Originally posted by Validus
Bumping the list.
Sub-Skyfather
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), Onslaught, Gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary, Eclipso, Elders of the Universe -- minus Ego, Circe, Blackheart, Death Urge, Black Racer, Tanaraq, Nightmare, Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Sun Eater, King Thor, Amazo, Takion, Fernus, Stayne, Superboy Prime, Resurrection Man 1 MillionHerald
Morg, Terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Thor, Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Orion, Infinity-Man, Superman, Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Doomsday, Binary, Mon-El, Stardust, Eradicator, Firelord, Martian Manhunter, FernusSupreme (Leifeld), Genis-Vell, Red Shift, Waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, Alex Nero, Wildfire, Rachel Grey (Phoenix II), Skeets, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Moonstone (w/ both stones)Sub-Herald
Captain Marvel (DC), General Zod, Hyperion, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Lobo, Magneto, Captain Atom, Apocalypse, Graviton, Sersi, Nate Grey, Holocaust, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Mar-Vell, Breach, He-Man, Raven, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Invincible, Shaman, Vulcan, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Union, Prime, Gorilla Grodd, Hector Hammond, Dr. Polaris, Maxima, Mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Selene (External), Jericho, Ronan the Accuser, Super Skrull, Bizarro, Manchester Black, Major Force, Red Tornado, The Ray, Cir-El, Cassandra Nova, Miss Martian, Meggan, Tempest, Apollo, Professor X, Absorbing Man, Graviton, Monica Rambeau (Captain Marvel), Shadow King, Loki, Death Metal, Starhawk, Lunatik, Count Nefaria, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Etrigan, Lightray, Firestorm (Ronnie/Jason), Absorbing Man, Iceman, Darwin, Saturn Girl, Nova (current), Gilgamesh, Drax The Destroyer, IsisTop Tier
Hulk, Mandarin, Ultron, Vision, Hercules, Aquaman, Doom, Mimic (Exiles), Sasquatch, Karate Kid, Pitt, Kalibak, Ironman, Storm, Invisible Woman, Metallo, Mr. Sinister, Box, Cap Marvel Jr, Kang, Grim Reaper, Ulik, Living Laser, Zzaxx, Ultimo, Sand, Ghost Rider II, Abomination, Ares, Juggernaut (Classic) Namor, Gamora, Plastic-manMid-Tier
Colossus, Thing, Starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Maul, Ms. Marvel, Blastaar, Captain Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wonder Girl, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Omega Red, Beast Boy, Box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Bishop, Crystal, Electro, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Emma Frost, Firehawk, Bombshell, Black Canary, Steel, Booster Gold, Psylocke, Rachel Summers, Nico Minoru, Death's Head II, Northstar, Aurora, Vance Astro, Tombstone, Klaw, Radioactive Man, Modok, Jenny Sparks, Elijah Snow, Ambrose Chase, Jakita Wagner, Terra, Blink, Blue Devil Morlun, Blob, Juggernaut(Depowered), Darkstar, Century, Rom, Vanguard, Charcoal, Balder, Machine Man, Moonstone, Wizard, Cloak, Kymaera/Namorita, Rage, Black Tarantula, OsirisEnhanced
Wolverine, Killer Croc, Luke Cage, Deathstroke, Spider-Man, Midnighter, Angel, Sabretooth, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spider-Woman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager, Nightcrawler, Creeper, Victor Mancha, Kid Devil, Molly Hayes, Mystique, Puck, Charlie 27, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Puma, BlackLash, Swift, Shang Chi, 3-D man, Triathalon, Bane, Longshot, Falcon, Protocide, Constrictor, Speedball, Dagger, BladeStreet
Batman, Daredevil, Nightwing, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Green Arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Punisher, Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, White Tiger, Deadshot, Lady Shiva, Talia, The Question, Baron Zemo, Batroc, Crossbones, Red Skull, Night Thrasher
Sub-Skyfather
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), Onslaught, Gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary, Eclipso, Elders of the Universe -- minus Ego, Circe, Blackheart, Death Urge, Black Racer, Tanaraq, Nightmare, Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Sun Eater, King Thor, Amazo, Takion, Fernus, Stayne, Superboy Prime, Resurrection Man 1 Million
Transcendent
Morg, Terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Thor, Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Orion, Infinity-Man, Superman, Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Doomsday, Binary, Mon-El, Stardust, Eradicator, Firelord, Martian Manhunter, FernusSupreme (Leifeld), Genis-Vell, Red Shift, Waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, Alex Nero, Wildfire, Rachel Grey (Phoenix II), Skeets, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Captain Marvel, (DC), General Zod, Hyperion, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Lobo, Magneto, Captain Atom, Apocalypse, Graviton, Sersi, Nate Grey, Holocaust, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Mar-Vell, Breach, He-Man, Raven, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Invincible, Shaman, Vulcan, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Union, Prime, Gorilla Grodd, Hector Hammond, Dr. Polaris, Maxima, Mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Selene (External), Jericho, Ronan the Accuser, Super Skrull, Bizarro, Manchester Black, Major Force, Red Tornado, The Ray, Cir-El, Cassandra Nova, Miss Martian, Meggan, Tempest, Apollo, Professor X, Absorbing Man, Graviton, Monica Rambeau (Captain Marvel), Shadow King, Loki, Death Metal, Starhawk, Lunatik, Count Nefaria, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Etrigan, Lightray, Firestorm (Ronnie/Jason), Absorbing Man, Iceman, Darwin, Saturn Girl, Nova (current), Gilgamesh, Drax The Destroyer, Isis
Top Tier
Hulk, Mandarin, Ultron, Vision, Hercules, Aquaman, Doom, Mimic (Exiles), Sasquatch, Karate Kid, Pitt, Kalibak, Ironman, Storm, Invisible Woman, Metallo, Mr. Sinister, Box, Cap Marvel Jr, Kang, Grim Reaper, Ulik, Living Laser, Zzaxx, Ultimo, Sand, Ghost Rider II, Abomination, Ares, Juggernaut (Classic) Namor, Gamora, Plastic-man
Meta-Tier
Colossus, Thing, Starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Maul, Ms. Marvel, Blastaar, Captain Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wonder Girl, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Omega Red, Beast Boy, Box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Bishop, Crystal, Electro, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Emma Frost, Firehawk, Bombshell, Black Canary, Steel, Booster Gold, Psylocke, Rachel Summers, Nico Minoru, Death's Head II, Northstar, Aurora, Vance Astro, Tombstone, Klaw, Radioactive Man, Modok, Jenny Sparks, Elijah Snow, Ambrose Chase, Jakita Wagner, Terra, Blink, Blue Devil Morlun, Blob, Juggernaut(Depowered), Darkstar, Century, Rom, Vanguard, Charcoal, Balder, Machine Man, Moonstone, Wizard, Cloak, Kymaera/Namorita, Rage, Black Tarantula, Osiris
Enhanced
Wolverine, Killer Croc, Luke Cage, Deathstroke, Spider-Man, Midnighter, Angel, Sabretooth, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spider-Woman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager, Nightcrawler, Creeper, Victor Mancha, Kid Devil, Molly Hayes, Mystique, Puck, Charlie 27, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Puma, BlackLash, Swift, Shang Chi, 3-D man, Triathalon, Bane, Longshot, Falcon, Protocide, Constrictor, Speedball, Dagger, Blade
Street
Batman, Daredevil, Nightwing, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Green Arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Punisher, Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, White Tiger, Deadshot, Lady Shiva, Talia, The Question, Baron Zemo, Batroc, Crossbones, Red Skull, Night Thrasher
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on account of the nearly unprecedented bitching, and because i'm on the verge of one of the rare times where i actually lose my patience on this usually enjoyable forum, i have eliminated sub-herald and amalgamated the herald/sub-herald into transcendent. (thanks mindship -- that's perfect! 🙂 )
the list is most certainly LESS accurate than it was, and most certainly there are individuals -- many of them -- who are nowhere close to others in that level and who would in fact lose an effortless 10/10 to many within that same level. there is now a very wide range from top to bottom in the transcendent level, alas, the bitching is ready to make me say things i shouldn't, so i will leave it at that. congrats to all of you who so desperately needed a character moved up. they are up.
hope you all sleep well. 😉
Sub-Skyfather
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Dr. Fate, Ion (current), The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), Onslaught, Gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus, High Evolutionary, Eclipso, Elders of the Universe -- minus Ego, Circe, Blackheart, Death Urge, Black Racer, Tanaraq, Nightmare, Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Sun Eater, King Thor, Amazo, Takion, Fernus, Stayne, Superboy Prime, Resurrection Man 1 Million
Transcendent
Morg, Terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Thor, Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Orion, Infinity-Man, Superman, Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Doomsday, Binary, Mon-El, Stardust, Eradicator, Firelord, Martian Manhunter, FernusSupreme (Leifeld), Genis-Vell, Red Shift, Waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Spartan 3.0, Void, Alex Nero, Wildfire, Rachel Grey (Phoenix II), Skeets, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Captain Marvel, (DC), General Zod, Hyperion, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Lobo, Magneto, Captain Atom, Apocalypse, Graviton, Sersi, Nate Grey, Holocaust, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Mar-Vell, Breach, He-Man, Raven, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Invincible, Shaman, Vulcan, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Union, Prime, Gorilla Grodd, Hector Hammond, Dr. Polaris, Maxima, Mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Selene (External), Jericho, Ronan the Accuser, Super Skrull, Bizarro, Manchester Black, Major Force, Red Tornado, The Ray, Cir-El, Cassandra Nova, Miss Martian, Meggan, Tempest, Apollo, Professor X, Absorbing Man, Graviton, Monica Rambeau (Captain Marvel), Shadow King, Loki, Death Metal, Starhawk, Lunatik, Count Nefaria, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Etrigan, Lightray, Firestorm (Ronnie/Jason), Absorbing Man, Iceman, Darwin, Saturn Girl, Nova (current), Gilgamesh, Drax The Destroyer, Isis
Top Tier
Hulk, Mandarin, Ultron, Vision, Hercules, Aquaman, Doom, Mimic (Exiles), Sasquatch, Karate Kid, Pitt, Kalibak, Ironman, Storm, Invisible Woman, Metallo, Mr. Sinister, Box, Cap Marvel Jr, Kang, Grim Reaper, Ulik, Living Laser, Zzaxx, Ultimo, Sand, Ghost Rider II, Abomination, Ares, Juggernaut (Classic) Namor, Gamora, Plastic-man
Meta-Tier
Colossus, Thing, Starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Maul, Ms. Marvel, Blastaar, Captain Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wonder Girl, Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Omega Red, Beast Boy, Box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, Aegis, Mary Marvel, Bishop, Crystal, Electro, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Emma Frost, Firehawk, Bombshell, Black Canary, Steel, Booster Gold, Psylocke, Rachel Summers, Nico Minoru, Death's Head II, Northstar, Aurora, Vance Astro, Tombstone, Klaw, Radioactive Man, Modok, Jenny Sparks, Elijah Snow, Ambrose Chase, Jakita Wagner, Terra, Blink, Blue Devil Morlun, Blob, Juggernaut(Depowered), Darkstar, Century, Rom, Vanguard, Charcoal, Balder, Machine Man, Moonstone, Wizard, Cloak, Kymaera/Namorita, Rage, Black Tarantula, Osiris
Enhanced
Wolverine, Killer Croc, Luke Cage, Deathstroke, Spider-Man, Midnighter, Angel, Sabretooth, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, Orka Humbug, Spider-Woman, Arachne, Arana, Kingpin, Silver Samurai, Ravager, Nightcrawler, Creeper, Victor Mancha, Kid Devil, Molly Hayes, Mystique, Puck, Charlie 27, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Puma, BlackLash, Swift, Shang Chi, 3-D man, Triathalon, Bane, Longshot, Falcon, Protocide, Constrictor, Speedball, Dagger, Blade, Mr. Freeze
Street
Batman, Daredevil, Nightwing, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Green Arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Elektra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Punisher, Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, Black Cat, Catwoman, Echo, Misty Knight, Coleen Wing, Black Widow, Robin, White Tiger, Deadshot, Lady Shiva, Talia, The Question, Baron Zemo, Batroc, Crossbones, Red Skull, Night Thrasher
I added Mr. Freeze to enhanced.
By the way Leo I think you should have kept Herald and Sub-Herald separate.
Oh well now hopefully some people will quite their whining. 😬
Originally posted by Soljer
❌!The Sub-herald/herald bracket was needed. Eliminating a tier confuses things more so.
I say bring them back. Name them whatever you please, but bring back sub-herald/herald distinction.
Yeah 😬
The Transedent category is far to broad. Xavier and Superman on the same level is just a horrid idea.
Originally posted by Soljer
Nah. Diana is weaker than Superman. Captain Marvel is as strong as Superman.The discrepancy between Diana being stronger than Hercules, and Captain Marvel being as strong as hercules was explained away by saying that there are an infinite number of each 'god.'
Captain Marvel's patron god's aren't the classic gods. They are the 'lords of magic.'
Ah that explains it.
Originally posted by leonidas
__________________________________on account of the nearly unprecedented bitching, and because i'm on the verge of one of the rare times where i actually lose my patience on this usually enjoyable forum, i have eliminated sub-herald and amalgamated the herald/sub-herald into transcendent. (thanks mindship -- that's perfect! 🙂 )
the list is most certainly [b]LESS
accurate than it was, and most certainly there are individuals -- many of them -- who are nowhere close to others in that level and who would in fact lose an effortless 10/10 to many within that same level. there is now a very wide range from top to bottom in the transcendent level, alas, the bitching is ready to make me say things i shouldn't, so i will leave it at that. congrats to all of you who so desperately needed a character moved up. they are up.hope you all sleep well. 😉 [/B]
....less and less faith in the forums.
Anyway, wtf happened? Hopefully this didn't get bitchy (I'm sure it did)...because this was a good thread. So congrats to those of you who f*cked it up with fanboy rhetoric and bashing. When I get the chance I'll read through it all....but right now I can't be bothered.
P.S. Who decided "top tier" was a good idea. The heralds are "top tier"....this current system is just confusing.
I'd like to co-sign with Nvr. Wondy isn't quite Supe's equal in power, but she's close enough that I think she deserves to be listed as herald. She may not beat him for the majority, but she is capable of beating him. And if she's already proven to be a match for Captain Marvel, then that's a hefty endorsement.
and bring back sub-herald. transcendant is too damn wide.
Half the guys in sub-skyfather ARE skyfathers. Blackheart, Thanos, Takion, Stayne, Tyrant, and Circe are all legitimate skyfather levelers.
And thank you for taking Darkseid off sub-skyfather. He's high end skyfather. 😄
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well you can call me ignorant all you want, Superman is a poor Herald lvler if he doesn't do so well against Others that people have as sub Herald lvlers. It's pathetic. He got his ribs broken by someone who he's so far ahead of. It's a shame such a mighty herald lvl being as Superman can't even kill Wonder WOman when he's bloodlusted and she is only trying to defend herself and save him. This mighty herald lvl superman Can't even Out right beat Captain marvel who is only a "sub Herald". Superman must be the weakest Herald on the list going by what our list says. And Zod and Bizarro have the same powers as Superman and are Sub heralds? I"m thinking this list needs some restructuring. Starting with the 2 Strongest Woman in comics. IF the Hulk could move as fast as wonder Woman and Fly, we'd certainly say he is herald lvl. So why isn't she? Sersi has uber powers and is only subherald?
There was absolutely NO indication that she broke his ribs. End of discussion. I'm starring at the Sacrifice arc right now on my lap, and nothing was mentioned of that. It WAS mentioned however that he broke her wrist.
I'm sick of hearing you say that with no justification of it whatsoever. 😂
You guys drove Leo into to quitting on this thread. Congratulations, numbnuts.
In any case, he asked me to take over and thats what I'm going to do since this is still a good idea for a thread and could be useful for the VS. forum (which sucks to be quite honest).
What I'm going to do is re-arrange the list using the system Newjak posted though I'll probably add in a ranking above Top Tier. Would you girls be ok with that?
Originally posted by Newjak
Oh and just because I want to say how I rate power levels.I have three classes that are redivided into three subgroups each.
Top-Tier:
High Top-tier
Middle Top-tier
Low Top-tierMid-Tier:
High Mid-tier
Medium Mid-tier
Low Mid-tierLow-Tier:
High Low-tier
Mid Low-tier
Low Mid-tier