BTW This the forum where you asked Claremont the question?
http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?p=1332879#post1332879
BTW This the forum where you asked Claremont the question?
http://x-mencomics.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?p=1332879#post1332879
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
One what? I don't really mention anything that one can respond with.That "straw man" was you. The fact that you even tried finding a connection proves you were looking for overly complex methods to use for Storm. That is my point. You tried to do it.
I just had a funny side thought. Grasping at straws - straw man. Get it?! Haha, that's bad.
I think you have to look at your own posts for this one. For every point I've made you've either (in order of most used to least used I believe): A) Missed it, B) Replied then dismissed the topic as if you completely refuted, or C) Replied with some extra stipulation you've added to my argument.
I just realized just wikied up the phrase you oh so love to throw around, "grasping at straws", and just copied and pasted what you saw thinking it held relevance.
The analogies are more to explain my points better. It seems I've yet to make one simple enough to describe my actual point in any given case.
Sometimes they're to show something isn't as powerful as you make them out to be, like the Jupiter thing. Jupiter's atmosphere really is as pressurized as a car tire. The killer pressure you always talk about is in the actual mass of the planet, not the atmosphere. And a 20 psi nuke really does have about the same psi as a racing tire, which is a little under inflated for traction.
Your counter point to Magneto hitting her with metal shards was Storm could protect adequately protect herself with winds of the same caliber as the denser atmosphere of Jupiter or a 20 psi nuke was it not? And my counter point was an average person can pierce those pressures with a steak knife.
More to the point, the only reason that works against bullets or rock is because they are easily robbed of their momentum, or quickly torn into smaller portions, and redirected. It's not that case with my hat to the face argument as the momentum will be constant.
Straw Man is a fallacious argument.
Example:
me: Storm can control he forces of the universe through the viewing of energy patterns. This is how she can control celestial energies as well.
poster: 2damnloud says storm is a cosmic being.
The above is an example of- Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
Now, all assertions about Storm by me can be subsequently written off.
The quantum mechanics thing was a misrepresentation of my stance on how Storm's powers work. I wrote "I think" which indicated I didn't really know therefore I didn't really make an assertion to begin with. Now It can be attacked and refuted on the basis that I made the assertion.
You often use the fallacious argument of "If Storm can do A, why is she not doing B? If she's not doing B, then she can't do A. Therefore the original assertion that she can do A is false since she's not doing B". It's pretty broken logic 😆 It's actually a couple fallacies wraped into one.
I've been over the tire thing. Go and learn about "overpressure" Bast waves and how PSI works at it relates to the WIND in the ATMOSPHERE and not a damn tire. 😘
Originally posted by boriquaking55
Being able to control the entire electromagnetic spectrum, Magneto is essentially what Storm wishes she could be and he has incredible versatility when written correctly. This thread is ridiculous.
Originally posted by KinkyJudge
Magneto brings a little rocksized piece of metal with him
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Straw Man is a fallacious argument.Example:
me: Storm can control he forces of the universe through the viewing of energy patterns. This is how she can control celestial energies as well.
poster: 2damnloud says storm is a cosmic being.
The above is an example of- Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
Now, all assertions about Storm by me can be subsequently written off.
The quantum mechanics thing was a misrepresentation of my stance on how Storm's powers work. I wrote "I think" which indicated I didn't really know therefore I didn't really make an assertion to begin with. Now It can be attacked and refuted on the basis that I made the assertion.
You often use the fallacious argument of "If Storm can do A, why is she not doing B? If she's not doing B, then she can't do A. Therefore the original assertion that she can do A is false since she's not doing B". It's pretty broken logic 😆 It's actually a couple fallacies wraped into one.
If I understand your view on Storm correctly, you believe her to be as versatile, if not moreso, than Magneto with the energy manipulating capabilities of a mid-high level herald.
If so, I just don't see why she's never acted as such except in sporadic, one time feats. This would amount to countless idiocies on Storm's behalf. If not, please clarify.
I've been over the tire thing. Go and learn about "overpressure" Bast waves and how PSI works at it relates to the WIND in the ATMOSPHERE and not a damn tire. 😘
Originally posted by Blair Wind
I wonder.....what would you storm fans say about Storm vs Green Lantern? 😕 ......Silver Surfer? (since you know she >>>>>>>>>>>>magneto according to you guys)
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
One of them did mention wanting to see Storm fight Surfer. He outright said he didn't think she'd win, I guess implying she could put up a decent fight, but I don't see her standing any kind of chance.
I've read she does something to slow him down in the next issue of FF. It is quite possible. 😎
Originally posted by 2damnloud
I've read she does something to slow him down in the next issue of FF. It is quite possible. 😎
Almost everything Mags has done, Storm has done on a grander scale.
I like the way Storm's powers work.
Her capacity is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Magneto. His powers depend on the field, her power is almost independent as she just commands the charged particles etc. to do her bidding with her mind even in different realities and on different planets.
Magneto's electromagnetic powers probably don't afford him the ability to readily manipulate ONE star, let alone millions and millions.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It is. Surfer has quite the record of scraping by with the bare minimum. I'm not sure how much of it is he's air headed and gets caught off guard easily and how much of it is he's know he's insanely durable and just doesn't care to put effort into anything.
AHH, Storm vs Surfer in a brawl in space. 😱
I hope the writer get's her right and she starts screwing with those enegy patterns.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It is. Surfer has quite the record of scraping by with the bare minimum. I'm not sure how much of it is he's air headed and gets caught off guard easily and how much of it is he's know he's insanely durable and just doesn't care to put effort into anything.
This is why you don't convince me at all. Its your mindset. You already have set in your head what STorm should and should not be able to do. It does not matter what is written, if it goes beyond the box you put her in, you want to disregard it or somehow reason it out to pervert the spirit of what she did to lessen the character's abilities.
Originally posted by Rutog98
This is why you don't convince me at all. Its your mindset. You already have set in your head what STorm should and should not be able to do. It does not matter what is written, if it goes beyond the box you put her in, you want to disregard it or somehow reason it out to pervert the spirit of what she did to lessen the character's abilities.
I'm talking about Surfer's style. He lets people beat on him all the time then stands right up and says what he has to say. Look at his fights with Hulk. His fight with Cable. When he wants to end it he ends it.
And sometimes they just bum rush him and catch him off guard but that usually ends the same way.
You never explained what my motive would be to waste time "struggling" to "downplay" Storm.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The only difference, method-wise, I see is Magneto goes straight for the effect while Storm has to trigger the cause that brings about the effect. They both have their pros and cons.
Can you explain this comment, please? Storm controls the forces that pattern the weather as well as weather manifestation. Her ability to control EM fields is not a side-effect of weather. Her ability to control the weather is a benefit of her being able to control numerous forces including EM fields. She has what he has and more and she's more powerful than he.
Storm outpowers MAgneto going with more than just a few stories. 2 out of the 3 times they have fought, her powers have been too much for him. He only won because she was not ruthless enough. I mean, really, how many high power showings does MAgneto have and what were they not including a machine? How many can you list? Try it. Yoe'll see that you are blowing him WAY out of proportion.