Originally posted by Darth Extecute
There's no known real fact about Lich King in lore yet.. The only thing doable is speculations..But it isnt irrelevant.. He expanded from that self, and then that self is what we'll have to calculate from.-.
its not quite as simple as that, his mind increased 10 thousand fold is all we know, other than that his skills compared to his Orc self seem completly diffrent
His mind expanded, yes. He was given control over undead. The only thing that has expanded is his awareness, physical, magical and mental capabilites. He can not expand what he does not have and this was what he expanded from:
- Vague shaman powers (Nearly no powers at all/no powers at all)
- Vague warlock magic
This is what he gained as Lich King:
- Lich magic (Necromancy, Dark Arts, Frost and Darkness magic)
- Telepathical powers
- Telekenetical powers
- Spiritual awareness
- Magical Enchantment (As long as he remained loyal to Kil'Jaeden. It is unknown what happend to these powers once he broke the pact with Kil'Jaeden, since he gained them trough a direct link that he broke)
What he then expand trough that 10.000 fold can only be guessed.
Does he expand above Kil'Jaeden? Not at all.
Kil'Jaeden was more powerful as a pure Eredar than Ner'Zhul ever was as a shaman.
Ner'Zhul expanded as said 10.000 fold
Kil'Jaeden expanded with limits only in his mind. In 'Rise of the Horde' he is said to hold limitless powers.
(Kil'jaeden has one of, or THE greatest mind in warcraft history)
Originally posted by Fuddle
Could you maybe elaborate that? 🙂
Points he made:
Kil'jaeden cannot create something more powerful than himself.
Kil'jaeden is ancient, experience and study would put him ahead of the Lich King in smarts and experience. Having decivided both bering that is the LK is proof
Kil'jaeden has un-azaroth-ly feats behind him.
If Kil'jaeden is weaker, why is LK coming out in WoW, not Kil'jaeden
finally the most obvious point he made.
Archimonde stormed through Azeroth as was almost unstoppable. LK isn't doingthat which is pretty much proof he cannot. Remembering Kil'jaeden > Archimonde
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Points he made:Kil'jaeden cannot create something more powerful than himself.
Kil'jaeden is ancient, experience and study would put him ahead of the Lich King in smarts and experience. Having decivided both bering that is the LK is proof
Kil'jaeden has un-azaroth-ly feats behind him.
If Kil'jaeden is weaker, why is LK coming out in WoW, not Kil'jaeden
finally the most obvious point he made.
Archimonde stormed through Azeroth as was almost unstoppable. LK isn't doingthat which is pretty much proof he cannot. Remembering Kil'jaeden > Archimonde
sorry fuddle but ill ignore that last post you made, you simply stated opinions like "can he expand beyond killy: NO", which is simply your opinion, it is not known how much he has expanded
but anyway onto Angels points
well first, Killy cant make something stronger than himself? is there proof behind this? also more importantly, is everything that makes the lich king powerful completly devised by Killy, can you prove it if you think so?, Killy didnt exactley device LK escaping in the first place so obviously LK is going beyond what Killy first thought
not really, just because your Oldier your more intelligent......no, so if i was immortal and just sat on my back for 1000 years, that would make me smarter than Albert einstein?...no...LK mind expanded to ingredible limits, i have not read anywhere saying that Killy is smarter than the LK or a mind anything in comparison to what LK is....if ime wrong, plz correct me with a site or a book scan 😄
.....he has feats? show me...nobody so far has shown me destructive feats
Killy may indeed be coming out, maybe Killy just isnt Blizzards highest prioty, also its World of warcraft you seem to be talking about, where Archimonde is a supposedly lower tier boss than Illidan.....
what? he isnt doing that.....for all we know he is not stupid enough, we know what happened to Archimonde....Lich King is far greater in intellect, he isnt a being of this type, he is an intellectual, he may just be biding his time, a lot of characters dont simply go head on, also where would LK go head on to? if ime not mistaken he just wants the land to be of the dead doesnt he? i can imagine he is simply devising a plan other than running through foolishly and getting Earth magic raped.
Originally posted by Burning thought
sorry fuddle but ill ignore that last post you made, you simply stated opinions like "can he expand beyond killy: NO", which is simply your opinion, it is not known how much he has expandedbut anyway onto Angels points
well first, Killy cant make something stronger than himself? is there proof behind this? also more importantly, is everything that makes the lich king powerful completly devised by Killy, can you prove it if you think so?, Killy didnt exactley device LK escaping in the first place so obviously LK is going beyond what Killy first thought
not really, just because your Oldier your more intelligent......no, so if i was immortal and just sat on my back for 1000 years, that would make me smarter than Albert einstein?...no...LK mind expanded to ingredible limits, i have not read anywhere saying that Killy is smarter than the LK or a mind anything in comparison to what LK is....if ime wrong, plz correct me with a site or a book scan 😄
.....he has feats? show me...nobody so far has shown me destructive feats
Killy may indeed be coming out, maybe Killy just isnt Blizzards highest prioty, also its World of warcraft you seem to be talking about, where Archimonde is a supposedly lower tier boss than Illidan.....
what? he isnt doing that.....for all we know he is not stupid enough, we know what happened to Archimonde....Lich King is far greater in intellect, he isnt a being of this type, he is an intellectual, he may just be biding his time, a lot of characters dont simply go head on, also where would LK go head on to? if ime not mistaken he just wants the land to be of the dead doesnt he? i can imagine he is simply devising a plan other than running through foolishly and getting Earth magic raped.
Hey! wow! i'm not debating!!!
I like LK too much to dabate against him
I'dm just saying those are the reasons my Wacracft geek of a friend said Kli would win. And i trust him so.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Points he made:Kil'jaeden cannot create something more powerful than himself.
Kil'jaeden is ancient, experience and study would put him ahead of the Lich King in smarts and experience. Having decivided both bering that is the LK is proof
Kil'jaeden has un-azaroth-ly feats behind him.
If Kil'jaeden is weaker, why is LK coming out in WoW, not Kil'jaeden
finally the most obvious point he made.
Archimonde stormed through Azeroth as was almost unstoppable. LK isn't doingthat which is pretty much proof he cannot. Remembering Kil'jaeden > Archimonde
Which is understandable, since Kil'Jaeden has no real limit. He is among the most powerful none-titanic creatures 🙂
Experience is not guaranteed an asset. Watch how Arthas beat Illidan. Look at the point where Anveena beats Dar'Khan. Look at the point where Grom beats Mannoroth.
Lich King is not Azerothian either.
Kil'Jaeden is coming out in WoW.
Archimonde did so, yes. However, Kil'Jaeden will never do such a thing. Kil'Jaeden uses his brain, while Archimonde uses muscles. He could if he wanted to, but he will not because he thinks one step ahead. The fall of Archimonde was because of his recklessness. Not Kil'Jaeden nor Lich King is reckless.
I know we do not know much about Lich King yet, but what makes you so sure that he can not do so? Arthas did it, despite all the attempts to prevent him. Illidan did it, but was stopped by Arthas.
I am sorry, but even though I agree with the fact that Kil'Jaeden win this- I do not agree with your friend.
Originally posted by Burning thought
sorry fuddle but ill ignore that last post you made, you simply stated opinions like "can he expand beyond killy: NO", which is simply your opinion, it is not known how much he has expanded
I did not say that he can not. I said that he has not. But if you so strongly believe that he expanded beyond Kil'Jaeden and decided to ignore my points on why he did not, then please share your knowledge with me.
I for one do not think he can expand beyond a magical user without limits.
Originally posted by Fuddle
I did not say that he can not. I said that he has not. But if you so strongly believe that he expanded beyond Kil'Jaeden and decided to ignore my points on why he did not, then please share your knowledge with me.I for one do not think he can expand beyond a magical user without limits.
you said
Originally posted by Fuddle
Does he expand above Kil'Jaeden? Not at all.
you dont know he has not, thats what i was saying, you seem to be saying things like this often, which you cannot prove he "has" not, since we dont know much about him at all at the moment
oh but he has limits, otherwise hed be ominpotent and would crush Sargerus, break through the protections of Azeroth by himself without aid and set the world to the flame
Originally posted by Burning thought
you saidyou dont know he has not, thats what i was saying, you seem to be saying things like this often, which you cannot prove he "has" not, since we dont know much about him at all at the moment
oh but he has limits, otherwise hed be ominpotent and would crush Sargerus, break through the protections of Azeroth by himself without aid and set the world to the flame
He is has no limits of what he is capable of doing, but what he does has limits. Only as far as his mind can reach, so vast is his power.
If he expanded his mind, he will expand his powers. However he has a great mind and that takes him a long way.
Kil'Jaeden omniponent? I will quote 'Rise of the Horde'
Not yet
Meh Killy is a cooly, but
Arthas has the armor that is just the epimote of what an human evil villain should look like. They the sword *drools* in terms of appearence, i'd actually say it's the best looking villain i've seen (Human only, i know he isn't human techincally but the body is so good enough)
Originally posted by Fuddle
His spirit is combined with an orc, but he is both living and human so he is in theory and body still human. He has to die in order to not be considered human anymore 🙂Medivh's mind was mainly Sargeras, but you do not see people run around calling Medivh a dark titan 😛
heir minds merged. Though Mer'zhuls mind and will was much more powerful than Arthas's so i thik it's main Ner'zhul in control now.
And i'm such Arthas Death Knight was an undead.