Who better to tier heroes . . .?

SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary

HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, DRAX THE DESTROYER

SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC), Jericho, Runner, RONAN THE ACCUSOR, SUPER SKRULL

MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr, BISHOP, CRYSTAL, ELECTRO

ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spiderwoman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager

STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Shang Chi, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, WHITE TIGER

I have a question on a few characters including Cloak, Dagger, and where the hell does Jean Grey belong?

Also I think the runner should be herald.

ok dude, Captain Atom needs to eb herald, he dances with almost all those chracters and either wins or doesn't lose by much. He's beaten hal Jordan, punked Apollo, beaten Majestic, I've been through this rant before. Check the respect thread

Originally posted by phillipan
Also I think the runner should be herald.

Yeah. What idiot put him at SubHerald 😖hifty:

SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary

HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, Drax the Destroyer, Runner

SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC), Jericho, Ronan the Accusor, Super Skrull

MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr, Bishop, Crystal, Electro

ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spiderwoman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager

STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Shang Chi, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, White Tiger

Originally posted by Redatom65
ok dude, Captain Atom needs to eb herald, he dances with almost all those chracters and either wins or doesn't lose by much. He's beaten hal Jordan, punked Apollo, beaten Majestic, I've been through this rant before. Check the respect thread

Originally posted by Validus
Barely got the better of a weakened Majestic who later punked him, a tired Hal Jordan, and was afraid Apollo would kill him. Yeah, yeah.

What Val said. Apollo was trashing him thoroughly until he got Apollo near the sun. Without that plot device, all that happened was Apollo beat the snot out of him and later (after the "owning"😉 waded through a blast like it wasn't even there, which was the same kind that had knocked (weakened) Majestic for a loop earlier.

keeping in mind, apollo was pretty blud thirsty and Atom was not out to harm these guys. yeah yeah.

Originally posted by Redatom65
keeping in mind, apollo was pretty blud thirsty and Atom was not out to harm these guys. yeah yeah.

Which is why he was uttering the words "End of the world" as he beat Majestic, and tried to give Apollo a fatal dose of sun raditation.

🙄

Seriously, all I hear about Atom are excuses, plot devices, and people pointing to the ludicrous "universe creation" feat. Beyond the "he wasn't out for blood" all he has are plot device wins over those two, and a solid thumping from Apollo on neutral ground.

So don't take it personally. I just don't see "herald".

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Which is why he was uttering the words "End of the world" as he beat Majestic, and tried to give Apollo a fatal dose of sun raditation.

🙄

Seriously, all I hear about Atom are excuses, plot devices, and people pointing to the ludicrous "universe creation" feat. Beyond the "he wasn't out for blood" all he has are plot device wins over those two, and a solid thumping from Apollo on neutral ground.

well it's clear he didn't, if you recall while on the ship, he continued to try to explain the predictament. He didn't want to harm the authority, but he did do some descent damage, also he was to busy thinking when fighting majesitc, and even said he had enogh when he trumped him. He's still clearly herald, especially if J'onn Jones and Superman are there

araña should be street level i think..........

question is street leveler if he isn't already there btw

Originally posted by Redatom65
well it's clear he didn't, if you recall while on the ship, he continued to try to explain the predictament. He didn't want to harm the authority, but he did do some descent damage, also he was to busy thinking when fighting majesitc, and even said he had enogh when he trumped him. He's still clearly herald, especially if J'onn Jones and Superman are there

Again, maybe you're right, but I personally can't justify herald based on his Wildstorm showings. Maybe if his other stuff justifies it better....

Atom is herald level if Superman is? That's some busted ass logic. Call me when CA becomes even a quarter of the winner Superman is.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Again, maybe you're right, but I personally can't justify herald based on his Wildstorm showings. Maybe if his other stuff justifies it better....

well

1. he's appeared in less than 200, probably 150 comics in his post crisis age. He's been severly under wirittan in the 90's do to leaked information by DC. And since Publie Enemies, he's slowly been redeeming himself, now since he's been talking monitors and what not he may show some serious bad ass feats....hopefully

2. In rgards to superman, I will admit that did exagerate the point to a good extent, though he would be able to beat superman solely based off his powers.

Originally posted by Redatom65

2. In rgards to superman, I will admit that did exagerate the point to a good extent, though he would be able to beat superman solely based off his powers.

shang-chi can amp his stats...how is he not enchanced like IF?

also shnag-chi stats are at a constant ampd stated

Originally posted by capt it up
shang-chi can amp his stats...how is he not enchanced like IF?

also shnag-chi stats are at a constant ampd stated

next, I don't think Drax should be considered Herald. I'm sure Mongul, Wonder Woman, Hawksmoor, and surely captain atom can beat him. He should be sub herald

Originally posted by NiñoAraña
if it's "amped" it's not constant 😕

He does this in order to always be on guard.

He however does not keep his strength in an amped state as seen when he amps he strength up as needed. He also amps his punches sorta like IF when needed

however his agility and reflex are always at an amped state or at least when he figures he may have trouble.

Originally posted by capt it up
thign with shang-chi is he keeps himself amped all the time atleast his reflexes and agility.

He does this in order to always be on guard.

He however does not keep his strength in an amped state as seen when he amps he strength up as needed. He also amps his punches sorta like IF when needed

however his agility and reflex are always at an amped state or at least when he figures he may have trouble.

get me?