Sorry to be a pain, but, where is it said that Revan mastered or practiced all the forms that you're implying he did?
Another point: Why does it matter all that much? Anakin mastered form V and was the finest practitioner that Dooku had ever seen (and probably mastered Form VI, due to fighting with two sabers if you're implying that it takes form VI mastery to do that).
Also, Anakin beat Asajj, who fought with both a double and a two bladed lightsaber (and was damn good).
Dooku, who was that former battle master, meaning he knew all forms, and "had studied the ways of the Force for almost eight decades, becoming one of its most powerful practitioners" along with being "unequaled in a classical form of lightsaber combat," was dealt with by Anakin in 30 seconds (including a 13 second saber lock, and Anakin temporarily not giving in to his anger).
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Sorry to be a pain, but, where is it said that Revan mastered or practiced all the forms that you're implying he did?Another point: Why does it matter all that much? Anakin mastered form V and was the finest practitioner that Dooku had ever seen (and probably mastered Form VI, due to fighting with two sabers if you're implying that it takes form VI mastery to do that).
Also, Anakin beat Asajj, who fought with both a double and a two bladed lightsaber (and was damn good).
Dooku, who was that former battle master, meaning he knew all forms, and "had studied the ways of the Force for almost eight decades, becoming one of its most powerful practitioners" along with being "unequaled in a classical form of lightsaber combat," was dealt with by Anakin in 30 seconds (including a 13 second saber lock, and Anakin temporarily not giving in to his anger).
Then KOTOR II (which is a canon material) indicated that Revan mastered Jar Kai Combat Style.
Drew also indicated that Revan mastered Form VI. Now mastering of Form VI requires study and practise of various other Saber Combat Forms. And these are Form I, Form III, Form VI and Form V. You can read this in star wars insider 62.
Now this means that Revan had indeed practised and perhaps even mastered some of these Saber Forms (as he was always interested in learning more) before he even proceeded to learn/master Form VI.
Then Jar Kai is related to Form VI and mastering it requires proficiency in Form VI. This has been indicated in several sources that I mentioned before here.
So I constructed a logical deduction regarding Revan's Combat Styles from all these sources and indications. If you have properly read my last very previous in this thread then you won't have questioned this.
Legend, I was wondering why you implied he had mastered forms when all he would have to do is study them. Thanks for clearing that up, though.
Also, Dooku had been a battle master, so, to assume dis-familiarity with forms seems kind of dumb. Also, he mentions how he knows Ataru inside and out, along with Maksashi, he instantly recognized Soresu at the first saber movement, and could tell right away about Anakins use of Form V.
From the Revan vs. Ankin thread:
Even if Revan could beat Anakin in the force department, what makes anyone here think he would? Once he entered melee, no way he could get off a force attack while in saber combat (seeing as how Dooku's force prowess was called "A joke," even though he uses Makashi, a form that leaves a hand free, for possible force attacks).
Now, why would Revan enter melee? Well, a good reason is because he doesn't know who the Hell Anakin is, and is woefully unaware of how badly he will get demolished and how quickly Anakin could be wearing his skin like a suit. I thought of another reason thanks to my good friend Nebby. He pointed out with such intensely powerful emotion and unwavering rhetoric that:
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Originally posted by allfg
There's also the fact that Revan was perfectly content with going into battle with three powerful jedi with just his saber. Now we now that Revan certainly has the ability to have just taken them all out with the force, yet he was still confident enough in his saber ability to take it easy and just use his saber...
Wow. That was amazing. Basically, allfg has shown us that Revan, as a first reaction, brings out the lightsaber (also, in the picture of Revan over a defeated Malak Revan had a lightsaber out). Meaning, Anakin, as a first reaction, brings out a can of Whoop Ass.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
From the Revan vs. Ankin thread:Even if Revan could beat Anakin in the force department, what makes anyone here think he would? Once he entered melee, no way he could get off a force attack while in saber combat (seeing as how Dooku's force prowess was called "A joke," even though he uses Makashi, a form that leaves a hand free, for possible force attacks).
Now, why would Revan enter melee? Well, a good reason is because he doesn't know who the Hell Anakin is, and is woefully unaware of how badly he will get demolished and how quickly Anakin could be wearing his skin like a suit. I thought of another reason thanks to my good friend Nebby. He pointed out with such intensely powerful emotion and unwavering rhetoric that:
Almost as good as Yoda?
Yoda was toying him with the force. Yoda was not doing a single attack except shooting back Dooku's own lightning at him, which Dooku did not handle at a nearly as impressive rate as Yoda himself. Dooku tossed everything he had, and Yoda didn't budge an inch. Dooku wasn't close...
Saber wise, Dooku was far off as well. Remember in Dark Rendevouz, where Dooku is on a dark side planet, making him much, much stronger, even (according to that quote) stronger than Mace Windu on that planet, and yet, even though Yoda ALSO had to save a maiden falling out from a window (Dooku's fault) he still managed to hold him off, even chase him off. With all those advantages and still lose, I'd say he is not nearly equal to Yoda in saber either.
Because he is a Jedi, doesn't have offensive Force powers.
And in Dark Rendevouz, on Vjun it was still a close fight and Dooku did injure him and Yoda tried his best to stop Dooku from escaping on Geonosis, before the fight he said If Dooku escapes, rally more systems to his, cause he will. He cared about Dooku, but he was a Jedi first, he tried his best against Dooku.
Jedi have offensive powers, but they don't use them nearly as often as Sith, and not nearly as devestating.
Yeah, but those are such major advantages that it's silly. On this forum, we have come to the conclusion that Mace is Dooku's superior when it comes to saber, yet on Vjuun, Dooku was his superior, AND the fact that Yoda was stalled by aiding a maiden with the force. That would be like removing one hand on a boxer and taking away the gloves of the other, then pit them against eachother....
The reason he escaped was because if Yoda chose to kill Dooku there, Anakin and Obi-Wan would've died.
Vividly his mind went back to their last meeting, on Geonosis: swords drawn at last, and finally equal.
What a bittersweet moment-to see Yoda again, and be a match, or more than a match for him... -Count Dooku
Farther back, he and Dooku in a cave on Geonosis. The hiss and flash of humming lightsabers, darkly beautiful,like dragonflies, and Dooku still a boy of twenty, not the old man whispering on top of poor dead Jang's blade.- Yoda
But Yoda would be prepared for that; it would never be so easy. Count Dooku prided himself on his ability to see reality for what it really was.
-Count Dooku
Doku is 90% of Yoda, if Yoda is 100% if not litle more, but Yoda has a big advantage, that he is fast and small, he is hard to hit.