Originally posted by Rutog98
No, it does not. Anywhoo, the point is moot. Notice that she is flying in the air with the building ABOVE her.
She is flying, the building and it's foundation I'm afraid isn't. There's part of the buildings foundation to the left and to the right of her which extends all the way BELOW her aswell. They're are even debris lying on the ground below her.(Remember Johnny exited on the basement level) She braced the building with her winds.
Originally posted by Rutog98
No, it does not. Anywhoo, the point is moot. Notice that she is flying in the air with the building ABOVE her.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
What? Where? The last page? She's looking at him through a gap.Basically you hate that I'm not gullible enough to believe your wacky take on all these scans. Got it.
She even states that her winds are supporting the building and that her winds can also level mountains.
In regards to your second comment, its not a point of your being gullible or not. You just won't except facts. That's all. That's okay too because I will not be moved on my position. I know that I'm right and I know that there are many posters reading these "Storm" theads and are learning a lot about the character's powers and abilities that they did not know before. These debates are fun for me (as I hope they are for you and the others who participate as well) and I will continue to give you "what for"! 😉 😄
You're saying I have fanciful interpretations, right? Throw me some examples of this. I will give you some explanation. If you bring up the reality control thing and creating vibranium adamantium thing, I made those claims since you people are making FAR more extreme claims for other characters (like Magneto) than that would be for Storm. Those claims I made (though I really think she could do it, I normally would not make them, but I was motivated to by what you guys post on other characters) fit more logically into Storm's power set than Magneto being able to best her. His energies actually strengthen Storm. She absorbs the same energies he controls plus other forces that he does not control and grows stronger. On one occassion, it triggered an evolution into Rougestorm. She has channeled the energies of celestial bodies, channeled the energies of storms etc at MUCH greater quantities than Magneto can produce at any given time. So his energies really can't hurt her while hers can definately hurt him and she wields far greater quantities than he. She could literally overpower him with energy blasts. Her winds alone could do it if she throws what she did against Sienna.
Originally posted by Rutog98
LOL! In that case, you're the one being fanciful.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
There's nothing, by definition, fanciful about the way I think of Storm though, [b]hence why our stances differ. You two come up with the most over the top explanations for her powers while I think of the simplest explanations using straightforward caption reading. [/B]
Actually, I think you mean the reverse here with me using the simplest explanation and straightforward caption readings and you struggling to come up with ways to twist and warp the spirit of the canon to rob from the character he due.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Actually, I think you mean the reverse here with me using the simplest explanation and straightforward caption readings and you struggling to come up with ways to twist and warp the spirit of the canon to rob from the character he due.
Wait, simple? All your "simple" explanations are so extreme... I can't even begin to describe how stupid it would make Storm on a regular basis.
But seriously: Motive? I just read what I see on the caption and come to my conclusion. You two, on the other hand, seem to have a ton of time and yourselves invested in Storm. You two would have more to gain by hyping her up than I would "struggling" to downplay a character that has almost no significance to me.
Denial is damn near LIMITLESS in the human mind.
Some people just think they're smart, and once they make their minds up about something/someone, that's it. Some people don't like to be wrong.
I can only speak for me here and say, there's nothing I've asserted that cannot be substantiated.
People seem to STRUGGLE against Storm not just being a weather manipulator when canon and feats state otherwise. Whereas Magneto can be granted the power of being the Unified Field Theory incarnate when it is not so.
People can't grasp Storm, or should I say WON'T grasp Storm, yet they can grasp the most RIDICULOUS, abstract concepts about these other people that have zero continuity sometimes.
It's denial. It knows no bounds. It's denial of the fact that the nature of Storms powers, as seen, explained, and fully realized, grant her infinite powers. People don;t want to face that about Ororo whom they've put in a nice neat little compartment of "Weather manipulation".
Weather maipulations entails ALOOOOOOOOOT of stuff, especially the way Storm activates her powers.
It's a bitter pill guys😘
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Is it weird that I'm always up to answer these?Apparently so is the capacity for producing paragraphs of irony and hypocrisy.
Case in point 😘
Nothing that I've said is unsubstaniated by the comics and common sense. People use Straw man arguments to keep from facing proof in canon about strom. Some would rather just write it off.
Swanky, I won't even get into the logical fallacies you employ.😘
2cloud, you're not really the intellectual juggernaut you think you are. I doubt you could make it to the end of a ham sandwich, let alone force someone to their wits end. Well, unless it's from frustration trying to get a point across.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Case in point 😘Nothing that I've said is unsubstaniated by the comics and common sense. People use Straw man arguments to keep from facing proof in canon about strom. Some would rather just write it off.
Swanky, I won't even get into the logical fallacies you employ.😘
You even tried to stretch and claim Storm's powers work through a theory that is not only based on not making comprehensible sense but also not even a method in which powers can work.
This alone proves you're grasping and searching for the highest, most complex explanation behind Storm's that you can vaguely scratch the surface of to make her seem more powerful than she actually is.
It's that god in the gaps thing whoever brought up earlier. Thank you, earlier person.
And you begin your response with one(ad hominem)😆
That quantum mechanics was followed by "(I think)". Some people employed a staw man argument.
Straw Man
Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
Quote an opponent's words out of context -- i.e., choose quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy).
Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.
Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, and pretend that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
Oversimplify a person's argument into a simple analogy, which can then be attacked.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
🙄You went to your wits end and still haven't proved anything that counters MY assertions with regard to Storm.
Storm is much slower, much less resilient, has far less stamina, is nowhere near as smart, has not anywhere near the versatility, does not possess sufficient power to breech Magneto's shields, cannot control her own acknowledged and accepted powerset (not the delusions of grandeur you're suffering under, on her behalf) to a finer degree than Magneto could and essentially is severely out of her league.
put Storm up against Spiderman or Rogue or some nice regular character like that and it'll be an interesting confrontation. against Magneto, it'd just be senseless.
Magneto's better than the whole X-men team. Storm is but a member 🙂.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
And you begin your response with one(ad hominem)😆
That quantum mechanics was followed by "(I think)". Some people employed a staw man argument.
I just had a funny side thought. Grasping at straws - straw man. Get it?! Haha, that's bad.
Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
I just realized just wikied up the phrase you oh so love to throw around, "grasping at straws", and just copied and pasted what you saw thinking it held relevance.
Oversimplify a person's argument into a simple analogy, which can then be attacked.
Sometimes they're to show something isn't as powerful as you make them out to be, like the Jupiter thing. Jupiter's atmosphere really is as pressurized as a car tire. The killer pressure you always talk about is in the actual mass of the planet, not the atmosphere. And a 20 psi nuke really does have about the same psi as a racing tire, which is a little under inflated for traction.
Your counter point to Magneto hitting her with metal shards was Storm could protect adequately protect herself with winds of the same caliber as the denser atmosphere of Jupiter or a 20 psi nuke was it not? And my counter point was an average person can pierce those pressures with a steak knife.
More to the point, the only reason that works against bullets or rock is because they are easily robbed of their momentum, or quickly torn into smaller portions, and redirected. It's not that case with my hat to the face argument as the momentum will be constant.
Originally posted by Rutog98
She even states that her winds are supporting the building and that her winds can also level mountains.
Yeah the word "support" also works in my favour. She's supporting the building with her winds, bracing the building(Includes foundation) with her winds = supporting the building.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
People seem to STRUGGLE against Storm not just being a weather manipulator when canon and feats state otherwise. Whereas Magneto can be granted the power of being the Unified Field Theory incarnate when it is not so.People can't grasp Storm, or should I say WON'T grasp Storm, yet they can grasp the most RIDICULOUS, abstract concepts about these other people that have zero continuity sometimes.
Interesting point, here's something more interesting:
Had Morrison not f*cked up his run on New X-Men you'd have a Magneto who manipulates gravity almost as well as he manipulates electromagnetism. Including one that's suppose to have a black hole for a head. Unified Field Theory be damned. Even to this day Morrison still says Xorn = Magneto. However Marvel >> Morrison. Just like Marvel >> Claremont.