Who better to tier heroes . . .?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Taskmaster is enhanced?

and once again -- the list is NOT perfect. there are grey areas between levels.

on a seperate note: to ADD levels in the hierarchy would just make things more complex and would not necessarily solve any problems. people would just argue someone was HIGH street, instead LOW street . . . if someone WANTS to further subdivide groups, be my guest. a complete, 100% perfect list was not my intent. rather, i wanted to group people who were seen as RELATIVELY similar in overall powersets.

so far, it looks pretty good. i don't think anyone is REALLY out of whack. maybe a person could be a level lower or higher, but pretty good so far, imo.

Originally posted by Validus
Circe being Sub Herald is iffy. She has it all over top tiers.

i wasn't TOTALLY sure, in her case. i recall her kicking ww and black adam's arses, but i thought she was amped, somehow. if you think she could match heralds, you'd prolly know better than me. 😬

SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Darkseid, Dr. Fate, Current Ion, The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus

HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman

SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC)

MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl

ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Vulture, Taskmaster, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat

STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Electra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow

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the current list. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
here are a few for people to try and categorize:

extremis ironman
prof x
emma frost
vandal savage
bane
damage
quicksilver
flash
black tarantula
wendigo
hyperstorm
cobalt blue (flash villain)
zauriel
magenta
shade (DC)
brainiac
hank henshawe
nightcrawler
creeper

lots more out there. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
i wasn't TOTALLY sure, in her case. i recall her kicking ww and black adam's arses, but i thought she was amped, somehow. if you think she could match heralds, you'd prolly know better than me. 😬

SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Darkseid, Dr. Fate, Current Ion, The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus

HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman

SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC)

MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl

ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Vulture, Taskmaster, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat

STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Electra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow

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the current list. 🙂

I would say Darkseid is at least Sky Father. Being sub doesn't make sense sense his main Enemy, High father is a skyfather and had to combine with 4 others just to engage him. I also see Wonder Woman, Dr. Light, and Dr. Polaris in the Sub Herald Catagory. WHat the hell? Wonder Can take a majority against Firelord, Terrax, Nova. and A Few against Even Morg who tends to brawl. Dr. Light and Dr. Polaris. Dr. Polaris can play with the planet's Fields like we play with cards. ANd Dr. light pwns green lanterns. I also see Fernus as a Herald? WHAT? HOw is Supergirl in the Herald Catagory and WW is a Sub Herald? There are almost no DC characters in the sub Skyfather Catagory. And some of them should be there. DS is a sky father. ALan Scott is Herald lvl. Where is the Infinity Man? Waverider? Metron? Desaad? FireStorm Elemental? SOmeone has Circe from DC as Subherald? OMG. WHAT in GODs name? Circe who put a spell over all the sky father's and pantheons of DC. who Got a power boost from Neron after that? Someone please tell me what is going on here?

SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Darkseid, Dr. Fate, Current Ion, The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus

HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman

SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC)

MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, AEGIS

ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, ORKA, HUMBUG, SPIDERWOMAN, ARACHNE, ARANA

STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Electra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, BLACK CAT, CATWOMAN, ECHO, MISTY KNIGHT, SHANG CHI, COLEEN WING, BLACK WIDOW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orka_%28comics%29
Link to Orka

I also see someone has Gog as Subskyfather. Considering that the Kingdom actually exist, We must assume he is retconned back into his original origin of the power of the Quints. When does a sub sky father pierce thru the barriers of hyper time?

Originally posted by Newjak
Oh and just because I want to say how I rate power levels.

I have three classes that are redivided into three subgroups each.

Top-Tier:
High Top-tier: Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer
Middle Top-tier: Superman, Thor
Low Top-tier: Hulk, Juggernaut

Mid-Tier:
High Mid-tier: Ironman, Magneto, Namor
Medium Mid-tier: Thing, Ms Marvel
Low Mid-tier: Venom, Rhino

Low-Tier:
High Low-tier: Deathstroke, Sabertooth, Spiderman
Mid Low-tier: Captain America, Kingpin
Low Mid-tier: Robin, Bucky

Originally posted by Alfheim
That doesnt matter because his feats exceed peak human consistently through the years. DD has been stated as being athletic and his feats exceed athletic also.

Thats not the point. He did reps with 1100 which means his minimum under no duress is 1500. Regardless of wether you think its crap or not that is superhuman strength.

What the **** do you call SSS. Oh yeah and Cap has been described as being enhanced as well.

no he did it once. sayign he rep 1,100 is a lie since he was only shown putting it up once.......

sss makes him peakhuman.........

also when was he described as enchanced.........

Originally posted by leonidas
i'd say low end. he's done well against multiple street folk simultaneously. he had some low showings as well, but in general, when written well, i'd say he's above typical street given his powerset.

Yeah but that still dont make him enhanced. I just thought by def enhanced meant having metal bones are having some arftifical enhancement of some sort. I guess a talent could be enhncement....hell I guess maybe shang chi is enhanced as well.

Originally posted by leonidas

and once again -- the list is NOT perfect. there are grey areas between levels.

on a seperate note: to ADD levels in the hierarchy would just make things more complex and would not necessarily solve any problems. people would just argue someone was HIGH street, instead LOW street . . . if someone WANTS to further subdivide groups, be my guest. a complete, 100% perfect list was not my intent. rather, i wanted to group people who were seen as RELATIVELY similar in overall powersets.

so far, it looks pretty good. i don't think anyone is REALLY out of whack. maybe a person could be a level lower or higher, but pretty good so far, imo.

Its all good. 😄

Originally posted by capt it up

no he did it once. sayign he rep 1,100 is a lie since he was only shown putting it up once.......

Capt you moron when people work out they dont do just one rep they are supposed to do something like 10. You dont go to the Gym and workout on weights by doing one rep.

Thats the third time you called me a liar **** off and dont respond to my posts. I cant be assed to respond to you're other points.

Originally posted by Accel
I actually kind of like this system right here. It seems better organized and more accurate to relative power-levels.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but that still dont make him enhanced. I just thought by def enhanced meant having metal bones are having some arftifical enhancement of some sort. I guess a talent could be enhncement....hell I guess maybe shang chi is enhanced as well.

low enhanced/high street are basically interchangeable. :/

and . . . isn't there some other thread for you 2 guys to bicker in . . .? please. 🙂

OK I see I gotta do a DC listing

Multiversal-
Lucifer,Elaine, GEB, Michael, Mr. Mxy, The Ultimator, The Antimonitor, Imperiex, The Spectre, Kismet, Dominus, Phantom Stranger,The Grandmother Box, Cronos with The Godwave, Parrallax, Ion(Original),The source,Krona,The Word,Sivaa the Destroyer

Universal- Ares with the Godwave, Batmite, Ion 2, Quisp,Trigon, Surtur,The Lords of Order and Chaos Combined

Abstract lvl- The Endless,The Kindly Ones, Mageddon, Yuga Khan, Time Trapper, Mordru, Emerald Eye, Thunder Bolt, Qwisp, Solaris, Geae,Nabu

Entity lvl- High Father, Darkseid, Takion, Stayne, The Unimaginable, The Radiant, Earth Angel Supergirl, Asmodel, Circe, Neron, The Star Conqueror, Nebula Man, The Glimmer, Kingdom Come Flash,Oblivion

Skyfather lvl- Zeus, Odin, Jove, Ares, Hera, Pan, Aphrodite, Dr. Fate,Shazam

Above the Top Tier lvl- Doomsday, General Eiling, Amazo, Despero, Infinity Man, Wave Rider,Fernus Ect. Orion

Herald LVl, Superman, M'Onel, WOnder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Light Ray, Green Lanterns, Captain marvel, Black Adam, Flash, Zuriel, Zatanna, ect

Do the rest later.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but that still dont make him enhanced. I just thought by def enhanced meant having metal bones are having some arftifical enhancement of some sort. I guess a talent could be enhncement....hell I guess maybe shang chi is enhanced as well.

Its all good. 😄

Capt you moron when people work out they dont do just one rep they are supposed to do something like 10. You dont go to the Gym and workout on weights by doing one rep.

Thats the third time you called me a liar **** off and dont respond to my posts. I cant be assed to respond to you're other points.

unless your strength training in which you put up your max........

so again all you have is speculation.

I have caught you lieng before it not like I have not.

also you simply assume capt was doing reps when ti was never stated nor implied.......

n

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
[B]I would say Darkseid is at least Sky Father.

i agree. i never eben noticed him.

Wonder Woman, Dr. Light, and Dr. Polaris in the Sub Herald Catagory. WHat the hell? Wonder Can take a majority against Firelord, Terrax, Nova.

not sure i agree with that . . . she's in the grey area between herald/sub-herald, imo. i could see her fitting in either, to tell the truth.

Dr. Light and Dr. Polaris. Dr. Polaris can play with the planet's Fields like we play with cards. ANd Dr. light pwns green lanterns.

i'm not too sure about either of these guys. i've seen polaris a few times. he and magneto are pretty similar in level, imo. mags is definitely NOT herald. dr light i'm less sure of. beating the lesser lanterns means sub-herald is where he should be. you might be able to make a case for him being low-end herlad. maybe.

Fernus as a Herald? WHAT?

i thought fernus was higher as well . . . 😬

HOw is Supergirl in the Herald Catagory and WW is a Sub Herald?

supergirl should be the same level as ww, imo, but again, the levels are very blurry at the boundaries.

There are almost no DC characters in the sub Skyfather Catagory. And some of them should be there.

like?

ALan Scott is Herald lvl.

that's where he is . . .

Where is the Infinity Man?

in herald . . .

Waverider?

in herald . . .

Metron?

too amorphous. i'd not place him in herald. no real 'power feats' that i'm aware of. no equipment to enhance. these are base levels only.

Desaad?

same as metron. how would desaad do without tech 1on1 with orion . . ? not . . . very well.

FireStorm Elemental?

could be herald, but i know nothing of him, really.

SOmeone has Circe from DC as Subherald? OMG. WHAT in GODs name? Circe who put a spell over all the sky father's and pantheons of DC. who Got a power boost from Neron after that? Someone please tell me what is going on here?

umm, yeah. validus and i were discussing her position already . . .

bro, knowledge is what i need. not screaming. if you see something you think is way off, fix it. and add to it. 🙂

fact matter is capt not in the enchanced level he the top tier street leveler.

also alf I said most of the crap just to piss you off for a little fun.

I actually think capts above peakhuman or rather peakhuman is stronger and faster then people assume.

Originally posted by phillipan
SUB-SKYFATHER
Despero, Thanos, The Keeper, Dr. Strange (Classic), The Doctor, Mangog, Darkseid, Dr. Fate, Current Ion, The General (Shaggy Man), Tyrant (powered down), The Mask, onslaught, gog, Superman 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Validus

HERALD
morg, terrax, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), thor, sentry, Surfer, Adam Warlock, Loki, Gladiator, Quasar, Majestic, Apollo, Graviton, Orion, Infinity-Man, Absorbing Man (sans CIS), Superman, Cpt. Marvel (DC), Superman Blue/Red, Beta Ray Bill, Hyperion, Doomsday, Binary, General Zod, Mon-El, Supergirl, Stardust, Black Adam, Eradicator, Firelord, Original Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Fernus, Supreme (Leifeld), genis-vell, red shift, waverider, The Fallen One, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), Sinestro, Cyborg Superman

SUB-HERALD
magneto, apocalypse, , captain atom, sersi, Nate Grey, Hulk, Mandarin, Holocaust, Ultron, Super Skrull, FP Cable, Black Bolt, Engineer, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Juggernaut, Vision, Mar-vell, Breach, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Raven, Aquaman, Superboy, Animal Man, Darkness, Dr. Doom (w/magic), Wonder Woman, Invincible, Steel, Mimic (Exiles), Shaman, Sasquatch, Vulcan, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Matrix Supergirl, Dr. Light, Pitt, Union, prime, grodd, hector hammond, dr polaris, kalibak, maxima, mongul, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Jade, Green Lantern (Guy/John), Selene (External), Circe (DC)

MID-TIER
ironman, colossus, thing, starfire, Thing, Abomination, Wonder Man, Namor, Ghost Rider, Rogue, Storm, Maul, ms. marvel, Blastaar, Cpt. Britain, Cyborg, Donna Troy, Wondergirl, Gamora, Hawkman/Girl, Invisible Woman, Guardian I, Classic Nova, Deathlok, Speedfreek, She-Hulk, Atom Smasher, War Machine, Human Torch, The Tick, Thunderstrike, Toxin, Lightning Lad, Havok, Mr. Sinister, Omega Red, Beast Boy, metallo, box, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Doc Ock, Venom, Carnage, Atlas, Mister Hyde, Box, Attuma, Thunder, Grace Choi, Shift, Power Girl, AEGIS

ENHANCED
wolverine, killer croc, luke cage, deathstroke, spider-man, Midnighter, angel, sabertooth, Morlun, Beast, Cyclops, Drizzt Do'Urden, Bruenor Battlehammer, Wulfgar, Azrael, Lady Deathstrike, Iron Fist, Beast, Bullseye, Gambit, Taskmaster, Vulture, Mysterio, Vermin, Man-Bat, ORKA, HUMBUG, SPIDERWOMAN, ARACHNE, ARANA

STREET
batman, daredevil, nightwing, hawkeye, moon-knight, Green arrow, Captain America, Swift, Grifter, Turok, Wildcat, Taskmaster, Electra, Batgirl, Black Panther, Nick Fury, Mystique, Punisher, joker, penguin, riddler, Nomad, Nuke, Ra's Al Ghul, Arsenal/Red Arrow, BLACK CAT, CATWOMAN, ECHO, MISTY KNIGHT, SHANG CHI, COLEEN WING, BLACK WIDOW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orka_%28comics%29
Link to Orka

nice additions. 👆 thanks for the link. 🙂

Ok as far as Metron goes, He's at least Herald LvL. Batman had to trick him in order to get him to give up his divinity to knock him out. Desaad is above the Top tier. He can impersonate DS so well that none of us even knew it was him. Firestorm Elemental is Herald lvl or better. I'd say slightly Better. Infinity man is above herald lvl. he makes Superman look like a child. Most of the New Gods are at least Herald lvl if not better. There are two new Gods who are 2nd only to DS on the Evil Side. Devilance and Mantis. Light Ray showed us that he can amp up to compete with Takion for a bit when he needs to. Orion is able to hurt entity/abstract lvl beings. WOnderWOman stalemates Captain Marvel so she definitely is Herald LVL. That's all for now. I have to think some more.

Herald level doesn't exist. Herald class does, however.

I think Infinityman is being overrated a tad.

What makes him more powerful than herald levellers?

Wonderwoman isn't herald level, imo because she's too defensive in her powerset.She is top tier though, just middle top tier imo.

Same for Cap Marvel, but he's top tier.

Orion is herald level, due to the motherbox standard equipment.

Superman isn't herald level, but he is top tier.

Lightray isn't on the level of these other guys consistently. He's herald class, but not top tier.

Firestorm Elemental is good, but he's done nothing to earn an above the top tier power rating.

Darkseid is a skyfather in standing, but all skyfathers weren't created equal.

Genis Vell is above the top tier imo. As is Fernus.

Desaad is a cruel and sadistic character, but he doesn't make for fights. He's not applicable to this ranking.

If Magneto isn't herald level, neither is Dr.Light or Dr.Polaris. He messed with the planets field too, but he's below them in power.

Heralds and top tiers aren't the same thing people.

Heralds are like the kids who took chemistry, and apply what they know.
Top tiers are the jocks of the comic industry.
Some heralds can go back and forth, ala Surfer or Stardust, but top tier isn't automatically synomous with herald class.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Herald level doesn't exist. Herald class does, however.

I think Infinityman is being overrated a tad.

What makes him more powerful than herald levellers?

Wonderwoman isn't herald level, imo because she's too defensive in her powerset.She is top tier though, just middle top tier imo.

Same for Cap Marvel, but he's top tier.

Orion is herald level, due to the motherbox standard equipment.

Superman isn't herald level, but he is top tier.

Lightray isn't on the level of these other guys consistently. He's herald class, but not top tier.

Firestorm Elemental is good, but he's done nothing to earn an above the top tier power rating.

Darkseid is a skyfather in standing, but all skyfathers weren't created equal.

Genis Vell is above the top tier imo. As is Fernus.

Desaad is a cruel and sadistic character, but he doesn't make for fights. He's not applicable to this ranking.

If Magneto isn't herald level, neither is Dr.Light or Dr.Polaris. He messed with the planets field too, but he's below them in power.

Heralds and top tiers aren't the same thing people.

Heralds are like the kids who took chemistry, and apply what they know.
Top tiers are the jocks of the comic industry.
Some heralds can go back and forth, ala Surfer or Stardust, but top tier isn't automatically synomous with herald class.

First of all. Wonder Woman is Herald LVL. she has too many powers going for her and the ability to pull more out of her ass due to her divinical nature. Magneto is Herald lvl for sure. ANyone who can affect Small Celestial Bodies, Continents or Even planets is Herald LVL. This would go for Magneto, Thor, SUperman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter and Dr. Light. Infinity Man has the infinibeams which pwn anything. They go thru everything. They would cut surfer open like a tin can to a can opener. He is most definitely above the top tier or even herald lvl. Orion can do things no Herald can do. Blasting away galaxies and Hurting Cosmic Juggernauts like the star conqueror put him above the heralds. THe mother box just adds to it. We will have to disagree. And DS is well above any skyfather in that he can simply take thier power and thier entire panetheon and add it to his own. PS, Wonder Woman has hands down the best Reflexes in comics History. If Flash is Herald lvl due to speed, should she be there anyway seeing as her reflexes are just as good when it comes to close body contact? ANd Superman lvl strength, Magical weapons and the only plot device in comics with no resistance.

Wait, Captain Atom is Sub-Herald?