Midnighter vs Daredevil

Originally posted by Soljer
I don't think Midnighter would HAVE to counter Daredevils' radar sense. That's not how the 'combat scenario' works. He views every possible move, and then every possible counter, and then every possible counter to every possible counter, and then....

The fact that Daredevil uses a radar sense doesn't come into play.

Especially when you consider that the Midnighter is quite a bit faster and stronger than Matt.

The only reason I rolled my eyes is because, honestly, I've seen you give a heavy favoritism to Daredevil on more than one occasion.

😬. As far as the actual fight goes, Midnighter should be the clear winner.

Eh, you can believe that if you want. I only give Daredevil the win when I believe he deserves it.

But seriously though, convince me here. I'm not seeing how Midnighter could account for, even with his millions of calculations, DD's radar sense when he doesn't even know he has one. It would throw off each and every counter and counter-counter that Midnighter originally came up with.

I just want to understand how Midnighter would be prepared for that.

And could you provide me with some comic scans to show Midnighter's speed?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm not seeing how Midnighter could account for, even with his millions of calculations, DD's radar sense when he doesn't even know he has one. It would throw off each and every counter and counter-counter that Midnighter originally came up with.

thats exactly what i was getting at

how could Midnighter develop a counter for a counter, when that counter itself, can be countered?

do we have an endless paradox of counters when these two meet?

on the other hand, Physically, how up thier is midnighter? and is he a pertty rediculous h2h guy? Becuase he really needs to be here

Originally posted by Soljer
I don't think Midnighter would HAVE to counter Daredevils' radar sense. That's not how the 'combat scenario' works. He views every possible move, and then every possible counter, and then every possible counter to every possible counter, and then....

The fact that Daredevil uses a radar sense doesn't come into play.

Especially when you consider that the Midnighter is quite a bit faster and stronger than Matt.

The only reason I rolled my eyes is because, honestly, I've seen you give a heavy favoritism to Daredevil on more than one occasion.

😬. As far as the actual fight goes, Midnighter should be the clear winner.

Metalmanx has a point though

In MN'er's calculations and combat scenerios, he would not have accounted for DD's virtual pre-cog, equating to a heavy increase in combat reflexes then what MN'er would have expected.

Of course, after MN'er DOES see the increase in combat reflexes, he'll simply come up with NEW combat scenerios.

Midnighter 9/10

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Eh, you can believe that if you want. I only give Daredevil the win when I believe he deserves it.

But seriously though, convince me here. I'm not seeing how Midnighter could account for, even with his millions of calculations, DD's radar sense when he doesn't even know he has one. It would throw off each and every counter and counter-counter that Midnighter originally came up with.

I just want to understand how Midnighter would be prepared for that.

And could you provide me with some comic scans to show Midnighter's speed?

Originally posted by NiñoAraña
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ah

well

i guess i go back to my original ponit

if midnighter is THAT fast
perty consistantly, then this match is a bit lopsided

that kind of speed would give spidey a hard time

my midnighter knoweldge is a bit low, but his bio would imply that he is largelry

very largely physically superior in this case

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Metalmanx has a point though

In MN'er's calculations and combat scenerios, he would not have accounted for DD's virtual pre-cog, equating to a heavy increase in combat reflexes then what MN'er would have expected.

Of course, after MN'er DOES see the increase in combat reflexes, he'll simply come up with NEW combat scenerios.

Midnighter 9/10

Isn't it possible that before MN'er gets a chance to come up with new combat scenarios, DD could put him down? I'm being serious. I mean, he comes at DD with a strategy, and it's COMPLETELY off. DD then lands several or so devastating blows since MN'er can't account for the radar sense yet. I mean, isn't it possible? It sounds like the most logical thing for me.

Besides, how do you counter DD's radar sense?

To NinoArana: That speed is impressive, I won't lie. Regardless, it's unknown as to how DD can handle that speed. I mean, he does REGULARLY bat away bullets with his billy-clubs. I'm just saying.

Right now I'd go so far as to say 5/10 for each.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Eh, you can believe that if you want. I only give Daredevil the win when I believe he deserves it.

But seriously though, convince me here. I'm not seeing how Midnighter could account for, even with his millions of calculations, DD's radar sense when he doesn't even know he has one. It would throw off each and every counter and counter-counter that Midnighter originally came up with.

I just want to understand how Midnighter would be prepared for that.

And could you provide me with some comic scans to show Midnighter's speed?

He needn't take into account the radar sense. As spunky said, he could take it into account as increased combat reflexes (and run the calculations DURING combat itself) for the same end result.

The counter-by-counter calculation need not take into account radar sense. It's more of "he attacks, I block, I attack, he blocks, I jump, he jumps, I block, he blocks, I attack, I put my fist through his skull."

In a million different variations. Including some where Daredevil may or may not be faster than Midnighter himself, and some where Daredevil may or may not be stronger, and some where Daredevil turns into a fifty foot pink bunny rabbit.

😐.

Seriously though, Midnighter 9/10.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Isn't it possible that before MN'er gets a chance to come up with new combat scenarios, DD could put him down? I'm being serious.

Simply?

No.

😐.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Isn't it possible that before MN'er gets a chance to come up with new combat scenarios, DD could put him down? I'm being serious. I mean, he comes at DD with a strategy, and it's COMPLETELY off. DD then lands several or so devastating blows since MN'er can't account for the radar sense yet. I mean, isn't it possible? It sounds like the most logical thing for me.

Besides, how do you counter DD's radar sense?

To NinoArana: That speed is impressive, I won't lie. Regardless, it's unknown as to how DD can handle that speed. I mean, he does REGULARLY bat away bullets with his billy-clubs. I'm just saying.

Right now I'd go so far as to say 5/10 for each.

I agree

the only reason im a bit unsure is becuase im not sure the extent of midnighters physical abilities

but your right, thier isint reallya counter for radar sense. Essentially, he is just as intelligable in this fight as midnighters 329392399329 calculations

Originally posted by Soljer
He needn't take into account the radar sense. As spunky said, he could take it into account as increased combat reflexes (and run the calculations DURING combat itself) for the same end result.

The counter-by-counter calculation need not take into account radar sense. It's more of "he attacks, I block, I attack, he blocks, I jump, he jumps, I block, he blocks, I attack, I put my fist through his skull."

In a million different variations. Including some where Daredevil may or may not be faster than Midnighter himself, and some where Daredevil may or may not be stronger, and some where Daredevil turns into a fifty foot pink bunny rabbit.

😐.

Seriously though, Midnighter 9/10.

Serious question here:

According to his own calculations, does Midnighter win every scenario he comes up with?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Isn't it possible that before MN'er gets a chance to come up with new combat scenarios, DD could put him down? I'm being serious. I mean, he comes at DD with a strategy, and it's COMPLETELY off. DD then lands several or so devastating blows since MN'er can't account for the radar sense yet. I mean, isn't it possible? It sounds like the most logical thing for me.

Besides, how do you counter DD's radar sense?

To NinoArana: That speed is impressive, I won't lie. Regardless, it's unknown as to how DD can handle that speed. I mean, he does REGULARLY bat away bullets with his billy-clubs. I'm just saying.

Right now I'd go so far as to say 5/10 for each.

also I like to add before it brought up that pressure point attacks are not nearly as effect as people think. Yes they work, but they are very hard to get at. At least the ones that KO a person. You need to actaully hit many pruessure points in a certain orde rin msot cases

Midnighter gets a lot of credit in the speed department for a guy who, aside form catching two arrows and speed blitzing some random fodder early on, has done nothing...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Midnighter gets a lot of credit in the speed department for a guy who, aside form catching two arrows and speed blitzing some random fodder early on, has done nothing...

thiersa big questionmark hanging over midnighers head right now

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Serious question here:

According to his own calculations, does Midnighter win every scenario he comes up with?

extremely funny

yet ide like to know the answer as well

In on of the Kev issues Midnighter had three mercs with machine guns on him and he gave his whole "I've already run this fight a million times in my head" tough guy speech... only this time one of the guys asked "Oh, yeah what happens?" Which resulted in MN sneering and asking Apollo for back up. Apparently Midnight was talking out of his ass and would have been shot to shit if he made a move... which is pathetic considering some of the jams Captain America has gotten out of.

Honestly, Midnighter get why to much credit for a guy who has done nothing.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In on of the Kev issues Midnighter had three mercs with machine guns on him and he gave his whole "I've already run this fight a million times in my head" tough guy speech... only this time one of the guys asked "Oh, yeah what happens?" Which resulted in MN sneering and asking Apollo for back up. Apparently Midnight was talking out of his ass and would have been shot to shit if he made a move... which is pathetic considering some of the jams Captain America has gotten out of.

Honestly, Midnighter get why to much credit for a guy who has done nothing.

hmmmm
thats interesting to know

with that said

is midnighter too obscure to accurately judge in this fight then?

There is plenty on MN to judge, only if you do it accurately you won't come to the same conclusion that the majority of people on KMC have apparently come to.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is plenty on MN to judge, only if you do it accurately you won't come to the same conclusion that the majority of people on KMC have apparently come to.

i see

i just havent seen much midnighter

didnt he show up in the 52 for a few issues?

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
i see

i just havent seen much midnighter

didnt he show up in the 52 for a few issues?

I stopped reading 52... but since MN is Wildstorm, I'm going to say no.