Storm vs Magneto pt 2

Started by Swanky-Tuna68 pages

Originally posted by 2damnloud
He kinda does 😱 http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1663/stormvshumantorch33mk.jpg

"an entire building" not "the entire building"

Although you won't see the difference.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Dense enough to cut through rock and Ice of a Mountain/Glacier and deflect tons of dibris from said mountain/glacier.

Density isn't a measure of cutting ability. And they were stationary.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Panel art shows him flying through a row of walls. He flies out of the basement and the building doesn't immediately collapse. You can see the foundation walls cracking. Storm braces the foundation and the building collapses a short while afterwards.

Ok, you believe your dellusions, I'll believe the truth.

"The ENTIRE BUILDING", Let that sesonate.🀘

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Ok, you believe your dellusions, I'll believe the truth.

"The ENTIRE BUILDING", Let that sesonate.🀘

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
"an entire building" not "the entire building"

Although you won't see the difference.

Was that the coup de grÒce ?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
"an entire building" not "the entire building"

Although you won't see the difference.

πŸ™„ No difference at all.

Still reaching with these idiotic semantical arguments eh? πŸ˜†

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

Density isn't a measure of cutting ability. And they were stationary.

Well that's the way the mountain crumbles.

Storm has maticulous psionic control over winds/air, so they "cut" when she wants them to. 😎

Originally posted by 2damnloud
πŸ™„ No difference at all.

Still reaching with these idiotic semantical arguments eh? πŸ˜†


Of course you wouldn't see a difference. But it makes a world of difference to me. If being able to see multiple plausible possibilities from the change of a single word makes my views idiotic, so be it. I'd still rather have thinking as lateral as a football field instead of looking at one thing and only seeing one thing.

Well that's the way the mountain crumbles.

Storm has maticulous psionic control over winds/air, so they "cut" when she wants them to. 😎


So what happens when an object is pressed against the shield?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Of course you wouldn't see a difference. But it makes a world of difference to me. If being able to see multiple plausible possibilities from the change of a single word makes my views idiotic, so be it. I'd still rather have thinking as lateral as a football field instead of looking at one thing and only seeing one thing.

I'm going to break the fuel lines for this plane. That is really dangerous, especially when the fuel lines provide power for an entire aircraft.

I'm going to break the fuel lines for this plain. This is really dangerous, especially when the fuel lines provide power for the entire aircraft.

Explain the difference.

Make it work Swanky, I know you can πŸ™„

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

So what happens when an object is pressed against the shield?

I dunno, hasn't been done.

Theres a difference between a stationary object like the side of a mountain, and an object being psionically guided through magnetism.

Anything magneto tosses can pierce her pressure dome. BUT it doesnt get that messy. Magneto reacts faster than storm and knocks her ass out with a variety of options.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I'm going to break the fuel lines for this plane. That is really dangerous, especially when the fuel lines provide power for an entire aircraft.

I'm going to break the fuel lines for this plain. This is really dangerous, especially when the fuel line provide power for the entire aircraft.

Explain the difference.

Mak it work Swanky, I know you can πŸ™„


It looks like the first is a standard aircraft while the second is an aircraft that runs on some kind of field of generators called a "plain", kind of like a cross between a monorail and a street car. And an airplane.

I dunno, hasn't been done.

Then how can you be so sure they will protect her from the hat?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It looks like the first is a standard aircraft while the second is an aircraft that runs on some kind of field of generators called a "plain", kind of like a cross between a monorail and a street car. And an airplane.

πŸ˜• O yea, start over replacing "plain" with plane. Now tell me the difference.

Make it work 😱

Magneto on the brink of DEATH courtesy of Storm😱


Originally posted by 2damnloud
πŸ˜• O yea, start over replacing "plain" with plane. Now tell me the difference.

Make it work 😱


Really, it tells me both planes are screwed because planes usually have their fuel lines in one spot don't they? Well, maybe except for a back-up.

The first one sounds a little general. Like the fuel lines might power only a portion of all the plane's systems. Like it's a "power system."

The second one sounds more definitive. Like the "power system."

Also, what kind of plane is this that it gets power directly from fuel lines? Is it purely hydraulic?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Magneto on the brink of DEATH courtesy of Storm😱



He probably should kept his shield up.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Then how can you be so sure they will protect her from the hat?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Really, it tells me both planes are screwed because planes usually have their fuel lines in one spot don't they? Well, maybe except for a back-up.

The first one sounds a little general. Like the fuel lines might power only a portion of all the plane's systems. Like it's a "power system."

The second one sounds more definitive. Like the "power system."

Also, what kind of plane is this that it gets power directly from fuel lines? Is it purely hydraulic?

He probably should kept his shield up.

Such foolishness. 😘

Both have the same contexualization. It's no other way to interpret it Swanky.

Once again, you've provided no evidence for the generality of one statement over the other. You've taken one indefinite article and taken it OUT of the context of the statement. And even if it was general, so what??? Would not destroying the stuctural support any building cause the building to fall just the same as the example above breaking any fuel source cause any plane to lose power??

I mean, the grasping at the straws is old as hell.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Magneto on the brink of DEATH courtesy of Storm😱


Oh! Oh! Can I take this one?

It even says on-panel that Magneto is still hurt/weak/reeling/worn out/shaken up by Nightcrawler's previous attack. Thus his power was not up to par.

"His ability to wield his superhuman powers effectively is dependent upon his physical condition. When severely injured, his body is unable to withstand the strain of manipulating great amounts of magnetic forces. When his powers are not at their peak, he appears to have greater difficulty controlling forces other than magnetism."

And I must agree with Swanky--He should've kept his shield up. 😐

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh! Oh! Can I take this one?

It even says on-panel that Magneto is still hurt/weak/reeling/worn out/shaken up by Nightcrawler's previous attack. Thus his power was not up to par.

"His ability to wield his superhuman powers effectively is dependent upon his physical condition. When severely injured, his body is unable to withstand the strain of manipulating great amounts of magnetic forces. When his powers are not at their peak, he appears to have greater difficulty controlling forces other than magnetism."

And I must agree with Swanky--He should've kept his shield up. 😐

I don't see that on that panel, and anyway he wasn't using anything other than magnetic forces in his "weakend state".

The same applies to storm and him turning her lightning against her.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I don't see that on that panel, and anyway he wasn't using anything other than magnetic forces in his "weakend state".

The same applies to storm and him turning her lightning against her.

Uh...it's right on the scan, man. Cyclops is thinking it.

But I thought the effects of weather aren't supposed to hurt her anyway? πŸ˜• πŸ˜›

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Uh...it's right on the scan, man. Cyclops is thinking it.

But I thought the effects of weather aren't supposed to hurt her anyway? πŸ˜• πŸ˜›

You have no case. ''Shaken up" doesn't equate to being weakened. Even if he was, he STILL abosorbed Storm's lightning which essentially recharged him.😱 So, sessentialy, we have a freshly amped Mags getting raped by Storm. 😱

Case dismissed 😎

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Both have the same contexualization. It's no other way to interpret it Swanky.

Not really. There's no telling what kind of plane your talking about, or what it's doing, or many fuel lines it has. A building also has its supports spread out, which is different than fuel lines.

Once again, you've provided no evidence for the generality of one statement over the other. You've taken one indefinite article and taken it OUT of the context of the statement.

Actually, in context it just proves he's not talking about every support the building has, just that the ones he does burn through support the building as a whole. He flies in straight line through the basement or a parking section.

And even if it was general, so what??? Would not destroying the stuctural support any building cause the building to fall just the same as the example above breaking any fuel source cause any plane to lose power??

No on both counts. I doubt a house would just completely collapse with its supports knocked out. A larger building would probably fall, or crash a little, it's possible, if all or most of the supports were knocked out. And in the case of the plane, it would depend on if it was a vital fuel source and if it had no back-ups available.

I'm sorry but it's these kinds of small details that divide cloudiness and clarity.

I mean, the grasping at the straws is old as hell.

Grasping at straws would imply I'm aiming at some slim, long shot chance of something. How can that be when I've stated multiple times my views are how I plainly see it. Even further than that, you've been saying this about practically every point I've made against Storm. Are you implying I, and possibly others who have disagreed with you, agree with you but have some unexplainable urge to "depower" this character?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Then how can you be so sure they will protect her from the hat?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
If I understand your view on Storm correctly, you believe her to be as versatile, if not moreso, than Magneto with the energy manipulating capabilities of a mid-high level herald.

If so, I just don't see why she's never acted as such except in sporadic, one time feats. This would amount to countless idiocies on Storm's behalf. If not, please clarify.

And I'll address this to you too: Does Storm have any high feats? By that, I mean feats that you wouldn't take too literally because of their extremity or circumstances?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

And I'll address this to you too: Does Storm have any high feats? By that, I mean feats that you wouldn't take too literally because of their extremity or circumstances?

Nope, she's pretty consistent.

And what he said couldn't be interpreted any other way. I mean, he says "destroy the supports of an entire building" AS he is doing it. Yet he's not talking about THAT particular building?? πŸ™„

How can his intent and the intent of the artist/writer be so musconstrued and misninterpreted?? I hope you understand it looks like you're playing semantics with something that is so obvious. πŸ˜•

It just seems like some go far to minimize the feat.

It's almost like, just because I pointed out he uesd the words "entire building"(which the original argument was that it was not the entire building), now we focus on the indefinite article "an" and say "well he's not talking about THIS particular building, he's talking about something else, ANYTHING else." Even though we have art on panel showing him doing it AS he is saying it. So, we now hang on to the word "an" and use that to say what??? He's not talking about destroying THIS particular building in it's entirety even though the art, and most impotantly, the CONTEXT through art and the written caption state otherwise??

It's suspension of common sense.

Once evaluated, it seems so desperate to me. 😘

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Nope, she's pretty consistent.

I see. So she has no high feats, only low feats?

And what he said couldn't be interpreted any other way. I mean, he says "destroy the supports of an entire building" AS he is doing it. Yet he's not talking about THAT particular building?? πŸ™„

He's flying through the basement of the building. How is he not talking about that building?

How can his intent and the intent of the artist/writer be so musconstrued and misninterpreted?? I hope you understand it looks like you're playing semantics with something that is so obvious. πŸ˜•

If it does, I've only heard complaints from you and rudy for picking apart your "obvious" observations.

It's almost like, just because I pointed out he uesd the words "entire building"(which the original argument was that it was not the entire building), now we focus on the indefinite article "an" and say "well he's not talking about THIS particular building, he's talking about something else, ANYTHING else." Even though we have art on panel showing him doing it AS he is saying it. So, we now hang on to the word "an" and use that to say what??? He's not talking about destroying THIS particular building in it's entirety even though the art, and most impotantly, the CONTEXT through art and the written caption state otherwise??

It's suspension of common sense.

Once evaluated, it seems so desperate to me. 😘


I'm... not sure what you're talking about here. I'm not basing anything on just a single word, rather the inflection of the sentence, or saying he's talking about another building. I don't know why you would try pinning that on me.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
If I understand your view on Storm correctly, you believe her to be as versatile, if not moreso, than Magneto with the energy manipulating capabilities of a mid-high level herald.

If so, I just don't see why she's never acted as such except in sporadic, one time feats. This would amount to countless idiocies on Storm's behalf. If not, please clarify.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Then how can you be so sure they will protect her from the hat?

Rutog98, I have a scan where Strom creates HUGE EMP or something that wipes out all the Sentinels in the dangeroom. It's cool😎