RotS Mace Windu VS RotS Count Dooku

Started by Battlemaster6 pages

Well, unless there are no more objections, We can clearly see Mace has won this.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Yeah, I'd have to agree with that.

You don't know what the hell your talking about.

Oh my days, I wasn't even going to bother ripping your post apart because you've just joined and you seemed like a good guy, but whatever, this post says everything:

'That, and add to the fact that Mace uses and has mastered the Form of Vapaad, a Form that utilizes Shatterpoints and re-directs Dark side energy back in to the opponent or fuels the Vapaad practioner.'

Judging by your attitude and your sig, it seems you think you know everything about StarWars, yet coming out with rubbish like that it's pretty clear you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Originally posted by vader11
TW, you are right. Fanboy>anything, such as Plo Koon...><
Sometimes it is better to leave when fanboys are there...

You probably don't realize this, seeing as your fairly new to the forums, but Rampant's possibly the biggest Dooku fanboy to ever grace KMC.

Originally posted by allfg
Oh my days, I wasn't even going to bother ripping your post apart because you've just joined and you seemed like a good guy, but whatever, this post says everything:

Good god you're in denial. To rip posts apart you have to be a decent debater at best. You are the worst debater on this forum, so I don't see you ripping anything apart. Stop lying to yourself tool.

Judging by your attitude and your sig, it seems you think you know everything about StarWars, yet coming out with rubbish like that it's pretty clear you don't know what the hell you're talking about. [/B]

Says the moron who gets pwned in every debate.

Originally posted by Advent
You probably don't realize this, seeing as your fairly new to the forums, but Rampant's possibly the biggest Dooku fanboy to ever grace KMC.

Why thankyou. 🙂

Originally posted by Advent
You probably don't realize this, seeing as your fairly new to the forums, but Rampant's possibly the biggest most idiotic Dooku fanboy to ever grace KMC.
Originally posted by Advent
You probably don't realize this, seeing as your fairly new to the forums, but Rampant's possibly the biggest Dooku fanboy to ever grace KMC.

But not to the point where we hate him. Some big Dooku fans... suck. It seems to be a trait that Rampant has grown out of.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
I shall leave this thread now because I know that these boards are filled with Mace loving, Dooku hating fanboys.

Dooku wins and agrees with Rampant. Runs away.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
But not to the point where we hate him. Some big Dooku fans... suck. It seems to be a trait that Rampant has grown out of.

Since when? I haven't seen any cocoons laying around anywhere.

Just since his days of "Dooku could beat Sidious in a small hallway," at least.

Maybe it's just me who doesn't hate him?

Mace wins~
The only chance that Dooku may beat Mace is a force fight...

Originally posted by jollyjim311
But not to the point where we hate him. Some big Dooku fans... suck. It seems to be a trait that Rampant has grown out of.

Which Dooku fans, their is only me and Rampant, is there someone else, because i hadn't noticed it.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Just since his days of "Dooku could beat Sidious in a small hallway," at least.

Maybe it's just me who doesn't hate him?

I don't, infact, I don't mind his love for Dooku. But I almost don't mind anyone who has a biased for anything on the internet, doesn't have anything to do with me anyway....

Originally posted by kamikz
I don't, infact, I don't mind his love for Dooku. But I almost don't mind anyone who has a biased for anything on the internet, doesn't have anything to do with me anyway....

Haha, a good way at looking at it, I guess.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Which Dooku fans, their is only me and Rampant, is there someone else, because i hadn't noticed it.

You are a Koon's fan more than a Dooku's fan.😆

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Well I failed my hunk of sh*t Accounting assignment today and im in a bad mood. And I cant stand it when people say that Mace will beat the Count. I hate SLJ - he will never compare to Mr Lee.

I guess you could say im on the edge. 🥷

Blaxican the... Black, has always been your freind, and ally. Ignore Advent and her.. warmongering. Her.. malcontent.

I seriously doubt Agen Kolar >>> AOTC Anakin. Maybe >, but >>> is really overdoing it. AOTC Anakin was enough to actually challenge Dooku for a while, something I doubt Agen could do well at all....

Agen Kolar bested Quinlan Vos and was stated in the ROTS novel to be one of the order's strongest swordsmen. One of the ROTS order's strongest swordsmen >>> AOTC Anakin. So does Quinlan Vos. So Agen does, too.
Realistically, Mace could whittle Dooku down to nothing in half the time it took him to beat Sidious.

Now I doubt it will be that easy but Mace does win.

You miss the point; Makashi is designed for dueling. Most dueling techniques had become obsolete by the PT times, so it's likely that when Mace created the form, he didn't include too many dueling elements. And Mace didn't technically create the form, he just expanded on Juyo, like Kas'im did to all the forms.

Vaapad is nearly as good as Makashi is for dueling, Vaapad is good in every category, which is why it is the ultimate form. No, it wasn't designed primarily for dueling like Makashi was but it is good in everything, including dueling.
What the..?
If you're trying to argue that Mace has more experience than a former lightsaber instructor that has been using a saber for

For what? Yes, a lightsaber instructor would get a lot of experience sparring with people who aren't much of a challenge, as far as real dueling goes, however, Mace could have as much or more experience than Dooku has.
DS, you know my stance on things that contradict what we see in the movie.

Okay, and where does it say that Mace used his full speed in the movies? And who says that speed is what will matter the msot in a saber duel?
Why wouldn't Mace use his full speed against Sidious?

Maybe he'd sacrifice it for power or defense or accuracy.
Dooku was able to completely revitalise himself with the force in the RotS novelisation. With the force, age means little.

Actually, the novel states that during the duel on the Invisible Hand that Dooku and Kenobi were getting tired but not Anakin. I'll post the exact quote if you wish me to. So yes, age does matter, the two oldest duelers in that fight got tired more quickly than the youngest one.
Proof?

I can't give it to you right know, swtimeline.ru seems to not be working, but it says so in the ROTS novel. I'll try swtimeline again tomorrow.

Despite using on of the most energy consuming forms, when Dooku uses the least?

Most energy consuming is Ataru and least is Soresu, so I don't now where you're getting this info from.
You're missing the point. Dooku's gotta require some pretty damn good strength to block two overhead attacks at the same time, one of them being from someone as strong as Anakin Skywalker.

Blocking one strike? No, not really.
Read through my post again. Dooku can simultaneously use both the force and his saber. How is Mace going to defend against the force while defending against a saber strike?

More importantly, how is Dooku going to use the Force while blocking Mace's saber? Lets see, when did Dooku use the Force before? Against Sora Bulq after who knows how many minutes of dueling and ROTS Kenobi when Kenobi was fighting with offense? That's not very impressive. He didn't use it against Anakin either time, or Yoda eitehr time. If he could have why didn't he?
I'm not saying he'll be able to use it all the time against anybody, just that he's adept at it. And he actually did do the very thing I'm talking about in RotS. Oh, and Mace is no Yoda.

He won't be able to use it against Mace, Mace is a Yoda, the databank says so, and if he's not good enough to use the Force on AOTC Anakin there's no way he can use it on Mace.
Begs for proof.

I addressed this later.
Since liek 4eva! Just kidding obviously, I never said speed makes you the best, but it is a factor, and probably the biggest one when it comes to saber dueling.

Defense, accuracy/precision and the ability to not make mistakes are at least as important.
Not being able to prevent three of your allies getting killed, and being dominated for almost the entire duel = barely handling.

How was he being dominated for almost the entire fight? On the contrary, it was pretty much even tell Sidious got kicked onto his ass.
When I can get to the comic, I'll go into more detail. However, from what I remember, Mace was desperately trying to kill Dooku and was trying his hardest, and Dooku was taunting him the entire time. There's also the fact that he was able to force push him off a cliff at the end of the duel. Though I'll admit my choice of word wasn't great.

Dooku talked a little, but no more than he talked to Anakin and Kenobi in ROTS, was he toying with them? And he talked just as much against Yoda in DR, was he toying with Yoda, too? I think not. Just because Dooku liked to taunt doesn't mean that he could beat anybody that he taunts, cause he sure as hell didn't beat ROTS Anakin and he taunted him a few times.
Excuse me? Wow, I really didn't expect this from you DS, completely uncalled for.

No offense, but your posts in this thread are pretty much bullshit, but at least I'm debating them and not just bashing you like most people do.
*Does not refute what I was saying*

Overcome: to overcome, master, or subdue by superior force.

to gain mastery over the bodily powers or mental faculties of

In otherwords, Mace won fair and square.

How so? From what I saw, he struggled against Yoda the entire time. Dooku at least was able to hold his own against Yoda.

Clean your eyes and watch again. I can't remember the times of the duels but Dooku did, at best, as well as Dooku did. Dooku ran after what? A single minute? Plus Yoda wasn't trying to kill Dooku, and he was trying to kill Sidious. Watch the scene where Yoda and Palpatine are saber dueling in the great Rotunda again, Yoda is moving slightly faster but besides that it seems almost exactly even.
Gillard's not a canon source.

Yes, he is. There is no reason why Gillard isn't as official as James Luceno or Timothy Zahn or any other EU author.
The fact alone sure sounds that way, however going into detail, it's pretty safe to say that it required little skill with a saber to do what Sidious did. I'm sure Dooku could kill them if they fought that way too.

Somehow I doubt it, Agen and Saesee, maybe, Kit, no way. But I haven't ever seen Dooku leap like Palpatine did and generally he doesn't seem to fight like that, with quick leaps and stabs.
AotC Anakin wasn't standing still now, was he?

Neither was Agen. Watch is in slow motion. He moves.

And there was one really absurd Dooku fan, I believe Master Makashi was his name (not Count Makashi, he's not anywhere near as bad). Yeah, Rampant and Count Makashi are big fans but are at least somewhat realistic, Sorgo was "Dooku beats Sidious" and Master Makashi was "Dooku pwns all!"

Originally posted by darthsith19
And there was one really absurd Dooku fan, I believe Master Makashi was his name (not Count Makashi, he's not anywhere near as bad). Yeah, Rampant and Count Makashi are big fans but are at least somewhat realistic, Sorgo was "Dooku beats Sidious" and Master Makashi was "Dooku pwns all!"

Why did he stop posting, was he baned, because of this.

No, he just left. Dunno why. He came back a few times, and changed his Screen Name to Lord Pyro, I think.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Agen Kolar bested Quinlan Vos and was stated in the ROTS novel to be one of the order's strongest swordsmen. One of the ROTS order's strongest swordsmen >>> AOTC Anakin. So does Quinlan Vos. So Agen does, too.

Anakin actually challenged one swordsman who is much superior to Agen to a good duel. Anakin was a very noted swordsman even at this point, and in the duel between Yoda and Dooku it says something like, "Yoda fought better than even the chosen one at the top of his game", (of course, by top, it means by AOTC, not FP. The quote isn't exact, but something like that is stated). By saying "not even", I'm inclined to say that Anakin is one hell of a swordsman by AOTC as well, prolly better than most.
Again, I doubt Agen >>> Anakin since Dooku was barley that....
Doesn't >>> mean pwns?