Midnighter vs Daredevil

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is plenty on MN to judge, only if you do it accurately you won't come to the same conclusion that the majority of people on KMC have apparently come to.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Aren't you just made at him because he beat the shit out of your precious Grifter and he has shown far more then your little Wolverine?😕
I think yes since everytime I see a thread you keep posting that only scan about Midnighter which is pretty much considerable as PIS becasue that was the only time that happened to him.

What? Armageddon never happened! La la la, I can't hear you, la la la!

Anyway... what has Midnighter shown far more of when compared to Wolverine? I guess he has killed more cannon fodder with a baton... should I arrange a parade in his honor? The guy has done virtually nothing. He beats up a bunch of wannabes dressed up as established characters... but so what? I do the same thing every Halloween when I beat up the neighborhood kids that are dress up as Superman and Batman. Where is my parade?

I don't see how it's PIS either. When else has someone refused to fight Midnighter and forced him to make the first move, someone who wasn't cannon fodder? Midnighter's fighting style is reactive, not proactive.

Don't worry, I'm not bitter about Midnighter killing Grifter...

*twitch*

Midnighter... son of a ***** killed Grifter... ****ing son of a *****...

So anyway... Midnighter wins.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hm...common knowledge about the character would not give Midnighter info on Daredevil's radar sense.

Thus, Midnighter would play out a million different scenarios, but they'd all be flawed since he'd be lacking a very important piece of information--DD's radar sense.

After careful consideration, I think I'm going to give this fight to Daredevil.

That does not make a difference. All midnighter needs to know is that DD is a fighter with certain capabilities, he doesnt need to know that some of these capabilities are given to him by his radar sense.

DD senses give him an edge but not a huge one. Everytime he comes up against experienced martial artists he gets tagged alot.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That does not make a difference. All midnighter needs to know is that DD is a fighter with certain capabilities, he doesnt need to know that some of these capabilities are given to him by his radar sense.

DD senses give him an edge but not a huge one. Everytime he comes up against experienced martial artists he gets tagged alot.

Me thinks you missed the point. Midnighter won't know that DD has any sort of "capabilities" at all, save that DD's a fighter.

Daredevil isn't wearing a sign on his forhead saying "I have a radar sense that vastly improves my senses and reaction time, just in case you were wondering".

How is Midnighter going to account for it if he doesn't know about it?

And no one answered my question earlier: "According to his own calculations, does Midnighter win every scenario he comes up with?"

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Me thinks you missed the point. Midnighter won't know that DD has any sort of "capabilities" at all, save that DD's a fighter.

Daredevil isn't wearing a sign on his forhead saying "I have a radar sense that vastly improves my senses and reaction time, just in case you were wondering".

How is Midnighter going to account for it if he doesn't know about it?

I didn't miss the point you did. I said he doesnt need to know. All he needs to know is that DD has increased reaction time and reflexes. All he needs to do is move so fast that he cant react. As I have mentioned before just knwoing something is going to happen doesnt mean you can stop it.

DDs radar sense is not good enough to give him the edge. If its so good how is iit non-enhnced humans like Punisher and Kingpin can put up a good fight. Whats the point of having a radar sense if Frank can shoot DD in the chest at close range and almost kill him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

And no one answered my question earlier: "According to his own calculations, does Midnighter win every scenario he comes up with?"

Yes he thinks of a million scenarios in which he can win. I would presume thats why he says I have already beaten you a million times.

Midnighter has way greater strength and speed than DD. He's got the win here.

Originally posted by Alfheim

If its so good how is iit non-enhnced humans like Punisher and Kingpin can put up a good fight. Whats the point of having a radar sense if Frank can shoot DD in the chest at close range and almost kill him.

What?

Thats a bit inaccurate

DD has handed punisher and Kingpin their anuses
Utterly dominateing punisher somewaht recently, and slamming Kingpin ontop of a car and driveing it through a building with only a SLIGHT struggle (yes i realize daredevil took a few hits and was choked, but clearly, he was ready to handle business as the following events showed)

And i am ready to post scans incase you would like to see them (good comic)

DD is out of punisher and Kingpins leauge when it comes to h2h. And thats that

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
What?

Thats absoltuely incorrect

DD has handed punisher and Kingpin their anuses
Utterly dominateing punisher somewaht recently, and slamming Kingpin ontop of a car and driveing it through a building with only a SLIGHT struggle (yes i realize daredevil took a few hits and was choked, but clearly, he was ready to handle business as the following events showed)

And i am ready to post scans if neccessairy

DD is out of punisher and Kingpins leauge when it comes to h2h. And thats that

Yes that maybe the case but that does not happen all the time. The point is it doesnt give him a huge advantage, its just like having enhanced reflexes that all.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes he thinks of a million scenarios in which he can win. I would presume thats why he says I have already beaten you a million times.

So then, according to Midnighter, he takes into account everything? Meaning: Does he calculate what would happen if his opponent had Superman powers? Then telekinesis? Then super speed? Then super strength? Then flight? Then heigtened senses? Then energy projection abilities? Then reality-warping powers?

And he wins in every scenario? That doesn't make any sense. 😬

So, if Midnighter were to go against Superman, would he win?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes that maybe the case but that does not happen all the time. The point is it doesnt give him a huge advantage, its just like having enhanced reflexes that all.

HA, you caught the original post
im sorry if that sounded a little hostile, i assure you thier is no hostility here

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So then, according to Midnighter, he takes into account everything? Meaning: Does he calculate what would happen if his opponent had Superman powers? Then telekinesis? Then super speed? Then super strength? Then flight? Then heigtened senses? Then energy projection abilities? Then reality-warping powers?

He would calculate what he percives and if its possible to beat them he would think of a million ways to beat him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

And he wins in every scenario? That doesn't make any sense. 😬

Well that depends on who he is fighting. Its obvously possible to beat DD so he would think of a million ways to beat him

Originally posted by Metalmanx

So, if Midnighter were to go against Superman, would he win?

C'mon man....gezzzzz!

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
HA, you caught the original post
im sorry if that sounded a little hostile, i assure you thier is no hostility here

No its cool, you should meet some other people on this forum, you should see what rude is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
He would calculate what he percives and if its possible to beat them he would think of a million ways to beat him.

Well that depends on who he is fighting. Its obvously possible to beat DD so he would think of a million ways to beat him

C'mon man....gezzzzz!

Relax. I'm just trying to get a better understanding here.

So, against Superman, Midnighter would NOT calculate millions of ways to defeat him, correct?

Honestly, I think this can go 5/10 for each. Daredevil has his own tricks, too.

midnighters quesitonable fisical stats are keeping me from forming a final descision

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Relax. I'm just trying to get a better understanding here.

No im cool, its just the way I talk.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

So, against Superman, Midnighter would NOT calculate millions of ways to defeat him, correct?

No but obvoulsy you cant compare DD to Superman

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Honestly, I think this can go 5/10 for each. Daredevil has his own tricks, too.

I dont see what his radar sense is gonna do.

Spider-Man?

Captain America?

Colossus?

Cyclops?

Beast?

Psylocke?

Shadowcat?

😑

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spider-Man?

Captain America?

Colossus?

Cyclops?

Beast?

Psylocke?

Shadowcat?

😑

Um what?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Um what?

Sorry, thought you were following me there.

How would Midnighter fare against these guys? Basically, would he be able to device a million strategies to defeat them everytime?

Spider-Man?

Captain America?

Colossus?

Cyclops?

Beast?

Psylocke?

Shadowcat?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sorry, thought you were following me there.

How would Midnighter fare against these guys? Basically, would he be able to device a million strategies to defeat them everytime?

Spider-Man?

Captain America?

Colossus?

Cyclops?

Beast?

Psylocke?

Shadowcat?

Im not sure about Collosus or Shadowcat, but lets put it this way if they can be beaten he will forumulate a million possibilities.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not sure about Collosus or Shadowcat, but lets put it this way if they can be beaten he will forumulate a million possibilities.

But that's the exact point I'm trying to make. The issue of whether or not they can be beaten is all RELATIVE. They can be beaten by other, more powerful opponents. But not by Midnighter. So in that case, does he calculuate a million different ways that he loses?

My real point here is that without any knowledge of Daredevil's superhuman powers, he's not going to be prepared for what happens. And then when Daredevil catches him completely off-guard and lands devastating blows, it could be too late for any sort of re-calculation to take place.

Which is why I stand by my 5/10 for each.