Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Source that Vaapad is the deadliest lightsaber form and turns the darkside into a servant of the light? Good god Noobaris, your dumbass still argues against facts.
Misconstruing things as usual I see Sexy...
I was asking for a source that says Vaapad is technically greater for dueling. Learn 2 read.
Yay for conveniently forgetting what I was quoting:
Wow, I leave and some idiots leave some posts...No guys, Vapaad is the best for dueling.
Its so overly obvious disagreeing with it just makes you embarrass yourselves.
Vapaad is a more finely tempered Form and has been stated to have more technical advantages than Makashi, even in a sword fight.
So duh, Vapaad does surpass Makashi in every aspect.
Like I said before, read it over and over again until you slowly realize it.
(What I bolded is what I directly quoted)
This was my reply.
I take it this is your proof, right? May I ask for your source?
Nothing about Vaapad being the deadliest lightsaber form and turning the darkside into a servant of the light. As I said, misconstruing things as usual...
Continued from before (sorry it took so long, had a Track Meet after school and now I am finally home).
At the point you're referring to, hell yeah.
That's completely different, he was basically having a heart to heart with Yoda.
I never said he could beat anyone he taunts, don't twist my words, and you already know my issues on the Dooku/Anakin fight so no need to bring them up again.
Again, that doesn't contradict that Sidious might have been holding back.
To Battlemaster: Makashi is the best dueling form, there's no arguing what Star wars Insider says, if it says that Makashi is the best that it is. And Vaapad is called form 7 and it's what they were referring to in the article, their description of the form is exactly what Vaapad is.
To Darth Sexy: You are being a dumbass and are just being mean to allfq because you don't like him. What allfq said about Makashi and Vaapad is in no way what-so-ever stupid, read again, he never stated that Vaapad wasn't the best, he just said that is wasn't the best for dueling. If all you're going to do is bash him for fun then just leave this thread.
Now that swtimeline.rr is working again, here is your guote, allfq:
The shining blue lightsaber whirled and spat and every overhand chop crashed against Dooku's defense with the unstoppable power of a meteor strike; the Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merely to meet these attacks without being cut in half, and Skywalker-
Skywalker was getting stronger.
Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room; each block aged him a decade.
He no longer even tried to strike back. Force exhaustion began to close down his perceptions, drawing his consciousness back down to his physical form, trapping him within his own skull until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him; he dimly sensed stairs at his back, stairs that led up to the entrance balcony. He retreated up them, using the higher ground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly ferocious.
So age does play a factor, and Dooku did get tired after only a minute, two at the most, of dueling, true it was 2 on 1 but still, Maul took on 2 opponents at once when not at full strength and didn't even seem to get tired, even after a few minutes of dueling.
Regarding this fight:
I think that Mace Windu will win because he has an edge over his opponent because of his mastery of Vaapad Form and he can see a shatterpoint of Dooku.
Dooku will be in serious trouble because he is a Dark Sider and Vaapad works well against Dark siders because it takes the hatred, anger and rage of Dark Siders and turn these in to a weapon against Dark Siders by reflecting these back at them.
Regarding the Light Saber Combat Styles:
It is true that Makashi is the best Saber Combat Form for Light Saber-to-Light Saber fighting.
But Vaapad is more deadly because it employs more kinetic energy and it is the most effective Saber Combat Form against Dark Siders.
Mace indeed has an edge in this fight.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Now that swtimeline.rr is working again, here is your guote, allfq:
The shining blue lightsaber whirled and spat and every overhand chop crashed against Dooku's defense with the unstoppable power of a meteor strike; the Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merely to meet these attacks without being cut in half, and Skywalker-
Skywalker was getting stronger.
Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room; each block aged him a decade.
He no longer even tried to strike back. Force exhaustion began to close down his perceptions, drawing his consciousness back down to his physical form, trapping him within his own skull until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him; he dimly sensed stairs at his back, stairs that led up to the entrance balcony. He retreated up them, using the higher ground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly ferocious.So age does play a factor, and Dooku did get tired after only a minute, two at the most, of dueling, true it was 2 on 1 but still, Maul took on 2 opponents at once when not at full strength and didn't even seem to get tired, even after a few minutes of dueling.
I think that main reason Dooku got tired was because of Anakin, if he was fighting anyone else he wouldn't get tired so quickly and remember he fought Tholme, who is younger then Dooku and wasn't exhausted at all and when he fought Yoda on Geonosis, Yoda seamed to be more tired and you forgot to add, that during the fight with Anakin he used Force to completely revitalize himself .
He pushed this aside, drawing once more upon the certain knowledge of his personal invincibility to open a channel to the Force. Power flowed into him, and the weight of his years dropped away.
Now i am not saying that age doesn't mater at all, but not that much also. like Yoda said-Age maters not.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
I think that main reason Dooku got tired was because of Anakin, if he was fighting anyone else he wouldn't get tired so quickly and remember he fought Tholme, who is younger then Dooku and wasn't exhausted at all and when he fought Yoda on Geonosis, Yoda seamed to be more tired and you forgot to add, that during the fight with Anakin he used Force to completely revitalize himself .He pushed this aside, drawing once more upon the certain knowledge of his personal invincibility to open a channel to the Force. Power flowed into him, and the weight of his years dropped away.
Now i am not saying that age doesn't mater at all, but not that much also. like Yoda said-Age maters not.
And I'd sure like to hear when/where Yoda said "age-matters not."
Originally posted by darthsith19
Why would he tire more quickly against Anakin than anybody else? He didn't seem exhausted after fighting Tholme because he's so much stronger than Tholme, obviously if, say, Yoda fights a Youngling Yoda will win without getting tired even though he's about a hundred times older. Yoda did seem more tired on Geonosis, which makes sense, because he's older and their pretty close to each other in strength. Yes, Dooku did use the Force to revitalize himself to an extent during his fight with Anakin but if you read what I posted you'll see that even with the Force to power him he was getting tired.
Force exhaustion began to close down his perceptions, drawing his consciousness back down to his physical form, trapping him within his own skull until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him; he dimly sensed stairs at his back, stairs that led up to the entrance balcony.And I'd sure like to hear when/where Yoda said "age-matters not."
O shit, he said size matters not, my mistake, i apologize.
And Dooku and Mace are also close in strength too and Yoda is old for his species just like Dooku is old for his(Qui-Gon was already affected by age and he was younger then Dooku) and in the fight Obi-Wan was also getting tired and he was young in his 30s. And Dooku tired so quickly because Anakin is so strong in the Force, Dooku said he is a natural, like rest use the Force, but Anakin is always in the Force.
Age is important, it does count as a factor, but not by much in these case.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
O shit, he said size matters not, my mistake, i apologize.
And Dooku and Mace are also close in strength too and Yoda is old for his species just like Dooku is old for his(Qui-Gon was already affected by age and he was younger then Dooku) and in the fight Obi-Wan was also getting tired and he was young in his 30s. And Dooku tired so quickly because Anakin is so strong in the Force, Dooku said he is a natural, like rest use the Force, but Anakin is always in the Force.
Age is important, it does count as a factor, but not by much in these case.
Originally posted by darthsith19Yes, I don't see Dooku would beat Windu, after seeing Anakin vs Dooku in ROTS.
I don't get why you're mentioning these people's ages, are you trying to say that Mace will get tired, too? If you are, then I agree, but since Dooku is 30 years older he'll likely get tired more quickly and then lose. And Mace is strong in the Force, too. I don't see how Anakin would tire Dooku out any faster than Mace would. And age does matter some, but so does dueling ability, which Mace has over Dooku (he ebat a level 9 swordsman - Sidious - Dooku is a level 8 swordsman). Experience is pretty even. The Force might go to Dooku but I don't see any Force Power than Dooku could use that would stop Mace. And really I don't see anything going for Dooku here, especially as he ran from their first battle after getting so excited over the concept of killing Jedi.