is - I never argued this fact) one of the most skilled fighters in your REAL MARVEL UNIVERSE, Cap makes him look like a child when it comes to tactics, strategy - outwitting your oppononent, utilising every single possible means to overcome his opponent.Your Wolverine is a brawler, pure and simple - cannon-fodder. Or in this case, Captain-fodder.
Wolverine is out-classed, and he will be out-witted, taken by surprise by some trick of Cap, and once off-balance, he will be vulnerable - and beaten.
Deadpool played Wolverine like the thoughtless berserker, the walk-in-swinging brawler he is, a man who forgets all his training the moment his opponent presses his buttons. He played Wolverine like a fool, and he isn't even close to the strategist or tactician Cap is.
It's typical - you, like Wolverine, think it's all in your muscles. Which is why Wolverine always gets beaten.
Cap, on the other hand, knows that the fight is won in the head - and that is why he has won this fight before it even started.
... *sigh*
Ultimate Captain America beating Ultimate Wolverine is about as relevant to this fight as me beating a random guy who's name happens to be Michael Jordan in a game of 21 would be in deciding if I could beat the real Michael Jordan... The only thing you managed to prove with that scan is that you are too stupid to know the difference between Ultimate Marvel and 616 Marvel. Congratulations champ, would you care to say Movie Heman = Comic Heman while your at it?
Deadpool didn't sucker Wolverine into anything. Anyone with even the slightest experience with reading Deadpool can tell you he has never displayed enough forethought to even hint that would be capable of that. Randomness is a staple of Deadpool's character; every thing he does, he does by the seat of his pants. Would you like me to tell you what did happen? It was trash talking in response to Wolverine's "foot in mouth" comment. "What? Deadpool? Trash talking?" you stutter? I know, shocking isn't it. Since when is Deadpool known for trash talking? 🙄
Maybe you should stick to reading the cartoons in the Saturday morning paper, they seem like they'd be more in your ball park.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
...Deadpool didn't sucker Wolverine into anything. Anyone with even the slightest experience with reading Deadpool can tell you he has never displayed enough forethought to even hint that would be capable of that. Would you like me to tell you what did happen? It was trash talking in response to Wolverine's "foot in mouth" comment. "What? Deadpool? Trash talking?" you stutter? I know, shocking isn't it. Since when is Deadpool known for trash talking? 🙄
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Deadpool did something very similar to that with the Hulk as well actually. That would be in the "real" 616 marvel as well.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Deadpool didn't sucker Wolverine into anything. Anyone with even the slightest experience with reading Deadpool can tell you he has never displayed enough forethought to even hint that would be capable of that. Would you like me to tell you what did happen? It was trash talking in response to Wolverine's "foot in mouth" comment. "What? Deadpool? Trash talking?" you stutter? I know, shocking isn't it. Since when is Deadpool known for trash talking? 🙄
See, I came into this thread with a good mood, and you had to ruin it. 😬
It wasn't trash talking. Sure, Deadpool mentions that he suckered him into something right after the boot comment, but then theres a clear pause in between comments so Wolverine would get into position for said 'suckering', BEFORE he says what he's been suckered for.
A pause? That would require strategy and waiting
Strategy and waiting? That would require forethought
Forethought? That would mean it wasn't trash talk!
Not trash talk? That would mean Srank was wrong and dangerously close to being a blind fanboy! scared
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
See, I came into this thread with a good mood, and you had to ruin it. 😬It wasn't trash talking. Sure, Deadpool mentions that he suckered him into something right after the boot comment, but then theres a clear pause in between comments so Wolverine would get into position for said 'suckering', BEFORE he says what he's been suckered for.
A pause? That would require strategy and waiting
Strategy and waiting? That would require forethought
Forethought? That would mean it wasn't trash talk!
Not trash talk? That would mean Srank was wrong and dangerously close to being a blind fanboy! scared
A pause... you mean the transition between panels? 😕
Transition between panels = master plan! Of course! 🙄
Wolverine dropped kicked DP, and DP recovered faster then expected (maybe he rolled with the kick) and then he took advantage of Wolverine being in a postion where he couldn't defend and skewered him. How much forethough is involved in that?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... *sigh*Ultimate Captain America beating Ultimate Wolverine is about as relevant to this fight as me beating a random guy who's name happens to be Michael Jordan in a game of 21 would be in deciding if I could beat the real Michael Joran... The only thing you managed to prove with that scan is that you are too stupid to know the difference between Ultimate Marvel and 616 Marvel. Congratulations champ, would you care to say Movie Heman = Comic Heman while your at it?
Deadpool didn't sucker Wolverine into anything. Anyone with even the slightest experience with reading Deadpool can tell you he has never displayed enough forethought to even hint that would be capable of that. Would you like me to tell you what did happen? It was trash talking in response to Wolverine's "foot in mouth" comment. "What? Deadpool? Trash talking?" you stutter? I know, shocking isn't it. Since when is Deadpool known for trash talking? 🙄
Maybe you should stick to reading the cartoons in the Saturday morning paper, they seem like they'd be more in your ball park.
Ha ha ha ha - thanks - I actually needed that! You know, it's funny, but for a while thought you guys could debate, or form a coherent argument - but instead, like usual, you devolved to insults.
I have to thank you - I keep on expecting at least high-school level debates, in other words coherent arguments, rather than insults - but once again, you've brought me firmly back to earth, reminding me where I am, who I'm dealing with and what the subject matter is.
No wonder Wolverine fanboys have the worst reputation on these boards.
So, let me just point out a few features in your statements.
"Deadpool didn't sucker Wolverine into anything. Anyone with even the slightest experience with reading Deadpool can tell you he has never displayed enough forethought to even hint that would be capable of that. Would you like me to tell you what did happen? It was trash talking in response to Wolverine's "foot in mouth" comment. "What? Deadpool? Trash talking?" you stutter? I know, shocking isn't it. Since when is Deadpool known for trash talking? 🙄 "
OK - so now you are even arguing with the comics themselves? So, when it shows on panel IN A WOLVERINE COMIC that Deadpool suckers Wolverine, and Deadpool even explains how he suckered Wolverine - Deadpool is a liar? The writers are liars? The entire Marvel univers are liars?
But you're never wrong, of course. Never, ever, ever. Only the writers are wrong. Only the Marvel universe is wrong.
If you had checked the fight with Hulk, you would have seen Deadpool doing the same to Hulk, manoevering him into a position where he eventually impales himself - same as he did to Wolverine.
But no, the comics are wrong.
Like I said - thanks! I needed that!
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... *sigh*Ultimate Captain America beating Ultimate Wolverine is about as relevant to this fight as me beating a random guy who's name happens to be Michael Jordan in a game of 21 would be in deciding if I could beat the real Michael Jordan... The only thing you managed to prove with that scan is that you are too stupid to know the difference between Ultimate Marvel and 616 Marvel. Congratulations champ, would you care to say Movie Heman = Comic Heman while your at it?
Deadpool didn't sucker Wolverine into anything. Anyone with even the slightest experience with reading Deadpool can tell you he has never displayed enough forethought to even hint that would be capable of that. Randomness is a staple of Deadpool's character; every thing he does, he does by the seat of his pants. Would you like me to tell you what did happen? It was trash talking in response to Wolverine's "foot in mouth" comment. "What? Deadpool? Trash talking?" you stutter? I know, shocking isn't it. Since when is Deadpool known for trash talking? 🙄
Maybe you should stick to reading the cartoons in the Saturday morning paper, they seem like they'd be more in your ball park.
not to mention the fact that these events would have never taken place if wolverine were 100%
hell the guy lands 3 hits on pool before that even happened..
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Ha ha ha ha - thanks - I actually needed that! You know, it's funny, but for a while thought you guys could debate, or form a coherent argument - but instead, like usual, you devolved to insults.I have to thank you - I keep on expecting at least high-school level debates, in other words coherent arguments, rather than insults - but once again, you've brought me firmly back to earth, reminding me where I am, who I'm dealing with and what the subject matter is.
No wonder Wolverine fanboys have the worst reputation on these boards.
So, let me just point out a few features in your statements.
"Deadpool didn't sucker Wolverine into anything. Anyone with even the slightest experience with reading Deadpool can tell you he has never displayed enough forethought to even hint that would be capable of that. Would you like me to tell you what did happen? It was trash talking in response to Wolverine's "foot in mouth" comment. "What? Deadpool? Trash talking?" you stutter? I know, shocking isn't it. Since when is Deadpool known for trash talking? 🙄 "
OK - so now you are even arguing with the comics themselves? So, when it shows on panel IN A WOLVERINE COMIC that Deadpool suckers Wolverine, and Deadpool even explains how he suckered Wolverine - Deadpool is a liar? The writers are liars? The entire Marvel univers are liars?
But you're never wrong, of course. Never, ever, ever. Only the writers are wrong. Only the Marvel universe is wrong.
If you had checked the fight with Hulk, you would have seen Deadpool doing the same to Hulk, manoevering him into a position where he eventually impales himself - same as he did to Wolverine.
But no, the comics are wrong.
Like I said - thanks! I needed that!
What do you except champ? You come into a debate decided to uses something that is, at the very best, very loosely connected to the subject matter to argue your point... and then you decided to insult someone in your rebuttal for pointing it out? What do you think would happen if you did the same thing in a high-school debate? The person who had to make a rebuttal towards what you said would tare you a new one.
Now, lets get the Hulk thing out of the way. Actually I'm glade you guys brought this up because it is almost the exact same thing as the Wolverine example, which really helps me out. Heres what happened. Hulk knocked Deadpool into a storefront window and the jumped after him. Deadpool positions the broken sign post so that Hulk will land on it, and Hulk being midair an unable to adjust his trajectory gets skewered. Much like the Wolverine case, Deadpool is flying by the seat of his pants and much like the Wolverine incident it only worked because the person Deadpool was fighting was midair when Deadpool went into action.
Deadpool's entire comment stemmed form Wolverine saying his "foot in mouth comment." It was Deadpool's fabled "quick wit" reacting to what Wolverine said, nothing more and nothing less. It was trash talking, how anyone with a passing familiarity with the character could miss that is beyond me. It is about the writers or characters being liars, it's about understanding the characters. Deadpool out witted Wolverine in the same vien as he said he was lord of the dance, and the worlds best lover. He talks out of his ass, IT'S PART OF HIS CHARACTER!
If you can argue with anything I said then please do, but come up with something better then "What! What! So Deadpool is liar now?!" It makes it seem like you've never even glanced at a Deadpool comic.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A pause... you mean the transition between panels? 😕Transition between panels = master plan! Of course! 🙄
Wolverine dropped kicked DP, and DP recovered faster then expected (maybe he rolled with the kick) and then he took advantage of Wolverine being in a postion where he couldn't defend and skewered him. How much forethough is involved in that?
I didn't say it was a masterplan. But it WAS a plan
Why would they show the break between bubbles (implying that there is a break in Deadpool's talking) for any reason but to build up suspense?
It wasn't a snappy comeback.
It wasn't trashtalking.
Deadpool SAID he suckered Wolverine, then paused for suspense, and pointed out specifically HOW he suckered him when Wolverine was in position.
It wasn't a master plan. But it wasn't trash talking.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Deadpool's entire comment stemmed form Wolverine saying his "foot in mouth comment." It was Deadpool's fabled "quick wit" reacting to what Wolverine said, nothing more and nothing less. It was trash talking, how anyone with a passing familiarity with the character could miss that is beyond me. It is about the writers or characters being liars, it's about understanding the characters. Deadpool out witted Wolverine in the same vain as he said he was lord of the dance, and the worlds best lover. He talks out of his ass, IT'S HIS CHARACTER!
Sure. Like I said:
You are right, the entire Marvel universe is wrong, and the fact that Deadpool has done it at least twice, on panel, means nothing.