Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
My point was a physicist isn't the authority on any physical effect on another object.
Ok again, it depends on the cogency of the question. What phsyical affect would you be asking about depends on how authoratative the source is. 🙄
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
You were so close. The effect of wind on a building. Heck, maybe an architect would of been just as good. This is stuff they have to deal with all the time.This is all extremely off topic.
Once again, are you saying an architect and Meterologist are more authoratative with regard to aerodynamics, terminal velocity, density drag, mass, weight etc with regards to wind forces on an object than Physicist??? 😕
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I imagine to make them better and understanding the effects of weather. Exactly my point, thank you.
Ok, what aspects of the weather would Physics be helpful to a meterologist in??? Would a Physicist be more authoratative on said aspect??
Why or why not??
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She'll blind him with a snowstorm, while blocking his telepathy and Cosmic awareness, then hit him with magic wind... giving her the win.Even though Surfer can casually asplode planets.
Damn. I forgot about her Skyfather-level abilities.
Good to see you again, xmarks. It's been noticably less-intelligent around here lately. 😉
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She not only lifted the building, she did it in such a way that it didn't even crumble or lose structural integrity.
That right there is the reason people say you over analyze and TWIST things in comics.
Be honest do you REALLY think the writer was thinking at all about storm making sure to keep the building intact?
NO he wasnt. I didnt think of that that and Im sure no one but you noticed that. It was simply easier to draw a building that way.
And for the record that thing was no skyscraper it has five floors.
Count Em.
How does it make you two feel that storm would have lost to Johnny if he had gone all out?
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I wish I had a decent picture of a crowd swaying their lighters to respond with.
Yea, it was a cool post.
The premise seems to be that we should "temper" our view of her because she can't reallistically do the things being stated about her even though it's canon which is supposedly proof on this forum 🙄
It's similar to how you argue.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Ok again, it depends on the cogency of the question.
Once again, are you saying an architect and Meterologist are more authoratative with regard to aerodynamics, terminal velocity, density drag, mass, weight etc with regards to wind forces on an object than Physicist??? 😕
Ok, what aspects of the weather would Physics be helpful to a meterologist in??? Would a Physicist be more authoratative on said aspect??Why or why not??
Originally posted by phillipan
That right there is the reason people say you over analyze and TWIST things in comics.Be honest do you REALLY think the writer was thinking at all about storm making sure to keep the building intact?
NO he wasnt. I didnt think of that that and Im sure no one but you noticed that. It was simply easier to draw a building that way.And for the record that thing was no skyscraper it has five floors.
Count Em.How does it make you two feel that storm would have lost to Johnny if he had gone all out?
So you know what's going on in the writer's head?? 😘
I'm going by what I SEE. The building did not crumble. That's it.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm controls lightning better than Magneto.In the issue where he overpowered Phoenix, Storm overpowered him. CC said in an interview that Storm and Phoenix were rivalling in power.
I have let you guys get away with the nuke thing too much. I am going to call you on it now. Somebody post a scan. From what I remember, Rogue and Magneto were talking in the air while *HE* was carrying a couple of nukes with him to arm his base. The army shot a missile and hit Rogue. Rogue would have fallen to her death, but Magneto saved her. If I remember correctly, it was Magneto who fired the nuke in retaliation. We did not see him explode the nuke or anything. He could have sent it away from him (gone one direction and sent the nuke the other direction) and made it explode from a safe distance. I believe this is from X-Men issue 1, 2 or 3 or something. Anywhoo, it has been a long time since I have read the story. Can somebody post scans where Magneto withstood nukes?
In regards to the low in blast from Galactus, Cyclops has done more impressive blasts than that. That blast did not do much damage at all and Magneto did not even have Galactus' attention. It was like one of us just walking down the street and casually shooing away a fly that was buzzing around us. Well, even less than that since Magneto did not even have that much attention from Galactus. I think Jubilee on average throws stronger blasts than what Galactus threw.
Hold on. I got all the scans you need. Give me a sec, and sorry for taking so long. I forgot I was in this thread.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Yeah, this one is a little screwy. Still, analogy aside, a physicist isn't the top tier of knowledge on every subject involving physical interaction.
🙄 We're Not talking about every subject of physical interaction. We're talking about wind as it related to lifting an object, specifically wind speed and/or force.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Not just any object. A building. Yes. It is their job, while a physicist many never have to deal with the same issue. While the two may take learn the same material as the one, the architect and meteorologist would be more specialized in the effects on buildings.
Ok, so architects build things. Meterologist study weather, one aspect of which are winds. 😕
Again, what specifically makes an architect and meterologist more authoratative on how wind specifically interacts with objects than Physicists who study aerodynamics, terminal velocity, mass etc.
You have given me nothing other than "It's their job". 😘
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaYeesh, it's like I'm taking a quiz except with more typos. I really can't think of anything off hand. A physicist may understand the principals behind it all but it's a meteorologist's specialty.
This response is foolish. It basically gives no specifics to support your point. You have no evidence whatsoever, just as in the last two points quoted.
You need to re-evaluate the nature of the question being asked--What wind speeds would lift a skysraper??
Originally posted by 2damnloud
🙄 We're Not talking about everyt subject of physical interaction. We're talking about wind as it related to lifting an object, specifically wind speed and/or force.
Allow me to dumb down my reply for you, "Oh, so a physicist is an expert on every interaction under the sun? Last I heard, that wasn't high on their 'to-do' list."
Ok, so architects build things. Meterologist study weather, one aspect of which is winds. 😕Again, what specifically makes an architect and meterologist more authoratative on how wind specifically interacts with objects than Physicists who study aerodynamics, terminal velocity, mass etc.
You have given me nothing other than "It's their job".
This response is foolish. It basically gives no specifics to support your point. You have no evidence whatsoever, just as in the last two points quoted.You need to re-evaluate the nature of the question being asked--What wind speeds would lift a skysraper??
^🙄
You refuse to be WORNG.
You wrote off a physicist having any knowledge of winds forces on objects. That was DUMB.
You still have yet to point of any specifics as to WHY an architect or a meterologist is more authoriatative than someone who studies aerodynamics terminal velocity, density etc
The only rationale you've given is "it's their specialty", "It's their job".
Please🙄
I think you mainly made that foolish point to cut Rutog98 off at the the pass. If he did bring up any specifics about what the Physicist said, you had already written it off as basically not authoratative. When I asked you why you just gave bs reasons with no specifics.
You said yourself said Meterologist study sub-fields called "atmospheric Physics". It's PHYSICS none the less.
Architects study a portion of Physics as well as geometry etc.
How are the two more authoratative than someone with a Doctorate in the whole of what they study in a small portion??
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Let's just move on from this. You obviously can't give a substantial answer so.....
I notice you addressed my post by saying that you felt i was asking you to temper you opinions on Storm with a little realism. And then you went to on to say that because it was in the comics, it must be canon.
First of all, please re-read my post. I agreed with you there. If it was in the comics, i can completely understand why it is seen as canon. Maybe i am misinterpreting you there, but it almost looked like you dismissed my post purely because you thought i was suggesting what Storm had done in the past wasn't canon. Not the case.
But what i was asking you, which you have so far failed to answer in any of the threads i have written in (not including this one) is why she has been tagged before, sneaked up on, hit by blasts, has to concentrate to do more than one thing....etc. Because let me just say this in a slightly flippant tone - THAT WAS CANON TOO.
And once again, that is why i am pointing out the inconsistency in comics. If Storm is as all powerful as the "canon issues" show, then why does she ever fail?
Once again, before you go back over the same argument, i'm not disputing that what she has done is or isn't canon. So please don't respond in that way. It doesn't address my question. And if you don't answer the questions i asked in my previous post, then i guess i am gonna have to quote you in what you wrote just above.....
Originally posted by yestinchong
I notice you addressed my post by saying that you felt i was asking you to temper you opinions on Storm with a little realism. And then you went to on to say that because it was in the comics, it must be canon.First of all, please re-read my post. I agreed with you there. If it was in the comics, i can completely understand why it is seen as canon. Maybe i am misinterpreting you there, but it almost looked like you dismissed my post purely because you thought i was suggesting what Storm had done in the past wasn't canon. Not the case.
But what i was asking you, which you have so far failed to answer in any of the threads i have written in (not including this one) is why she has been tagged before, sneaked up on, hit by blasts, has to concentrate to do more than one thing....etc. Because let me just say this in a slightly flippant tone - THAT WAS CANON TOO.
And once again, that is why i am pointing out the inconsistency in comics. If Storm is as all powerful as the "canon issues" show, then why does she ever fail?
Once again, before you go back over the same argument, i'm not disputing that what she has done is or isn't canon. So please don't respond in that way. It doesn't address my question. And if you don't answer the questions i asked in my previous post, then i guess i am gonna have to quote you in what you wrote just above.....
Why is anyone tagged, really?? 😕
Does her being "tagged" really negate anything that has been stated about her powers??
It really goes back to that kinda logical fallacy Swanky_Tuna uses--"If storm can do A then why doesn't she do B??" etc. etc.
You're basically asking this question in the context of a comicbook with plots. I mean again, why does ANYONE get tagged.??
You're above quote is on the premise of a Straw man(a misrepresentation of my stance). I've never stated Storm to be infalable.
I base my summation of Storm's abilities on continuity.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She'll blind him with a snowstorm, while blocking his telepathy and Cosmic awareness, then hit him with magic wind... giving her the win.Even though Surfer can casually asplode planets.
Maybe he will shoot a cosmic blast at her and she turns his energies back upon him?? 😄 Even to turn her into a toaster, he would have to exert some kind of energy, I would think. What if she turned it back upon him and he turns himself into a toaster? 😄
LOL, I'm not being serious with this post. Honestly, I just can't wait to see what happens. Go, Storm, go!
Originally posted by yestinchong
I notice you addressed my post by saying that you felt i was asking you to temper you opinions on Storm with a little realism. And then you went to on to say that because it was in the comics, it must be canon.First of all, please re-read my post. I agreed with you there. If it was in the comics, i can completely understand why it is seen as canon. Maybe i am misinterpreting you there, but it almost looked like you dismissed my post purely because you thought i was suggesting what Storm had done in the past wasn't canon. Not the case.
But what i was asking you, which you have so far failed to answer in any of the threads i have written in (not including this one) is why she has been tagged before, sneaked up on, hit by blasts, has to concentrate to do more than one thing....etc. Because let me just say this in a slightly flippant tone - THAT WAS CANON TOO.
And once again, that is why i am pointing out the inconsistency in comics. If Storm is as all powerful as the "canon issues" show, then why does she ever fail?
Once again, before you go back over the same argument, i'm not disputing that what she has done is or isn't canon. So please don't respond in that way. It doesn't address my question. And if you don't answer the questions i asked in my previous post, then i guess i am gonna have to quote you in what you wrote just above.....
This is why on this board we don't go by PIS. In other words, given Ororo's powers, those instances where she is sneaked upon is PIS.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
You wrote off a physicist having any knowledge of winds forces on objects. That was DUMB.
I'm not talking about wind on objects, I'm talking wind on buildings.
You still have yet to point of any specifics as to WHY an architect or a meterologist is more authoriatative than someone who studies aerodynamics terminal velocity, density etcThere's nothing wrong with that answer. What makes a physicist an expert on weather? Nothing. Even though I still don't disagree with the guy's conclusion, I have little reason to believe him over anyone else. Sure, he might specialize in studying wind tunnel effects but it's not quite the same. I'd be more likely to take the word of the guy with no degree but has been chasing tornadoes for 15 years, as long as there's proof he's not a yahoo, because I know he's had a lot of experience with that kind of thing.The only rationale you've given is "it's their specialty", "It's their job".
Please🙄
I think you mainly made that foolish point to cut Rutog98 off at the the pass. If he did bring up any specifics about what the Physicist said, you had already written it off as basically not authoratative. When I asked you why you just gave bs reasons with no specifics.
You said yourself said Meterologist study sub-fields called "atmospheric Physics". It's PHYSICS none the less.
Architects study a portion of Physics as well as geometry etc.
How are the two more authoratative than someone with a Doctorate in the whole of what they study in a small portion??
Originally posted by Rutog98
This is why on this board we don't go by PIS. In other words, given Ororo's powers, those instances where she is sneaked upon is PIS.