Borbarad
Advocatus Diaboli
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Great, and what you still don't get is your talking about a PADAWAN, and as said your obviously wrong, as Malak himself seems to think the Exile is pretty damn skilled, she was skilled to the point that she was as Kreia says, feared by the Mandalorians, whom as you seem to agree where at the strongest they'd ever been, That was confirmed don't argue against it.
No. What you don't get is that I'm talking about talent which doesn't grow over time so that "You're talking about a Padawan crap" is meaningless. You can just be what you are. And the Exile had no special talents - she was average. It doesn't matter what she experienced later on...that thing simply won't change.
And for the Kreia saying the Mandalorians feared her and Malak considering her a threat, please give me some quotes. Either proof up or shut up.
Again, had you been right about the average crap, you'd have a point, but as seen through in countless examples in Star Wars, war and conflict brings out the best in Jedi, serving to make them more powerful, what did the Exile face? Three years of one of the most bloody wars in galactic history against opponents as the KOTOR games note that one Mandalorian was equal to 10 Republic soldiers. Not to mention these same warriors had fear and respect for the Exile, so really your "she's average." argument is pretty damn bull shit.
Lmfao. In case you didn't notice it. Ulic did spent four years of his live fighting in the Great Sith War. He started with fighting Beast Riders, than the Dark Siders on Onderon (Amanoa, Ommin and followers like Warb Null), then the Krath in the Emperess Teta system (droids, warriors and Satal Keto), then Kun, then Mandalore. And he did already start off as extraordinary gifted student of the force and pretty skilled duellist due to the fact that his entire family tree is filled with Jedi Knights.
Now in that days he:
- tooled Warb Null (guy in magical Sith armor possessed by an ancient Sith spirit)
- killed King Ommin (technically) who managed to floor an entire group of Jedi with a single force attack and managed to hold Arca as prisoner using his Dark Side powers
- slaughtered Satal Keto
- stalemated Exar Kun
- defeated Mandalore
And the Jedi Exile did participate in the war how exactly ? Oh yes. As general which such great skill that the Battle of Dagary Minor under the command of the Jedi Exile which was viewed as "debacle" in later decades. There's nothing said about the actualy combat activities of the Exile in the Mandalorian War aside of that.
Oh My, really of the marker with that one, the point was: you going off on how uber Ulic is simply because he wasn't called average as a padawan, which you pointed out gave him more "possibilities." The Exile however due to her bonding nature is not limited by her current status and there are no caps for her power, and she doesn't have to befriend people for the bond to be made all thats needed is an extended period of time being around her. That was the point.
No. The point that I was talking about is TALENT. You can't learn to be talented, neither through force bonds or force draining abilities. That might give you an (unknown) amount of raw force power but your talent determines with what degree of efficiency. And the only thing to counter talent is a) superior knowledge or b) superior control. Again I can side Anakin as example for both. He was extremely talented and also had the highest amount of raw force power in the PT era. Yet because Dooku had superior knowledge, he was capable of defeating him (AotC) and because Obi-Wan had superior control he was able to stalemate him in direct force contest and then defeat him in the lightsaber fight (RotS).
Now the Exile (via force bonds or draining opponents) might have a greater amount of raw force power than Ulic (and even that would be debateable) but she clearly doesn't have his knowledge, his control or his talent
Oh My, The Exile has her own reasons for as to why she followed Revans orders (they are in affect "your" reasons for as to whys he followed Revan) however you seem to have missed to fact that she was the ONLY person to disobey Revan and NOT follow him to the outer rim. And I've already dealt with the "average" crap.
That "reason" was that she completely lost her force connection in the destruction of Malachor V in case you didn't notice that. And you dealt with the "average crap" ? That's nice since you aren't capable of even understanding it.
Because its IMPOSSIBLE to due so. Nice Job.
Oh right. Nihilus in the cut content is simply whiping the floor with Sion rather easily and Sion therefore leaves him alone. Kreia is keeping Sion as her personal pet later on. Yet the Exile has to talk him into death to get beyond him. I wonder why ?
Which flows into the point of:"He was at his prime at the end of his life."
Yeah, that of one Sith Lord, Naga Sadow, the same knowledge Naad had, and isn't it when he takes the knowledge from Ossus that he is stated with having attained:
"More knowledge then he can ever use."
Thus my point, all his "Leet" events occur AFTER his duel with Ulic which lead us to believe that he was only increasing in power, and when he fought Ulic he was not at his full potential.
How stupid can somebody be ?
First Nadd did never have the entire knowledge of Sadow since it was protected by that nice wormthing Exar tooled using the amulet in case you didn't notice it.
Nice how you ignored the fact that Kun didn't archieve new knowledge after the duel with Ulic until the point where he plundered Ossus. That means he was capable of performing all his "leet feats" at the time of the duel already as he learned nothing new. He at that point in time says himself that he learned everything about the powers of the Sith. Now what does he use to perform his "leet feats" ? His Sith knowledge which he already had at the duel. The only exception here would be his new weapon and the corresponding style. Wow. His knowledge and his amount of power in terms of force control didn't change.
Thats also super, but when where any of the three before mentioned to be ANYTHING special in combat? Oh yeah, they weren't.
Yeah. Everybody is able to tool Massassi with bare hands and has enough physical strength to shatter a helmet...
And that was BEFORE his training on Malachor, which after that he has the skill to beat Jedi Masters (Vash).
Uhh...yeah. He can't be killed. Must be hard for somebody to overcome a Jedi Master in that condition. Aside from the fact that you don't have any idea how Sion actually captured her or killed her. For all you know he could have invaded the academy on Korriban with a nice amount of Sith Assassins and together with them killed Lonna Vash.
And going by Sidious outward appearance he looks like he gotten the shit beat out of him, and like he's hadn't slept for years (which he hasn't). I think you get the point.
With the difference that we exactly know why Sidious looks like he does, right ? Aside of the fact that I didn't see Sidious eye falling out or some nice parts of his skin falling off. And he definetly didn't break his own bones.
Thats nice ,and yet there is, and she does the same thing he does.
Urm. You did notice that this ability did consume Nihilus himself ? He did need persons to drain otherwise he would have died which is pretty apparent. Yet you're making it look as if he simply drains and archieves new power. Obviously not the case as that power seems to vanish again - hence his need to drain again. There really is no power beyond his hunger.
Because of extenuating circumstances.
Lmao. That's actually a weak excuse for an argument. Either Nihilus is too stupid to apply basic tactics in confrontation (focus on the Exile's team realizing he can't drain her) or he's not skilled enough to take them out of the battle. It's exactly like I said: If his force drain fails him, he's nothing special anymore.
I really don't care, just cause he's not the greatest tactical mind in no way takes away from his power.
And since the display of his power is limited to lifting a starship from a planet aside from his force drain, he must be god ? Wow. He can sucessfully use telekinesis and aside of that he can...err...yes. What is it that he can do exactly aside of that ? If that is the testament of his power one might say that Kyp Duron already surpassed him in the JA trilogy by lifting the Sun Crusher out of the massive gravitational field of the gas giant Yavin.
And that would amount to...oh yeah The Exile and Luke. Nice list long list of people isn't it!
As the defence is to minimize or hide the own force presence the list would actually more likely include every Sith from Bane's time on (they practiced the corresponding technique), almost the entire NJO (Falanassi abilities taught by Luke) and certain people like Tholme (capable of switching his connection to the force on and off at will) or Thon (who apparently managed resist the drain attack that killed Ambria). Now you can write that people in a list - would be damn long actually.