Storm vs Magneto pt 2

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Again, he's pushing metal while she stands there?? 🙄

You're scenario only works if she's remains on the defensive.

'He's pushing metal against my dome", *storm thinks*, a torando is on Mags in a spit second straining his powers. The Metal is now gone and Storm is now in control.

Lest we also not forget that she can push BACK with her dome, hence she punched through the rock and Ice.

She can also mingle electromagnetic AND air attacks, Siena Blaze anyone??

If Storm has to break her concentration even for an instant she'll be dead. You seem to be forgetting Magneto's shields will be protecting him.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If Storm has to break her concentration even for an instant she'll be dead. You seem to be forgetting Magneto's shields will be protecting him.

Storm can multi task VERY, VERY well. That's why she lead the X-men.

His Shield does not protect him from suffocation or being strained from suction. It can maybe at BEST protect him from flying debris. If what Rutog says is true about her wind-driven hailstones pulverizing the ground to the point of atomic displacment, I don't even know about that(I have to find out which part of that Issue it is in). I've also heard(hear say) that Claremont said on the other board, she could have hurled that steel spear at Emma at speeds greater than sound in X-treme X-men #23. I have no problem believeing this since she can lift and support a skyscraper with relative ease.

This is bloodlust, they have HATE in their blood. 😈

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If Storm has to break her concentration even for an instant she'll be dead. You seem to be forgetting Magneto's shields will be protecting him.

Storm multi-taks well. Notice in her battle with Candra, she erected an electrical field to deflect her TK assaults, flew, fired lightning and summoned winds all at the same time while talking. It was effortless.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
...He can throw tons of rock and ice at her. Avalon? You said meteors weren't allowed after I suggested it though. Wait, no, that was to throw the planet off its axis.

Can you really say stationary rock is a tougher job for a "pressure dome" than taking 30 thousand tons of force from shrapnel moving at hyper sonic speeds?

Wait a minute, Magneto can move Avalon, true. However, he cannot do that plus face Ororo's attacks. In "Fatal Attractions," when he was being assaulted by a group of lesser powerful X-Men, he could not maintain his hold on Avalon. Storm by herself can strain his powers to the utmost. (Actually, if she summons the kind of force she used against Seinna Blaze, Magneto is history upon contact with that assault. He cannot withstand it at all.)

When was Magneto going to throw the planet off its axis WITHOUT the aid of a machine and where do you get he can move 30,000 tons at hypersonic speed?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I think it's "Hunt For Xavier"

Correct.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can multi task VERY, VERY well. That's why she lead the X-men.

His Shield does not protect him from suffocation or being strained from suction.

This is bloodlust, they have HATE in their blood. 😈

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Err, ever heard of such thing as vacuum of space?

Vacuum means DEVOID of anything.

There is no air, therefore no suction. 🙄

😖mart:

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Vacuum means DEVOID of anything.

There is no air, therefore no suction. 🙄

😖mart:

No, but when there is air, the vacuum suctions it away. Didn't do that when Magneto has his shields on.

If Storm can multi task so well why didnt she move out of colossus' way when magneto flung him at her.

Second most of the shit that you say 2dam is speculation and the other is hyperbole. How is Sienna Blazes attack greater than 30,000 tons of force just of out of curiosity?

You claim storms winds can lift skyscrapers... pu lease when has she done that shit? Her winds have at best lifted that 5 story building NOT a skyscraper. IF she was lifting that thing though and the winds were so intense why didnt they kill Johnny? WHy could he have still killed her has he wanted to?

And finally Storm cant hit magneto with a tornado in a split second. Do you see what i mean aobut exagerating. Thats a awful way of debating. Even if storm had super human thought processes a tornado just CANT form that quick its IMPOSSIBLE. As soon as stomr gets thinking the weather patterns start shifting. She isnt just magically poofing and tornado on him.

Say I got into a fight with some guy in a parking lot and I pushed him down for 37 minutes but got incredibly bored of embarrassing him and wanted to leave, but he just keeps getting back up. What would that be called?

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It would STILL be defelcted.

Siena Blaze's blast>>>>>>>>>>30,000 tons with regard to force.

30,000 tons would not split the earth or destroy the ecosystem even moving at hypersonic speed.

Of Course that wouldn't be taken into accout here. 🙄

Also, the average skyscraper is over 400,000,000 lbs. with the frame weighing in at 100,000 tons. Storm lifted around that with ease.

That also wouldn't be taken into account with this fight with Mags since he is the villain and all 🙄

Given the total ignorance and abandonment of the above feats, it probably wouldn't be deflected 😘 Storm written at full credit, and it would be literally nothing at all😱

Originally posted by Rutog98
Wait a minute, Magneto can move Avalon, true. However, he cannot do that plus face Ororo's attacks. In "Fatal Attractions," when he was being assaulted by a group of lesser powerful X-Men, he could not maintain his hold on Avalon. Storm by herself can strain his powers to the utmost. (Actually, if she summons the kind of force she used against Seinna Blaze, Magneto is history upon contact with that assault. He cannot withstand it at all.)

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yep, 30,000 tons.

When has he moved 30,000 tons at hypersonic speed??

When was Magneto going to throw the planet off its axis WITHOUT the aid of a machine and where do you get he can move 30,000 tons at hypersonic speed?

Less and less surprising with you two.

While throwing out ideas I asked if Magneto was allowed to use lava and if he was allowed to pummel the planet with meteors in such a way that it pushes the planet off its axis, both were vetoed.

He lifted a Typhoon-class sub and can propel objects at hypersonic speeds. Clearly one or both attribute(s) will suffer when used in tandem, but the point is it's going to get there faster than she can build up a defense and it's going to hit like a locomotive with nothing to lose.

Siena's Blast can tear a whole in the Earth's EM field and ecosystem, and split the Earth like a melon. It has the same effect of a Phoenix level Blast. Storm redirected her blast with her WINDS intermingled with a electricity. Cyclops helped block the residual energy while STORM directed it upward.

Storm could plausibly do the same with a pressure dome--she could use the densely packed air molecules mixed with a EM field or an Electircal field, basically doing what Mags can do.

The thing about storm is her versatility. Given the stpulations, Magneto can only throw hunks of metal at her. She can block these AS WELL AS offensivesly attact him.

Without his Blood rip, he has NO offensive attack that cannot be directly blocked and countered by Storm's air attacks to which he is susceptible.

If Storm was really wrtten to her full credit withstanding the energies she's harnessed and channeled through her, any magnetic force enacted against her would/should be countered. MAGNETARS in the Galactic Core anyone?? Really, any Neutron star has a magnetic field way beyond that of Earth's. Magneto's energies should/would be NOTHING to someone who can manip that.

Galactic magnetic field 0.00001 Gauss
Solar Wind 0.00005 Gauss
Interstellar molecular cloud 0.001 Gauss
Earth's field at ground level 1 Gauss
Solar surface field 5 Gauss
Massive star typical field (pre supernova) 100 Gauss
Toy refrigerator magnet 100 Gauss
Sun spot field 1000 Gauss
Jupiter magnetic field 1000 Gauss
Magnetic Stars such as BD+54 2846 12,000 Gauss
White Dwarf star surfaces 1,000,000 Gauss
Neutron star surface field 1,000,000,000,000 Gauss
Magnetar field 1,000,000,000,000,000 Gauss

Since that is not stipulated, we only have him hurling metal at her which can be blocked, and she can counter with more powerful winds of which he has 00000000.0000000 defense since even the great Magneto needs air to live.😊

I've never met two people as dense and stubborn in their own twisted views. You two are like mules made of pewter.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I've never met two people as dense and stubborn in their own twisted views. You two are like mules made of pewter.

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Pretty compelling counter argumentblowup

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Originally posted by 2damnloud
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Pretty compelling counter argumentblowup

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Yes, herald level. You haven't outright said it but the absurd abilities you two have given her would qualify her as that.

The most annoying is, I must reiterate, is you two claim canon backs you up but you two skew it. "What have I skewed? <Insert skewed feat>? <Insert skewed feat>?"

All debates come to an end and I think this one has played itself out. Sadly, our only judges are the forum members and I think we both know how that will turn out, for one reason or another, so I doubt you'll agree to that, if at all.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It's not really possible to compel two people who have proved for almost 40 pages they'll twist anything into the highest possible feat, believe themselves to always be right, and disregard anything that goes against the notion that your beloved mid-tier character is somehow this herald level being. Possibly because it doesn't seem like either of you read much of the text in front of you at all and your imagination just fills in the blanks.

Yes, herald level. You haven't outright said it but the absurd abilities you two have given her would qualify her as that.

The most annoying is, I must reiterate, is you two claim canon backs you up but you two skew it. "What have I skewed? <Insert skewed feat>? <Insert skewed feat>?"

All debates come to an end and I think this one has played itself out. Sadly, our only judges are the forum members and I think we both know how that will turn out, for one reason or another, so I doubt you'll agree to that, if at all.

You provide nothing to the debate but logical fallacies and semantics.

It is YOU who admitted pages ago that you just can't see how Storm can do the things she does. When clearly explained to you, you twist it.

Plain English you twist by playing semantics.

You do ALL you can to minimize Storm's feats by uisng illogical forms of debating. For what, I don't know.

I've noticed most of Storm's detractors use illogical debating which shows you don't really have anything to go on but desperation.

Sad 😘

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You provide nothing to the debate but logical fallacies and Semantics.

It is YOU who admitted pages ago that you just can't see how Storm can do the things she does. When celarly explained to you, you twist it.

Plain English you twist by playing semantics.

You do ALL you can to minimize Storm's feats by uisng illogical forms of debating. For what, I don't know.

I've noticed most of Storm's detractors use illogical debating which shows you don't really have anything to go on but desperation.

Sad 😘

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
On the contrary, I can't see the way she does the things [b]YOU TWO say she does. The only thing that "minimizes" Storm IS logic and you can't seem to handle that. You try to play it up by throwing fluff onto the pile and flat out lying. Unless you don't realize you're doing it. Then I completely understand. [/B]

You have nothing to prove me wrong but logical fallacies.

You have yet to prove anything said wrong based on what is evidence in this forum(canon). You found a way around that though by either twisting that or outright just disregarding it because you can't wrap your head around it.

I mean, what CAN we really "wrap our heads around" with regard to the comics??

All we have is what is said about Storm and how her powers work, and have worked. It's as simple as that. 🙄

You people go so far as to question whether the art cooperates with the text, and if the two don't TOTALLY agree(as if in the comics they ever really do) you'll just throw out the whole damn thing, even if we do get the genral idea(see Galactic Core). Some go so far as taking words out to change the context and everything. The whole thing becomes so absurd. 😆

I've never seen such desperation over something so trivial.

Storm's feats have been dissected more than frog in Biology class.

If it's looks too big and beyond the proverbial "box", it's dissected and immediately thrown out. Basicallt, if the power implications are too great, it's thrown out, no matter WHAT canon states.

I've noticed that with most of her feats, especially when they imply that she may be>>>>>somone like Magneto--The big time Master of Magnetism, UFT incarnate. 🙄

Realistically he is nothing compared to her. If you take ALL she can do and ALL he can do. She beats him by a country mile.

Dude, Punisher with a laser gun would kill her.

Originally posted by Bentley
Dude, Punisher with a laser gun would kill her.

Proof

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Proof

Point.

Shoot.

Kill.