Originally posted by celestialdemon
The Phoenix Force surviving has nothing to do with her power level. It has to do with her role in the universe. There are many beings more powerful than the Force that would be destroyed if the LT decided to end the universe.
As long as there is life, Storm has power. In essense, the PF empowers Storm since that is life itself.
Originally posted by Rutog98
As long as there is life, Storm has power.
That is speculation at best. Nowhere is this ever stated.
Originally posted by Rutog98
In essense, the PF empowers Storm since that is life itself.
Theoretically, the PF powers all life in the universe. That doesn't mean everything is going to survive.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
That is speculation at best. Nowhere is this ever stated.Theoretically, the PF powers all life in the universe. That doesn't mean everything is going to survive.
Storm draws on that power herself and is innately connected with it. It sustains her physically, psychically and her powers as well.
Storm was in potentail to a Jean incarnation of Phoenix. After the retcon it was discovered that Jean taps into the PF.
After this retcon Storm < Phoenix.
There is no proof that Storm can take Phoenix. There is lots of proof as to what Phoenix can do to Storm.
It is not cannot for Storm to access energies reserved for future generations. So the amount of energy that Storm can access will always be less than PF, therefore PF owns Storm. Prove to me otherwise.
Originally posted by Rutog98
So are you telling me that Storm is in the same category with Cyclops and Polaris? Is that where you are trying to put her?
Purely based on power, in their "average" "range", I would have Storm's higher section of her range overlapping Magneto's lower range. Magneto's upper range would maybe barely touch Thor's lower range, if at all. Thor's range would be overlap with Surfer's a little. Oh, and Polaris overlapping Storm's lower range, I'm not sure how much. I think she kinda sucks a little, possibly because she's a woman, hahahaha, that was supposed to be a sexist joke, not a sex joke, but some say she's pretty adept. Cyclops would be fairly high but he's got 0 ability to manipulate his blast aside from visors, turning his head, and closing one or both eyes.
Then you take energy manipulating skill into account, it acts as a modifier. If I had to put it on a scale of 1-10, It would be like Surfer - 10, Magneto - 7, Thor - 4 (sorry Thor fans), Storm - 6. Then take into account the nature of their abilities, what kind of capacity they have to kill with their abilities, etc. I think if there was some way to illustrate a ratio of power to killing power, Magneto's would probably be higher than even Surfer's.
Defensively, Cyclops would obviously be the lowest. He's just got to be wily. Surfer would be the highest obviously. I would rank Magneto's shield below Surfer. Between Thor and Storm is a bit of a toss-up though. Storm's spherical air shield is pretty good against most projectiles in every direction. Thor has the one direction but he can block energy with it. This isn't counting whether or not Thor can make a shield with his hammer or not.
I'm sorry, this is probably isn't helping. There are so many other things I group characters by. If I were to graph out just these 6 characters it'd probably look something like this 7 layers of the OSI model on the wall in my Net + class. It looks something like this except both sides of it look like the left side of that picture.
If I had to put a generic rank to her, I'd go with Endless Mike with "high mid-tier", but it would come with a ton of clauses.
characters like gambit storm batman franklin richards cable magneto [and villains like the joker the riddler and doctor doom]
are too charismatic/smart/enterprising too often the writers choose to corrupt their abilities in the interests of preserving the status quo... and simplifying the writing proccess [better known as Pis]
case study
detective 822 The Riddler's first case since reforming as a good guy... misses clues a blind man could see/smell [a trail of blood leading away from the "suicide victim" in a brightly lit room. sheesh!]
Gambit
renouncing his powers
Doom
jobbing
uuugh.
mags takes out a hand gun and takes her out like soraon did during the mid 90's arc. or some other mild way like every fight she's ever been in. She has only been humiliated by top teir characters when she has fought them solo. full power storm is like flash prime, aka made up on this board. She has been show the capabilities to hand with anybody above human torch level besides cross overs.
She needs more SHOWINGS od the things she has ALREADY done.
She can't just do all that stuff then it's abandoned, which STILL doesn't negate the fact that she did it.
I do believe in my heart of hearts if she was written consistently with everyhting she's ever done in mind she would be>>>>>>Magneto, easily.
It took ALL his remaining strength to manipulates the electromagnetic field in the Storm SHE created.
Hell, give Ororo Superman-esque durability and that's its, she's trounces most. She doesn't even need strength.
Storm is a very hard character to write. Even the slightest of upgrades would make her look wierd on a team. I don't really care though😱
Coming to blows with Surfer is a step WAAAY up from Magneto. That should tell us something about her.
