I'm not saying I am for right to bear arms. Not saying I am against it. Has pros. Has cons.
Both people have a point, but I am not going to say that because of people like this that the right should be taken away. If we used extreme cases for all points then no real progress could be made with logic.
Originally posted by wuTaThat's rather conceited.
If there in them, yea, thats kinda the point, but hopefully by mentioning the word prayer, this doesn't turn 15 pages of religious babbling.
Originally posted by wuTaJust a statement. It doesn't mitigate the actions or lack thereof taken by the authorities.
No, but you can warn them a lunatic is on the loose, and have them take precautions against that lunatic while the authorities take over the situation.
Originally posted by wuTaSomeone clearly doesn't understand the joy of bear arms.
That doesn't make sense, my post had to do with the frustration of reading 15 pages of babling about gun control, not to do with anything about me bearing arms. I left my opionion about gun control out of the discussion to aviod further babbling, of course I was naive in thinking such a thing.
Originally posted by Eclipso
Guns serve one purpose, to take life. And it should be taken away, it's an outdated peice of legislation.
Guns take life. Soldiers do what? Not saying that we should all just run and shoot everyone we have problems with but come on. If someone puts a nuke up the ass of America what do you think they will do? Ghandi's ideas are very nice from an ethical standpoint, but I'm going to assume you know what happened to the people that followed the doctrine.
If everyone valued my life as much as I did, I would agree with what you said full heartedly, but since people tend to not give a **** about the next man I can not support that without some sort of hesitation.
Protection is protection.
What do you mean by outdated? I just want to ask rather than I assume I know for certain.
Originally posted by wuTa
That doesn't make sense, my post had to do with the frustration of reading 15 pages of babling about gun control, not to do with anything about me bearing arms. I left my opionion about gun control out of the discussion to aviod further babbling, of course I was naive in thinking such a thing.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The "appeal" that one desires the firearm as a precaution against the possibility of assault with a firearm? It's a little bit circular. The accessibility to firearms is needed as a contingency due to danger posed by the accessibility to firearms. Although I can empathise somewhat.The desire to build a collection of firearms I don't get.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Someone clearly doesn't understand the joy of bear arms.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To think, US customs were going to ban a Transformers reissue toy because it transforms into a life-sized toy gun, but have now "settled" for opening the packaging and editing it.Yet, you can buy an ACTUAL gun for less, in any common store.
-AC
In the early 80's (or around then) an officer accidentally shot a child because he had a toy gun that looked real. Since then, toy guns cannot look real for the safety of children.
So? Children can't buy guns and there's a waiting period for certain firearms.
Originally posted by chithappens
Guns take life. Soldiers do what? Not saying that we should all just run and shoot everyone we have problems with but come on. If someone puts a nuke up the ass of America what do you think they will do? Ghandi's ideas are very nice from an ethical standpoint, but I'm going to assume you know what happened to the people that followed the doctrine.If everyone valued my life as much as I did, I would agree with what you said full heartedly, but since people tend to not give a **** about the next man I can not support that without some sort of hesitation.
Protection is protection.
What do you mean by outdated? I just want to ask rather than I assume I know for certain.
Do you guys even read over anything thats been said? The right to bear arms is a relic of colonial times when there wasn't an established police force and people were responsible for their own protection. Now it is no longer needed. And for the millionth time, people in several countries in Europe have otulawed Guns and they still protect themselves just fine.
Originally posted by Eclipso
Do you guys even read over anything thats been said? The right to bear arms is a relic of colonial times when there wasn't anestablished police force and people were responsible for their own protection. Now it is no longer needed. And for the millionth time, people in several countries in Europe jave otulawed Guns and they still protect themselves just fine.
Ok, you skipped everything else I said but yea, to address what you said:
Why is it no longer needed? A house is really not all that safe. Kick a window through and you are into any house.
I guess you are going to explain to us how Europeans protect themselves "just fine." I'm not saying because they still have rape, murder, and the such that it is making my point. I'm saying it will be around regardless. Some will misuse bear arms for their own purposes. Others will use it as it was intended: for protection.
The issue of arms is far more complicated than an issue of ethics since the government, security, insurance companies, and so on all make money from the fear of being a victim. Maybe I'll make a topic to discuss that later.
Originally posted by Eclipso
No it's people with guns. Guns serve no other purpose but to kill. Thats all they do and all they are ment to do , we can lvie just fine without them.
You continually rant on and on like guns are the cause of all the worlds evil. Do you seriously think if every gun on the planet vanished crime would just stop? Psycho murderers would just say "meh, I guess I won't kill my neighbors."
Well compared to Europe, the US has an astronomically higher crime and murder rate. So the Guns really aren't protecting you. And i guess the manage without them. I know you will never actually seperate blood thirsty hicks from their beloved killing toys. But until you do, terrible instances like this one will keep happening and probably get worse.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Guns don't kill people... people kill people... But they often use guns to do so.
If someone wants to kill somebody, a gun isn't the only way. Most gun crimes are committed by criminals, not Joe Average with the shotgun in the closet for home protection or Bill Bob HeeHaw with the arsenal in his house. Criminals tend to have guns regardless of gun laws as they obtain them illegally.
Originally posted by RobtardIt's probably the most convenient way. IIRC most of the guns sold in the U.S. are manufactured in the U.S. It would make more sense to legislate the tap rather than the water... or minitiure taps that stem the giant tap in the funky multitap house.
If someone wants to kill somebody, a gun isn't the only way. Most gun crimes are committed by criminals, not Joe Average with the shotgun in the closet for home protection or Bill Bob HeeHaw with the arsenal in his house. Criminals tend to have guns regardless of gun laws as they obtain them illegally.
Frankly someone named Bill Bob HeeHaw having an arsenal in his house concerns me.
Similar to how I do not think there are problems with the systems of government that have been put in place. The problem is the people.
Any government could work but people are deceptive, incentive-driven
creatures that are fooled easily by foolish lies and creative (or at times idiotic) rhetoric with no basis like racism.
Originally posted by chithappens
Some will misuse bear arms for their own purposes. Others will use it as it was intended: for protection.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You must never misuse bear arms. You'll break the sacred covenant. And whatever you do comes back times three.
Originally posted by Eclipso
Well compared to Europe, the US has an astronomically higher crime and murder rate. So the Guns really aren't protecting you. And i guess the manage without them. I know you will never actually seperate blood thirsty hicks from their beloved killing toys. But until you do, terrible instances like this one will keep happening and probably get worse.
How many of those "astronomically high" crimes are committed with a gun? You're a tool "blood thirsty hicks"? This crime wasn't caused by a "blood thirsty hick". So there goes that theory.
Originally posted by Eclipso
Well compared to Europe, the US has an astronomically higher crime and murder rate. So the Guns really aren't protecting you. And i guess the manage without them. I know you will never actually seperate blood thirsty hicks from their beloved killing toys. But until you do, terrible instances like this one will keep happening and probably get worse.
That's terribly satrical and unfair without context. If you do not know the details of how this things came to be, then you are without a valid point.
It is the fault of the government that things got as they are. The tops are profiting. That's the sad truth of it.