Jedi Exile vs Ulic Qel Droma

Originally posted by Nikkolas
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Kun, Nihius and Sidious all surpassed any Ancient Sith.

To be precise, they surpassed every ancient Sith that we know off.

And Kreia was talking about lightsaber combat Nikkolas, not the Anceint Sith as a whole (how the hell would she know that?).

Secondly, she spoke of Ancient Sith who used lightsabers, (none of the one's we know used lightsabers) and that Tulak Horde was the greatest lightsaber practicioner among them.

Speculating: these Sith might have been the dark jedi of the first schism.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Where does it say he keeps it together constantly?

I just want to know.

And I switched from talking about Nihilus to the Ancient Sith because that statement by Traya irritates me with the fact it has no basis in facts. It contradicts everything we actually know of the Ancients, in fact.

Kun, Nihius and Sidious all surpassed any Ancient Sith. [/B]

Nothing but your opinion, considering the fact that you only know of a few ancient sith. Sidious is definitely #1 but Kun and Nihilus? Nihilus, who was defeated by an average force user, comparable to the likes of Ragnos whose power was described as titanic and whose grasp of the force was described as frightening? Hardly. Kun is more than likely in his league but him and Revan are as close as it gets to the powerful ancient sith.

And yet again, how else would he keep it together? And when he's dead, how does it stay together? OH that's right, obviously he doesn't.

Fine. You win. I just don't care anymore.

He has more than enough feats beyond that to put him at #2.

Nihilus, who was defeated by an average force use

Not even worth formulating a response.

You KNOW why the Exile beat him and using that is pathetic.

comparable to the likes of Ragnos whose power was described as titanic and whose grasp of the force was described as frightening

Titanic and frightening?

QUOTE WARS!

"One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."
―Kreia

"He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet... that is a measure of his power."

"When my Lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died."

Hardly

Yes...he pwns Ragnos in power.

Kun is more than likely in his league but him and Revan are as close as it gets to the powerful ancient sith.

Well, that's nice.

Pulling a fleet out of a gravity well...speaking and killing everything on a planet...yep, he's definitely above any Ancient Sith or Kun.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Fine. You win. I just don't care anymore.

He has more than enough feats beyond that to put him at #2.

Not even worth formulating a response.

You KNOW why the Exile beat him and using that is pathetic.

Titanic and frightening?

QUOTE WARS!

"One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."
―Kreia

"He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet... that is a measure of his power."

"When my Lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died."

Yes...he pwns Ragnos in power.[/quote]
Awww how cute, you use quotes but when I use them it's quote wars. Sorry, his one feat isn't enough to put him above anybody, especially the most powerful DLOTS. I don't remember Ragnos losing to an average force user. In fact I remember Ragnos ruling the ancient sith for over 150 years, which is unheard of. Nihilus pales in comparison.

Pulling a fleet out of a gravity well...speaking and killing everything on a planet...yep, he's definitely above any Ancient Sith or Kun. [/B]

It doesn't matter WHY, if he was so uber as you say, he wouldn't have lost to an average force user.. And you don't have to formulate

That's like saying Superman isn't uber because someone attacked him with Kryptonite.

Nihilus drains The Force...he tried to drain the Exile. He weakened himself doing so.

Plus he was already weakened when he fought the Exile. Quotes to support this.

"The Master suffers... If he can not feed, then the hunger begins to consume him The planet Telos... He may feed on something upon its surface to sustain himself a while longer."

"[Kreia] spoke of the Jedi academy here on Telos...and my Master was forced to come here." -Tobin

"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station... he will cleanse it of life. ...and if there are no Jedi below, he will have no other choice."

Sounds like he was kinda in a bad way...

Plus, didn't he have the Exile at his mercy in the beginning? He could have killed him with a lightsaber but he tried to feed on him and it effed him up.

And, even with the suffering from his hunger and then further weakening from trying to drain the Exile, he was "too powerful" and beating all 3 of his opponents.

Awww how cute, you use quotes but when I use them it's quote wars. Sorry, his one feat isn't enough to put him above anybody, especially the most powerful DLOTS. I don't remember Ragnos losing to an average force user. In fact I remember Ragnos ruling the ancient sith for over 150 years, which is unheard of. Nihilus pales in comparison.

I don't remember Ragnos devouring planets to sustain himself. Or moving fleets out of a gravity well with his TK.

But, thanks for playing. Come back when you have actual feats.

Omgz one feat and he's teh uber! I guess Jacen Solo is #1 because he can go back in time. Sorry dumbass, but feat wars don't make someone #1, much less even comparable to the likes of Kun or the greatest ancient sith.

Yep. He's the second to Sidious until anyone else reaches the level of power he did. Where singular beings were nothing...where it took actual planets full of power to warrant his attention.

And this is not just feats. This is also quotes. Plenty of quotes. Quotes and feats definitely put him at #2 to only Sidious.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
That's like saying Superman isn't uber because someone attacked him with Kryptonite.

Nihilus drains The Force...he tried to drain the Exile. He weakened himself doing so.

Plus he was already weakened when he fought the Exile. Quotes to support this.

"The Master suffers... If he can not feed, then the hunger begins to consume him The planet Telos... He may feed on something upon its surface to sustain himself a while longer."

"[Kreia] spoke of the Jedi academy here on Telos...and my Master was forced to come here." -Tobin

"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station... he will cleanse it of life. ...and if there are no Jedi below, he will have no other choice."

Sounds like he was kinda in a bad way...

Plus, didn't he have the Exile at his mercy in the beginning? He could have killed him with a lightsaber but he tried to feed on him and it effed him up.

And, even with the suffering from his hunger and then further weakening from trying to drain the Exile, he was "too powerful" and beating all 3 of his opponents.

I don't remember Ragnos devouring planets to sustain himself. Or moving fleets out of a gravity well with his TK.

But, thanks for playing. Come back when you have actual feats.

Yep. He's the second to Sidious until anyone else reaches the level of power he did. Where singular beings were nothing...where it took actual planets full of power to warrant his attention.

And this is not just feats. This is also quotes. Plenty of quotes. Quotes and feats definitely put him at #2 to only Sidious. [/B]

And yet again, he could not drain Kreia on MALACHOR V where he GOT his technique

He didn't try.

You really need to stop bringing this up.

He just threw her against a wall.
It doesn't say it was a drain. It doesn't look like a drain. It's NOT a drain.

so this uber powerful sith as you call him, depends on his feeding and what not because of his being a wound in the force. Yea really powerful.

Yes because Galactus isn't uber-powerful due to constantly needing to feed....

Not that Nihilus is destroying galaxies but it's simply a mark of his existence that he needs to sustain his life by draining power. It's not a mark against his power because he can't help how he is.

But how he is still puts him second only to Sidious.

No, he didn't have the exile at his mercy.

What was that weird thing around the Exile and he was all wobbling?

Uh no, gameplay mechancis=/canon. You don't know if he was beating anybody at all, from what I recall he instantly tried to drain the Exile and failed, and was weakened, the rest is a gameplay mechanic.

Nope.

He fails to drain, they fight, then Visas says "he's too powerful" and some talking.

Ragnos wasn't a wound in the force.

Which means he'd be destroyed by Nihilus because Nihilus' power is beyond his own.

Yet Ragnos ruled the ancient sith empire for over 100 years, which is quite unheard of in the sith empire.

In an era when the mightiest throw bricks?

Very impressive.

You've already embarassed yourself with your feat wars

So...feats mean nothing? We shouldn't have feat wars where we examine what the characters have done?

I missed when that was frowned upon....

fanboyism, and your pathetic argument, maybe you should let someone intelligent
take over, as you're now just wasting bandwidth.

I'm trying to be polite.

I'll ask you to do the same.

Nihilus moved fleets and drained worlds.

This is why he's the most powerful.

It's fact and it's not speculation.

Sorry tool, feat wars don't equate to overall power, otherwise Sidious would have been superior to Luke. You lose.

No he wouldn't have...

Luke's feats are far and above Palpatine's.

And they are the best source of determining a character's power from my experience.

And I've also provided quotes about Nihilus' power.

Stop being so arrogant.

Quotes don't put people ahead of everybody else if all the evidence points to the contrary

There's no evidence to the contrary of Nihilus pwning Ragnos or Kun.

which would be that Nihilus was an average force user until Malachor V when he became a wound in the force and his abilities were amplified.

Um...most people before they're trained are less-than-average Force users...

And we don't know WHEN Nihilus became a wound in The Force.

And we don't know anything about how strong he was before Malachor.

Stop assuming crap.

Yet nothing suggests he comes close to the likes of kun, Revan, Sidious, etc.

Draining planets and pulling a fleet out of a gravity well definitely puts him above all of them except Sidious.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
He didn't try.

You really need to stop bringing this up.

He just threw her against a wall.
It doesn't say it was a drain. It doesn't look like a drain. It's NOT a drain.

Yes because Galactus isn't uber-powerful due to constantly needing to feed....

Not that Nihilus is destroying galaxies but it's simply a mark of his existence that he needs to sustain his life by draining power. It's not a mark against his power because he can't help how he is.

But how he is still puts him second only to Sidious.

He fails to drain, they fight, then Visas says "he's too powerful" and some talking.

Which means he'd be destroyed by Nihilus because Nihilus' power is beyond his own.

In an era when the mightiest throw bricks?

Very impressive.

So...feats mean nothing? We shouldn't have feat wars where we examine what the characters have done?

Nihilus moved fleets and drained worlds.

This is why he's the most powerful.

It's fact and it's not speculation.

And they are the best source of determining a character's power from my experience.

And I've also provided quotes about Nihilus' power.

There's no evidence to the contrary of Nihilus pwning Ragnos or Kun.

Um...most people before they're trained are less-than-average Force users...

And we don't know WHEN Nihilus became a wound in The Force.

And we don't know anything about how strong he was before Malachor.

Draining planets and pulling a fleet out of a gravity well definitely puts him above all of them except Sidious. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except that's what it is, especially since Kreia makes her narration during this scene, saying she was stripped of her power, and there are certain techniques for which there is no defense. Stop arguing facts.

But she never implies that the technique she talks about is a force drain. And nothing in that scene shows Nihilus draining her. That's the part you don't get. The fact of the matter, on evidence shown, Nihilus slams her on a wall with tk. Anything else is speculation.

If Nihilus wanted her dead, she wouldn't merely have been stripped of her power. When has Kreia ever implied that Nihilus failed to kill her? She makes it clear that he participated in humiliating her, never attempting to kill her outright.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except Ragnos was the last powerful/greatest sith lord and since again, the majority of techniques are derived from the ancient sith, your point is moot.

And this is what you present as an argument? Looking at Ragnos specifically, what has he ever done to suggest to you he could even hang with Nihilus? He held off the other Sith and may have been more powerful than Sadow, but what the hell does that tell us?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Nihilus moved A ship, Nihilus drained A world.

Nihilus could drain planets. And he lifted a fleet, not just a ship.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Except it's not. Because we see virtually nothing from Episodes I, II, III sidious, yet he's already the most powerful, so your point is moot.

Sidious achievements as well as G-canon establish his place as the most powerful Sith. He's an exception as he's been placed their by G-canon, Ragnos, Revan etc have not. And it's quite obvious that Nihilus is more powerful than any of the ancients we've seen.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

No, most people don't even know how to use the force before they are trained, try again.

That was his point, dummy. You were bringing up straw mans about Nihilus' power level before Malachor (as if we know anything about that to start with), and he countered your argument by pointing out that people develope.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Except there's no mention of him at all, so there's no reason to assume he's powerful.

Now I get it. You're absolutely idiotic. You're arguing like SW is a series of real-life historical accounts. How about getting your little brain around the fact that Kotor 2 (like the rest of star wars) is fiction, and that as a fictional character Nihilus made his first appearance in Kotor 2?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Draining one planet, pulling one ship out of Malachor V, and losing to an average Jedi doesn't even put him in the top 5.

Yeah! Like draining planets is a common occurrence in SW. 🙄

Like average Jedi can save the galaxy by stopping the likes of Nihilus, Sion and Traya; stop criminal syndicates; stop mercenary incursions; end civil wars virtually single handedly.

As I said earlier, you get a gold star for persistence, a wooden spoon for debating skills and rational thinking.

Except that's what it is, especially since Kreia makes her narration during this scene, saying she was stripped of her power, and there are certain techniques for which there is no defense. Stop arguing facts.

She was Nihilus' and Sion's Master...their leader. She was stripped of her power in teh Sith Triumvirate and cast out.

Plus we see her move the lightsaber so she wasn't drained.

Plus she doesn't say it was a drain and it doesn't look like a drain.

And there are defenses to Force Drain.

Actually Nihilus canonically only destroyed Katarr and again was killed by an average Jedi.

Because said average Jedi is the only person who could defeat him...

Der?

Unless you can direct me to who else is a wound in The Force and won't be drained by Nihilus?

And, again, you leave out he was weakened already...then further weakened. He was hardly even close to his "fighting peak."

And? Wtf is Visa, an average force user.

Irrelevant.

I'm not stating her power.

I'm telling you that even horribly, horribly weakened, Nihilus was "too powerful." And was apparently close to beating all 3 of them.

Except Ragnos was the last powerful/greatest sith lord and since again, the majority of techniques are derived from the ancient sith, your point is moot.

And none of them even came close to executing them on the level of Sidious or Nihilus.

No Force Storms from the Ancient Sith. No planet-destroying drains from the Ancients.

By your definition, Nihilus' one feat puts him as #2, when in reality, he's maybe in the lower top 10.

So, tell me, who is above him?

Kun destroyed any worlds?

Revan destroyed any worlds?

No?

KTHXBAI.

Nihilus moved A ship, Nihilus drained A world.

Fleet, actually.

And even just draining one worlds puts him above anyone besides Sidious.

It's not even speculation, it's downright false.

That he drained a planet and moved a fleet and no other Sith ever except Palpatine has come close to that?

Except it's not. Because we see virtually nothing from Episodes I, II, III sidious, yet he's already the most powerful, so your point is moot.

Sometimes statements are wrong.

They can be contraidcted by what we see.

If Bane threw planets and Palpatien threw Senate pods, would you still be willing to say Sidious > Bane based on the statement alone?

Which still doesn't compare to Kun, Revan, Bane, or Ragnos.

None of them drained planets or moved a fleet.

Yet there's no evidence of Nihilus being in the same league, try again.

Ragnos did nothing.

Kun hasn't pulled a fleet from a gravity well.

Nihilus > Ragnos and Kun.

No, most people don't even know how to use the force before they are trained, try again.

This is what YOU said, genius.

which would be that Nihilus was an average force user until Malachor V

Which is when he was trained...

So you said he was an average Force User before he even knew anything.

Yes we do, it was either during Malachor or right after.

That's cool.

Can you give me the quote or source that says this, please?

Not saying you're wrong. I just haven't heard of when it happened and would like to know.

Except there's no mention of him at all, so there's no reason to assume he's powerful.

Because he wasn't trained.

We know he was Force Sensitive and that's why Traya took him. He could have been totally untrained in anything.

His origins are a complete mystery.

Draining one planet, pulling one ship out of Malachor V, and losing to an average Jedi doesn't even put him in the top 5.

Name ONE Sith besides Palpatien to even come close to draining a planet?

Under their own power?

And pulling a fleet out of Malachor.

And even with his hunger and being weakened by the Exile, he was "too powerful."

Originally posted by Nikkolas
She was Nihilus' and Sion's Master...their leader. She was stripped of her power in teh Sith Triumvirate and cast out.

Plus we see her move the lightsaber so she wasn't drained.

Plus she doesn't say it was a drain and it doesn't look like a drain.

And there are defenses to Force Drain.

Because said average Jedi is the only person who could defeat him...

Der?

Unless you can direct me to who else is a wound in The Force and won't be drained by Nihilus?

And, again, you leave out he was weakened already...then further weakened. He was hardly even close to his "fighting peak."

Irrelevant.

I'm not stating her power.

I'm telling you that even horribly, horribly weakened, Nihilus was "too powerful." And was apparently close to beating all 3 of them.

And none of them even came close to executing them on the level of Sidious or Nihilus.

No Force Storms from the Ancient Sith. No planet-destroying drains from the Ancients.

So, tell me, who is above him?

Kun destroyed any worlds?

Revan destroyed any worlds?

No?

KTHXBAI.

Fleet, actually.

And even just draining one worlds puts him above anyone besides Sidious.

That he drained a planet and moved a fleet and no other Sith ever except Palpatine has come close to that?

Sometimes statements are wrong.

They can be contraidcted by what we see.

If Bane threw planets and Palpatien threw Senate pods, would you still be willing to say Sidious > Bane based on the statement alone?

None of them drained planets or moved a fleet.

Ragnos did nothing.

Kun hasn't pulled a fleet from a gravity well.

Nihilus > Ragnos and Kun.

This is what YOU said, genius.

Which is when he was trained...

So you said he was an average Force User before he even knew anything.

That's cool.

Can you give me the quote or source that says this, please?

Not saying you're wrong. I just haven't heard of when it happened and would like to know.

Because he wasn't trained.

We know he was Force Sensitive and that's why Traya took him. He could have been totally untrained in anything.

His origins are a complete mystery.

Name ONE Sith besides Palpatien to even come close to draining a planet?

Under their own power?

And pulling a fleet out of Malachor.

And even with his hunger and being weakened by the Exile, he was "too powerful."

Well...that's an insightful response.

Oh what genious conclusions you are drawing again. They're talking about the time when the Exile was a Padawan, yes. That just means it was somewhere between the time she started her Jedi training and the time she became a Jedi Knight. She also could have been 18 or 19.

Hence, dip shit why we have no clue what time period the quote is based on, what makes you anymore right then me? HENCE, why you claiming this as a basis for your argument is utterly ridicules. But I'm glad your smart enough to see this. Oh wait, your not...

And Kreia can tell that the Mandalorians feared the Exile how exactly?

Well lets see...she seems to know everything else about all the galactic events throughout the galaxy. Just a thought. Its implied she was in or at least around the epicenter of the Mandalorian Wars:

Vrook: I thought you died in the Mandalorian Wars!

Kreia: Die? NO. Become STRONGER? YES!

The only educated guess Kreia could give would be about the Mandalorians on Dxun as she might have sensed some fear there.

No.

Yet Mandalorians don't even know the meaning of the word "fear".

A huh yeah...fandalorians...they never go away.

a) First conflict to start with would be the original Mandalorian Crusade which happened during that time. In case you didn't notice that. I guess that was pretty bloody.

You guess? Or that the moment we see then they are joining with the Sith.

b) Next think would be the Beast Wars on Onderon. Let me see. You can look into the comics and see countless people dying on Onderon during that time. The use of Dark Side powers first fooled the Jedi completely (Amanoa) and then they had quite some hard time in defeating Amanoa and after that Ommin. Because the Dark Side totally blocked their own abilities in certain situations. What did the Mandalorians do compareable to that ? The Mandalorians can't use the force. They are ruthless warriors, yes. But aside of that nothing special.

Great and did any of those battles have the sheer mental breaking capabilities to to shatter a Jedi's mind? No. Since we don't actually see the three year wars we can only assume in they way they talk about them in KOTOR and Revans desperate measures to end the war quickly (committing nearly complete genocide) that they trump anything seen in the GSW.

c) The Krath. Actually Ulic says that they "Don't know what they unleashed, making them even more dangerous" in case you don't remember that statement.

Oh wow! They don't know what they've unleashed! What power! My god, how did there leader get owned in the force by both Nomi and Kun, and Ulic shitted on Satal? But why didn't that power they didn't know they unleashed help them?

And please. People able to generate massive illusions capable of fooling and even killing people (even Jedi) are surely nothing to laugh at. That nice raid on Deneba surely claimed the life of many Jedi.

And so did the Mando Wars (claim the life of many Jedi) really did that raid on Deneba do anything even comparable to Dxun?

d) Kun's own campaing. You're talking about "lives claimed". Did somebody in the Mandalorian Wars create a freaking supernova, blowing the entire Cron Cluster into nothingness, destroying multiple Star Systems (e.g. the Auril system) ? I must have missed that actually.

I'll admit I forgot about Kun's stupid superweapons, but even still, how does that compare on a battle to battle basis to the Mandolarian Wars? Did any one battle in the GSW cause so much death and destruction that it literally tore a hole in the force? Nope.

She was ranked below Malak, Revan himself, various other Dark Siders and of course Admiral Karath.

Where did you get various other dark siders from? Your ass? And yeah she was ranked below Revan he controlled a third of the entire Republic fleet, and Malak was his right hand man.

And it's even noted that she is a "natural leader" due to her force bond abilities. What does that say about her skills when it comes to force use or lightsaber combat ? Obviously nothing.

Such a comprehension problem you have, a Jedi General on the front lines who we SEE lead charges against foes whom you claim were at their very best they'd ever been and ever will be, whom KOTOR notes that one Mandalorian was worth 10 republic soldiers, whose training and skill allows them to go toe to toe with Jedi. Now what the hell else is this Jedi General who we've seen lead charges going to do? Face them with her lightsaber or the force, with her being a Jedi and all. Really use some damn sense.

And that does mean what exactly ? She managed to survive a battle where an army of force users and regular soldiers overwhelmed some non-force-users. Damn. How impressive that is.

Nice straw man, other then this battle was described as one of the bloodiest in the Mando Wars, and that the Mandalorians were entrenched deeply into Dxun, and that these Mandalorians happen to have made Dxun one of there bases, that said it means they know the terrain better then the Jedi. Finally you have the beasts of Dxun as a factor beasts that can tear even Mandalore apart.

Oh this is great. Let's play "guess the age". She could also be in her 50s or even younger as Atton descripes her appearance as a result of her tough life. So ?

Ah no, first off this statement is coming from the same Atton whose thinking about boning her. And considering the Jedi Masters instantly recognized her when she choose to reveal herself on Dantooine, that being a decade after her exile from the Order, that means she looks the same as she did 10 years before, now assuming your "she's 50 crap" is true, that would mean she looks like she's 70 something at the age of forty, thats almost unheard of, especially considering she at the time wasn't even a darksider. So unless she has rapid aging disorder, your wrong?

Aside of that we don't know if she was a Jedi or Padawan even when the war happened.

And?

By the way: Nice language use. Fits your mental state rather good.

It sadly seems to be the only english you understand.

Since when does a Sith Lord not teach his apprentice ?

Since when does a Sith Lord let his student openly disobey him? Kun and Ulics relationship isn't the typical master student one. Thats pretty obvious.

And that does apply to the fight here how exactly ? Kreia might now what she wants. The Exile is canonically lightside - no knowledge about Dark Side abilities.

Um no. Kreia taught the Exile to follow neither particular dogma, meaning she's not bound by the lightside of the force or either side of the force. Did you even play KOTOR?

And until you show me where Kreia simply blasts the skin of random persons off I guess the "rich kids" had also some nice amount of knowledge compared to her.

Until you show me when Aleema and Satal can kill three Jedi Masters with the flicks of their hands, they're nothing compared to her. And really it was one of her weakling minions who she blasted lets see her do that to a Jedi.

Ulic was a hot-head, yes. But as you might have noticed he still jumps through Ommin's force attack that pretty much floored the rest of the Jedi on Onderon. And even without control: Notice how easy he brought down Nomi to her knees with his force amulet just before the duel with Kun.

And that proves he has more force control how? He's tough (no disputing that) and he can use an AMULET to floor a Jedi. Big Whoop.

Ooooh. That's why he disarmed Kun and put his padawan on his ass with two movements when Kun already was descriped as "master swordsman". Yeah. Go figure, idiot.

And thats why Kun broke his stupid stick, and how did he do that? Because he had EXPERIENCE over Kun, who was as said a Padawan. Thats it. And we see what happens a few months later...

He kills Odan with a force choke. That's neither Sith magic nor any special force power.

And? Did I say special force power?

And Aleema is a joke compared to a Jedi Master how exactly ? One of her Sith magic attack simply burned the flesh of one of her minions off his bones in case you didn't notice that.

You should really stop proving your own points wrong.

And yes. He was indeed powerful at that time. Which doesn't matter anyway because the Exile never was anything special in terms of "power". So ?

Sure he was strong. But he wasn't as strong as he was at the end of his life. Really now.

Let's see. I didn't see a blast with the size of a room actually hitting her. So Kun obviously didn't use his amulet against her.

And yet with his intent to kill, he couldn't do so.

Which is your stupid claim which you have no base for. As you might have noticed Exar simply walks through a battlefield to reach Aleema and Ulic without even caring what happens around him "untouched by fire or shrapnel" and when Oss Willum looks down on him from above he says that Kun is "immensely strong in the force". Then Aleema waking up perceives him and Ulic as "rippling with Dark Side energy...more power than all her Sith Magic has given her".

And? All those things were already used to describe Kun, and him AND Ulic together, I'm hoping you can see the point.

And he still did nothing between his duel with Ulic and his first visit to Ossus when he kills Odan and resists the wall of light attack.

Oh my. Kun at this time is still already more powerful than anybody the Exile has ever confronted. So what ?

Traya and Nihlius say otherwise. So what ?

Idiot. He just had that knowledge for some days. As you might have noticed, Ulic's tells the Jedi his whereabouts and immediatly after that you have the Jedi attacking Yavin 4. So some days did pass and Kun plundered entire ships filled with knowledge. Jedi Knowledge that was. How would that have made him significantly more powerful or affect his Dark Side knowledge in any way, huh ?

Other then Ossus was said to be a collection of all knowledge in the Galaxy meaning, there was probably some DS knowledge in there. As said he gains Odans holocron AFTER his duel with Ulic. huh ?

Urm. How does a status that everybody receives sooner or later is a testament for her skill ?

No, every Jedi doesn't raise to the rank of master.

She did sit in the Jedi Council, yes. So did Ki-Adi-Mundi who has been noted to just have archieved that position because of his immense logical abilities not because of his power or lightsaber skills. So what ?

The first Jedi council which means they logically weren't choosing members based off there deduction abilities but they were choosing the strongest and wisest Jedi Masters as Bastila says about Vrook and Vandar two of the High council members.

Reflection of his power ? What power are you talking about ? Aside from not falling into pieces he didn't demonstrate any special abilities. Really powerful the guy.

What the f*ck are you talking about? I said "How are those quotes a reflection of his power?" your response doesn't even make sense in this context, and I'd think being able hold your body together by your sheer hatred and your hold on the force makes your pretty damn powerful.

Sorry. This is actually the case. People hiding their force presence would simply give Nihilus no target to attack with his force drain. Dooku for example descripes Sidious as a "black hole" in the force because of his mastery of the matching ability (RotS novel). That doesn't mean that they would automatically beat him only that it would render his most precious attack useless.

Except in all the cases of "hiding your presence." it can still be found under scrutiny, and as said before Nihlius can sniff out the force in GRASS. Some force user hiding himself won't do much.

You did actually notice how Dooku cuts one of Anakin's lightsabers into pieces in AotC ? You did notice how Obi-Wan repeats that action with one of Grievous lightsabers in RotS ?

Great, in both those cases it represents someone with an umpteenth more skill then their opponent, the question would now be: if Ulic could do that, why didn't he when he was fighting Kun the first time? Logical Answer: He CAN'T.

And notice how you questioned Vodo's weapon choice. His stick technically can't be shattered by a lightsaber

Glad you dropped so many points though. And Exar Kun > Revan? No. Even as a Jedi? Hell no.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well...that's an insightful response.

Your argument is dead

My argument is alive as ever.

Nihilus has shown more power than anyone except Palpatine and is thus second only to him.

Let me know when Kun or Revan drain planets or move fleets with their TK, alright?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
My argument is alive as ever.

Nihilus has shown more power than anyone except Palpatine and is thus second only to him.

Let me know when Kun or Revan drain planets or move fleets with their TK, alright?

Your argument never existed. Let me know when Nihilus can perform force storms or a thought bomb, or black lightning. Oh wait, your logic is stupid, and you lose once again. Go outside.

Your argument never existed. Let me know when Nihilus can perform force storms or a thought bomb, or black lightning. Oh wait, your logic is stupid, and you lose once again. Go outside.

Let me ask.

Does black lightning, thught bombs or Force Storms (I'm presuming it's not Sidious' Force Storm) leave a planet totally dead with nothing but "echoes"? Does it lift fleets from gravity wells?

Nope, but there's no defense for any of them, and many techniques>1 technique. Since you're intellectually devoid, I'm not going to spell it out for you fanboy.

Nope, but there's no defense for any of them,

Well, I'm not saying this is right but here's what I found on the Thought Bomb.

"Formed through an ancient ritual requiring the combined will of many powerful Sith Lords, the thought bomb, when triggered, unleashed the pure destructive energy of the dark side."
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thought_bomb

So why does a ritual weapon that requires several Sith Lords to perform mean anything?

For Force Storms, do you mean Palpatine's kind?

And finally, what is black lightning?