Revan & Malak vs Obi-Wan & Anakin

The characters are:

TEAM A:

- Darth Revan
- Darth Malak

Note: Both Revan and Malak are master practitioners of Force Lightning.

TEAM B:

- OBi-Wan (ROTS)
- Anakin (ROTS)

Setting: Tatooine (Dune Sea)

Light Saber forms of each Jedi are:

-> Revan's: Niman/Jar-Kai
-> Malak's: Juyo (Single handed)
-> Anakin's: Djem So
-> Obi-Wan's: Soresu

Who will be the winners?

..... Firstly niman sucks, and only masters can actually learn the juyo form, Juyo > niman and jar kai. And dorak stated revan was superior to malak in saber combat so how can malak be learning a superior form while being worse than revan whom is using the worst form which is niman?

Drews not applying common sense legend

Originally posted by Kadesh
..... Firstly niman sucks, and only masters can actually learn the juyo form, Juyo > niman and jar kai. And dorak stated revan was superior to malak in saber combat so how can malak be learning a superior form while being worse than revan whom is using the worst form which is niman?

Drews not applying common sense legend

Revan was smart, intelligent and adaptable. Niman works well for such people and it does not have strong weaknesses. And Revan switches to Jar Kai when using two sabers.

Drew said that he was a skilled swordsman. So he does not sucks as this is evident from the game itself.

Here is Drew's explanation: However, it is my unofficial opinion that Revan would generally have used "Form VI - Niman". This form works well for anyone who is intelligent and adaptable, as Revan obviously was. It has no real weaknesses, and even though it is not as aggressive as other forms it enables the user to unleash powerful Force abilities more easily during combat. Revan was skilled in lightsaber combat, but knew true strength came from using all the other Force abilities in conjunction with lightsaber combat. Form VI would allow Revan to spend less time focusing on lightsaber skills, and more time developing other Force powers.

Malak was a master swordsman. He recklessely charged in to dangerous fights and won. He was a brave and headstrong warrior. Drew said that he used Juyo.

And when did Dorak said that Malak was inferior to Revan in Saber Combat? It was pointed out even in KOTOR II that final fight between Revan and Malak was an epic one.

And that was when Malak was powered by the star forge....

Originally posted by kamikz
And that was when Malak was powered by the star forge....

Revan used his saber skills in conjunction with his Force Mastery to crush his opponents as evident from Drew's opinion. And Revan's Force Mastery > Malak's Force Mastery.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

[b]Here is Drew's explanation: However, it is my unofficial opinion that Revan would generally have used "Form VI - Niman". This form works well for anyone who is intelligent and adaptable, as Revan obviously was. It has no real weaknesses, and even though it is not as aggressive as other forms it enables the user to unleash powerful Force abilities more easily during combat. Revan was skilled in lightsaber combat, but knew true strength came from using all the other Force abilities in conjunction with lightsaber combat. Form VI would allow Revan to spend less time focusing on lightsaber skills, and more time developing other Force powers.

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And dorak told revan that malak was the new dark lord even though revan is far more superior than malak was in saber skills and thus malak had to use a sith warship to do the job.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan used his saber skills in conjunction with his Force Mastery to crush his opponents as evident from Drew's opinion. And Revan's Force Mastery > Malak's Force Mastery.

Originally posted by Kadesh
That "explanation" is a total truck load of shit. Where does it state that niman allows the user to unleash more force attacks? Nothing like that was mentioned in star wars insider when they talked about the lightsaber form.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And dorak told revan that malak was the new dark lord even though revan is far more superior than malak was in saber skills and thus malak had to use a sith warship to do the job.

What was evident is that Malak betrayed Revan on a time which would be easier to defeat him. Revan was distracted by the Jedi when Malak betrayed him and took advantage of his situation. And Malak clearly said that he was soon going to be ready to challenge him for DLOTS title (even if had not betrayed him). It was only a matter of time.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Thats his opinion and is not canon unless approved by LFL or lucasarts

For the time being I consulted an expert (who was the master-mind behind KOTOR) and his views hold more credibility then ours. He knows what is going inside Star Wars.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You know better then Drew then argue with him. His contact is available on his website. All he said is that Niman form makes it easy of Jedi to unleash Force attacks.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

When did he said this? I have played KOTOR so many times and yet I have never heard him saying this.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

What was evident is that Malak betrayed Revan on a time which would be easier to defeat him. Revan was distracted when Malak betrayed him and took advantage. And Malak clearly said that he was soon going to be ready to challenge him for DLOTS title (even if had not betrayed him). It was only a matter of time.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Lucas Arts really cared then it would have given an official opinion by now but it didn't.

For the time being I consulted an expert (who was the master-mind behind KOTOR) and his views hold more credibility then ours. He knows what is going inside Star Wars.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again thats his opinion and is NOT canon unless approved by LFL
When ever you go back to dantooine to talk to dorak before getting captured by malak

Originally posted by Kadesh
See the above. dorak at that part clearly explains why malak used a warship and not get into a fight

Malak himself said that he was soon going to challenge Revan for DLOTS title when he met Revan again on Leviathan.

Malak knows better then Dorak about his personal plans.

Originally posted by Kadesh
No, sources and canon > drews views. insider already disproves drews opinio

Drew writes canon Novels and also wrote KOTOR. What he said was accepted by canon authorities. Too bad for you.

And now an insider is disputing Drew's views. Sorry! provide me a link to this insider.

Kadesh, you're talking rubbish. Dorak never goes into specifics, all he says is that Revan was the more powerful of the two. He doesn't elaborate on that, and say that he was the greater swordmaster of the two or anything like that, quit lying.

And about Drew: he, like all other LA VIPs, has access to The Holocron, which is basically the Ultimate Star Wars database, and contains pretty much every piece of information on Star Wars that has ever been recorded. However, it's not like he's never been known to make mistakes, for example the whole Vaapad issue in PoD, and I don't ever recall that stuff being said about Niman.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Since there is no official opinion available on his Saber Form then I will prefer what Drew says. You make your own decision.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Wow! Drew defines canon materials. What he says - it gets accepted!

Drew wrote canon Novels and also wrote KOTOR. What he said was accepted by canon authorities. Too bad for you.

And now an insider is disputing Drew's views. Sorry! provide me a llink to this insider.

Niman is the diplomats form, and if it was so great why was alot of the great swordmasters who used that form got killed so easily in the B.O.G.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes but revan is far better than that to use the niman form, we cannot take into account of what drew said because it is not canon

Remember when Kas'im unleashed Jar Kai, Bane was in serious trouble. And Bane uses Djem So as far as I know.

And it is only you who does not likes what Drew said. If Drew tells Lucas Arts to make Niman on of his official Saber Forms, guess what will happen? It will get accepted. Too bad for you.

It is however possible that Niman is one of Revan's Saber Forms that he mastered and he might have known more.

Originally posted by Kadesh
So if drew says revan > sidious its canon then? i already told you what drew just told you is not canon until approved by lucasarts. And what he just said about niman completely contradicts of what it has been stated to be. I do not have a link to the insider magazine but i reconmend you read wookiepedia about form VI. It is accurate and i can garentee you it has nothing of what drew told you personally [/B]

And Drew is not an idiot to state such a thing that Revan > Sidious. He knows that Sidious is most powerful Sith.

Here is what wookieepedia says under "Niman/Jar Kai" article: Many Jedi Knights and Sith Lords trained to use the Niman style in the hopes of gaining a basic knowledge of the dual-bladed attack, but very few ever totally mastered Niman. Jedi Master Micah Giiett was known for using two yellow-bladed lightsabers; Darth Maul learned Jar'Kai during his years of intense training under Darth Sidious; Mace Windu and Depa Billaba both displayed masterful dual sabers combat during the Battle of Haruun Kal; Joclad Danva wielded two lightsabers during the Battle of Geonosis; and Aayla Secura also used Jar'Kai at the end of the Clone Wars. Darth Revan was known to also be a master of Jar'Kai. Other known learners included Exar Kun, Kavar, Sora Bulq, A'Sharad Hett, Quinlan Vos, Serra Keto, Komari Vosa, Asajj Ventress, Jeng Droga, Alora, Darth Krayt, with Lomi Plo and Kol Skywalker as possible practitioners.

Now you see? Revan probably mastered Niman/Jar Kai.

There is no contradiction between what Drew said and what is mentioned in wookieepedia.

Shall I say? Pwned.

So if drew says revan > sidious its canon then? i already told you what drew just told you is not canon until approved by lucasarts.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/435031_22-darth-nihilus-and-darth-sion-vs-the-rots-jedi-order

Originally posted by Kadesh
Will you accept that i read his emails and daniel wallace stated that palpatine is the strongest sith, he said so in an email to janus and lightsnake

Double standards, much?

Originally posted by allfg

Double standards, much?

His love letters to Lightsnake are approved by LA?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What about Jar Kai? Does that sucks too!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Remember when Kas'im unleashed Jar Kai, Bane was in serious trouble. And Bane uses Djem So as far as I know.

let me explain. niman contains other forms like shi cho, makashi and djem so correct? But kavar and insider stated that it has no strengths and no weaknesses and thus they called it the moderation form because it is balanced, what i mean is that the elements of other forms in niman is not mastered, If a djem so practitionar were to face a niman user. The djem so masters skill of djem so would > the djem so element in the niman form. thats like saying djem so is 100% which over powers the djem so in niman which is only 50%. Get it?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And it is only you who does not likes what Drew said. If Drew tells Lucas Arts to make Niman on of his official Saber Forms, guess what will happen? It will get accepted. Too bad for you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

It is however possible that Niman is one of Revan's Saber Forms and he might have known more.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And Drew is not an idiot to state such a thing that Revan > Sidious. He knows that Sidious is most powerful Sith.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

[b]Here is what wookieepedia says under "Niman/Jar Kai" article: Many Jedi Knights and Sith Lords trained to use the Niman style in the hopes of gaining a basic knowledge of the dual-bladed attack, but very few ever totally mastered Niman. Jedi Master Micah Giiett was known for using two yellow-bladed lightsabers; Darth Maul learned Jar'Kai during his years of intense training under Darth Sidious; Mace Windu and Depa Billaba both displayed masterful dual sabers combat during the Battle of Haruun Kal; Joclad Danva wielded two lightsabers during the Battle of Geonosis; and Aayla Secura also used Jar'Kai at the end of the Clone Wars. Darth Revan was known to also be a master of Jar'Kai. Other known learners included Exar Kun, Kavar, Sora Bulq, A'Sharad Hett, Quinlan Vos, Serra Keto, Komari Vosa, Asajj Ventress, Jeng Droga, Alora, Darth Krayt, with Lomi Plo and Kol Skywalker as possible practitioners.

Now you see? Revan probably mastered Niman/Jar Kai.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

There is no contradiction between what Drew said and what is mentioned in wookieepedia.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Shall I say? Pwned.

Originally posted by allfg
His love letters to Lightsnake are approved by LA?

Oh my days, haven't we been through this like a gazillion times already? The NEC is an in-story source, meaning it's subject to inaccuracy, and that any blanket statement inside is purely an opinion of a fallible third party. Now your original response was that Dan Wallace's email backed it up, yet now you're saying that the NEC backs up his opinion? Moronic.