Originally posted by vader11
Yes, I don't see Dooku would beat Windu, after seeing Anakin vs Dooku in ROTS.
Thats a piss poor argument. Put Mace (or anybody) into Dooku's position in ROTS and they would have suffered the same fate. Anakin is near unstoppable when he is in the 'zone' like when fighting the Count.
Originally posted by Rampant oxMany people have already stated why Mace would win, and those arguments are strong enough. Why should I repeat their words? I am just saying who I think would win. Seeing how fast Dooku lose, Mace would probably win.
Thats a piss poor argument. Put Mace (or anybody) into Dooku's position in ROTS and they would have suffered the same fate. Anakin is near unstoppable when he is in the 'zone' like when fighting the Count.
Originally posted by vader11
Many people have already stated why Mace would win, and those arguments are strong enough. Why should I repeat their words? I am just saying who I think would win. Seeing how fast Dooku lose, Mace would probably win.
Meh, you make it seem like you are basing Mace's victory off Dooku's loss to Anakin. That would be a poor argument becaue Mace would also lose if he was faced against Anakin.
Originally posted by Riverollv
What d you guys mean when you say "the zone" ?
The state of mind Anakin was in when he fought Dooku in ROTS.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Meh, you make it seem like you are basing Mace's victory off Dooku's loss to Anakin. That would be a poor argument becaue Mace would also lose if he was faced against Anakin.
Very unlikely, considering Anakin's greatest weapon is his anger, while Vaapad makes it his greatest enemy. And we're not basing Mace's victory due to Dooku's loss, we're basing Mace's victory on Mace's victory over Sidious. Sidious is above Anakin in all aspects of saber dueling and force abilities, and he got monkey stomped. Anakin, who hasn't reached that level yet, will be much less of a challenge for Mace..
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Meh, you make it seem like you are basing Mace's victory off Dooku's loss to Anakin. That would be a poor argument becaue Mace would also lose if he was faced against Anakin.
Originally posted by Darth SexyYes, and I don't see Anakin is better than Sidious.
Very unlikely, considering Anakin's greatest weapon is his anger, while Vaapad makes it his greatest enemy. And we're not basing Mace's victory due to Dooku's loss, we're basing Mace's victory on Mace's victory over Sidious. Sidious is above Anakin in all aspects of saber dueling and force abilities, and he got monkey stomped. Anakin, who hasn't reached that level yet, will be much less of a challenge for Mace..
Originally posted by darthsith19[b]To Battlemaster
: Makashi is the best dueling form, there's no arguing what Star wars Insider says, if it says that Makashi is the best that it is. And Vaapad is called form 7 and it's what they were referring to in the article, their description of the form is exactly what Vaapad is.[/B]
When that article was written Vapaad had just barely been invented and had hardly ever been seen by anyone else besides editors.
It was still relatively unknown among most Star Wars fans.
Regarding Vapaad, the article is basically out-of-date.
And Vapaad is not called form 7.
Form 7 is in reference to Juyo .
Vapaad is the vareint of Juyo created by Mace Windu and is not conventional Form 7 (Juyo) itself.
In light of all the new developments that we've seen with Vapaad and the information I just gleaned with it in above posts, it is an obvious fact that Vapaad is the consummate dueling Form, due not only to the fact that is has move-sets more tempered for killing, but the fact that you can use it to fight multiple blade-weilding enemies at once versus Makashi where you can really only fight one.
Vapaad is not called the "Deadliest Form" because it is the most difficult to master and can bring you to the Dark side.
It is called the "Dealiest Form" because that is just exactly what it is.
It is the best From for All-around (That means everything) killing.
My notes have been garnered off all of the same other sites that people have looked at including Wookiepedia.
And If you still have trouble understanding what I mean, just refer to my earlier posts.
I had a gymnastics Meet to attend to all weekend so excuse me If I couldn't have posted sooner.
Originally posted by kiddo44Didn't Sidious has shown greater force powers than Dooku? But Mace beat Sidious. Also, Mace is equipped with a mastery of Shatterpoint and Vaapad is the deadliest lightsaber form with an added bonus against dark siders. I say Mace takes this.
Close, but Dooku has shown greater force powers, and Vaapad is not going to carry Mace against somebody like Dooku, The Count would take it.
Originally posted by vader11
Didn't Sidious has shown greater force powers than Dooku? But Mace beat Sidious. Also, Mace is equipped with a mastery of Shatterpoint and Vaapad is the deadliest lightsaber form with an added bonus against dark siders. I say Mace takes this.
yes, but Sidious was not using his force powers when he fought Mace, he had to wait on Anakin, Mace is a level 9 swordsman but has not shown the force powers of Dooku.
Originally posted by kiddo44As you say Mace is a level 9 swordman, then Dooku should be level 8. Mace beat Sidious, who is level 9. And there's is no proof that Sidious is waiting for Anakin. GL said that Mace overpowered Sidious fairly.
yes, but Sidious was not using his force powers when he fought Mace, he had to wait on Anakin, Mace is a level 9 swordsman but has not shown the force powers of Dooku.
Originally posted by vader11
As you say Mace is a level 9 swordman, then Dooku should be level 8. Mace beat Sidious, who is level 9. And there's is no proof that Sidious is waiting for Anakin. GL said that Mace overpowered Sidious fairly.
Dooku's level is never stated, Kenobi was an 8, i don't think those 2 are equal. And i know Lucas said he overpowered him in the swordfight, but Sidious when fighting Yoda was much more powerful, and he was faking that whole thing when he was on the ground, Lucas has said this, and Ian said that that face, sidious, was his actual face, and the lighting did not do that, he faked the whole thing. I don't doubt Mace is equal with him in sabers, but not the force.
Lucas said, "Yoda and Mace can Hang with Sidious", not beat him.
Originally posted by kiddo44It was said the only level 9 people are Yoda, Mace, Anakin, & Sidious, no mention of Dooku. So, Dooku is probably an 8. Also, Sidious wasn't faking until he uses lightning & said he was so weak. And Mace had the advantages of shatterpoint and Vapaad that Yoda was without, so Mace fight Sidious better than Yoda did. & GL said it has to be Yoda or Mace to compete with the emperor, no mention of Dooku.
Dooku's level is never stated, Kenobi was an 8, i don't think those 2 are equal. And i know Lucas said he overpowered him in the swordfight, but Sidious when fighting Yoda was much more powerful, and he was faking that whole thing when he was on the ground, Lucas has said this, and Ian said that that face, sidious, was his actual face, and the lighting did not do that, he faked the whole thing. I don't doubt Mace is equal with him in sabers, but not the force.
Lucas said, "Yoda and Mace can [B]Hang with Sidious", not beat him. [/B]