Muhammed- The Peadophile

Originally posted by leonheartmm
researching the paronormal is different than making dum self righteous comments. i wasnt researching to prove or disprove the existance of one. just out of curiosity and based on some evidence. nor was i trying to back a dogmatic creed or relegion.

"argh, all i can say is that i DID find out about him, n from a reliable source. there was also a hint that he might not be a complete demon, thas all i know, n wanna find out more. it kinda affects sumthin directly related to me."

Kinda seems like you believed in this demon.

Originally posted by muslimscholar
God created us and he wants us not be gay that is his choice we cant argue with him can we? he sent rules down for us to folo and if we cant folo gods rules then we fail the test and go to hell

Originally posted by Eis
I am sure there are passages that could also seem to promote peace and mercy but that doesn't stop Muslim nations to allow men to beat up their wives, hang gays and whip adulterers. That is the reality of Islam today, even if they talk beautifully of paradises and peace, today Muslim nations and Muslims themselves promote some violences which we in the west see as vile.

No, but if they try to stop it then they are perceived as immoral or "brainwashed by the western media" you see performing the action is bad but so is condoning it.

Thats not true in many majority Islam nations. If a nation has an Islamicist government, say Iran, it may not be stopped (which it should be) but its not necessarily encouraged by the state. Thats also doesn't mean that all Iranians are out hanging gays. Large regions of Iran are very modrate.

Most Muslims probably don't beat their wives and may not even think its ok. You're asking for a culture to be perfect, which is a stupid request, becuase no culture is ever going to be so.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
1) Prove it

2) You just said the Quran teaches us not to kill or be violent, but you are okay with hanging gays....you are contradicting yourself, as is your Holy book.

you tell me where it says in the quran that kill all non muslims kill them all?

Originally posted by muslimscholar
you tell me where it says in the quran that kill all non muslims kill them all?

Originally posted by Eis
"i have no idea who he is, just found out about him n thought sum1 might help me find more, its sorta important n i cant find nuthin on google."

"argh, all i can say is that i DID find out about him, n from a reliable source. there was also a hint that he might not be a complete demon, thas all i know, n wanna find out more. it kinda affects sumthin directly related to me."

Kinda seems like you believed in this demon.

what is this mockery? lets just say i beieve/d in a person. all i had was evidence for a so called demon{to which i have no exact definition myself other than the presence of paronormal aspects to the stated being}. n i wished to investigate. the fact that it affected me personally wasnt because i believed in such things{as u assume} real life situations are a tad more complex than that.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why are you asking a completely irrelivant question?

how is irrelevent kali said the quran promotes violence and says kill all non muslims

Originally posted by muslimscholar
how is irrelevent kali said the quran promotes violence and says kill all non muslims

Originally posted by leonheartmm
what is this mockery? lets just say i beieve/d in a person. all i had was evidence for a so called demon{to which i have no exact definition myself other than the presence of paronormal aspects to the stated being}. n i wished to investigate. the fact that it affected me personally wasnt because i believed in such things{as u assume} real life situations are a tad more complex than that.

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Originally posted by Eis
I am sure there are passages that could also seem to promote peace and mercy but that doesn't stop Muslim nations to allow men to beat up their wives, hang gays and whip adulterers. That is the reality of Islam today, even if they talk beautifully of paradises and peace, today Muslim nations and Muslims themselves promote some violences which we in the west see as vile.

No, but if they try to stop it then they are perceived as immoral or "brainwashed by the western media" you see performing the action is bad but so is condoning it.

That is not the reality of Islam today. That is the reality of sensationalist news stories that have been propagated through the media. I implore you, take a moment to read the literature that has come out of the middle east within the last 80 years or so. You could learn a lot.

A substantial discourse could be formed against the accusation of domestic violence in Muslim countries alone. For example:

According to Southern Connecticut University, some 28 million woman in the US are subjected to domestic violence (that's over half of all married women, btw). According to that same study, 3 out of 5 women will be battered in their lifetime.

And the logical conclusion? Well, obviously our Christian nation is not only failing prevent this, it is actually promoting domestic violence.

As I'm sure you'll also conclude, this is a ridiculous notion. The case follows similarly for Muslim nations. The issue is not with Islam itself, no more than our problems here are fueled by Christianity's moral subset. The problems lie in humanity itself, compounded with what an individual perceives as acceptable behavior. Muslim authors, both men and women, have been speaking out against domestic violence in their writing through publication since the 1920's.

The fear of "Westernization" is not entirely unfounded. But the fear held by the general public is not against these "immoral" behaviors. The fear is for the typically stereotyped "western" values of material possession and obsession with wealth over concern for others, promiscuity, work in excess and a lack of contentment, laziness, etc. That said, it is as ridiculous to accuse all westerners of these traits as to accuse the entirety of Islam of behavioral stereotypes like promotion of domestic violence and other hate crimes.

This post is not targeted exclusively at you. Your post merely summed up well what I've seen pop up repeatedly on this thread and a select other threads on this forum. One cannot simply sum up all Muslims as being a certain way--or of all practicing a certain form of Islam.

In order to avoid excessive length, I'll end this point with that. I'm sure many opportunities in the future to pick apart details and expand on my viewpoints will present themselves.

religious people VASTLY and DISPROPORTIONATELY outnumber nonreligious folk in prison.

Religious cultures of honor are more likely to condone violence and murder for reasons that people from secularized places would not.

Every society is a culture of honor.

Originally posted by inimalist
religious people VASTLY and DISPROPORTIONATELY outnumber nonreligious folk in prison.

Religious cultures of honor are more likely to condone violence and murder for reasons that people from secularized places would not.

so religous people are more likely to be criminal?

Apparently. Some would argue that many weak willed people are drawn to religion and they might be right (I haven't seen the evidence, but it's possible). That may actually be a good thing though as it helps a lot of those people cope.

I would disagree. Giving weak-willed people an, imo, incomplete way to cope merely supresses problems and does not address them.

It's a good thing considering that they would likely remain completely unaddressed. Also, it can connect them to the help they need and for many people it can be completely life changing in a positive way.

I never said that it wasn't helpful short term...I question the ability of religion to address the complete needs of man, providing a cure (if there is such a thing) instead of a cover for a wound.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
what is this mockery? lets just say i beieve/d in a person. all i had was evidence for a so called demon{to which i have no exact definition myself other than the presence of paronormal aspects to the stated being}. n i wished to investigate. the fact that it affected me personally wasnt because i believed in such things{as u assume} real life situations are a tad more complex than that.

Originally posted by Alliance
Thats not true in many majority Islam nations. If a nation has an Islamicist government, say Iran, it may not be stopped (which it should be) but its not necessarily encouraged by the state. Thats also doesn't mean that all Iranians are out hanging gays. Large regions of Iran are very modrate.

Most Muslims probably don't beat their wives and may not even think its ok. You're asking for a culture to be perfect, which is a stupid request, becuase no culture is ever going to be so.

Originally posted by MyOwnMuse
That is not the reality of Islam today. That is the reality of sensationalist news stories that have been propagated through the media. I implore you, take a moment to read the literature that has come out of the middle east within the last 80 years or so. You could learn a lot.

A substantial discourse could be formed against the accusation of domestic violence in Muslim countries alone. For example:

According to Southern Connecticut University, some 28 million woman in the US are subjected to domestic violence (that's over half of all married women, btw). According to that same study, 3 out of 5 women will be battered in their lifetime.

And the logical conclusion? Well, obviously our Christian nation is not only failing prevent this, it is actually promoting domestic violence.

As I'm sure you'll also conclude, this is a ridiculous notion. The case follows similarly for Muslim nations. The issue is not with Islam itself, no more than our problems here are fueled by Christianity's moral subset. The problems lie in humanity itself, compounded with what an individual perceives as acceptable behavior. Muslim authors, both men and women, have been speaking out against domestic violence in their writing through publication since the 1920's.

The fear of "Westernization" is not entirely unfounded. But the fear held by the general public is not against these "immoral" behaviors. The fear is for the typically stereotyped "western" values of material possession and obsession with wealth over concern for others, promiscuity, work in excess and a lack of contentment, laziness, etc. That said, it is as ridiculous to accuse all westerners of these traits as to accuse the entirety of Islam of behavioral stereotypes like promotion of domestic violence and other hate crimes.

This post is not targeted exclusively at you. Your post merely summed up well what I've seen pop up repeatedly on this thread and a select other threads on this forum. One cannot simply sum up all Muslims as being a certain way--or of all practicing a certain form of Islam.

In order to avoid excessive length, I'll end this point with that. I'm sure many opportunities in the future to pick apart details and expand on my viewpoints will present themselves.

Now tell me, isn't it ridiculous that a man to be charged of rape four other men must've witnessed the act (cause criminal actions always take place in public places with lots of witnesses). Isn't it disgusting what happened to Mahmoud Asgari and the other kid? That muslim women cannot divorce their husbands even if they beat them up?
The difference, Myownmuse, regarding domestic violence, is that in the US hitting your wife is illegal and it is grounds for arrest.

All those things you can trace back to the Islamic faith. The Bible may also teach atrocities but Christian-majority countries do not commit half the atrocities Islamic countries do.

As I said I am not on an anti-Islam crusade, I am simply saying that the current state of most Muslim nations are deplorable.

Originally posted by MyOwnMuse
That is not the reality of Islam today. That is the reality of sensationalist news stories that have been propagated through the media. I implore you, take a moment to read the literature that has come out of the middle east within the last 80 years or so. You could learn a lot.

A substantial discourse could be formed against the accusation of domestic violence in Muslim countries alone. For example:

According to Southern Connecticut University, some 28 million woman in the US are subjected to domestic violence (that's over half of all married women, btw). According to that same study, 3 out of 5 women will be battered in their lifetime.

And the logical conclusion? Well, obviously our Christian nation is not only failing prevent this, it is actually promoting domestic violence.

As I'm sure you'll also conclude, this is a ridiculous notion. The case follows similarly for Muslim nations. The issue is not with Islam itself, no more than our problems here are fueled by Christianity's moral subset. The problems lie in humanity itself, compounded with what an individual perceives as acceptable behavior. Muslim authors, both men and women, have been speaking out against domestic violence in their writing through publication since the 1920's.

The fear of "Westernization" is not entirely unfounded. But the fear held by the general public is not against these "immoral" behaviors. The fear is for the typically stereotyped "western" values of material possession and obsession with wealth over concern for others, promiscuity, work in excess and a lack of contentment, laziness, etc. That said, it is as ridiculous to accuse all westerners of these traits as to accuse the entirety of Islam of behavioral stereotypes like promotion of domestic violence and other hate crimes.

This post is not targeted exclusively at you. Your post merely summed up well what I've seen pop up repeatedly on this thread and a select other threads on this forum. One cannot simply sum up all Muslims as being a certain way--or of all practicing a certain form of Islam.

In order to avoid excessive length, I'll end this point with that. I'm sure many opportunities in the future to pick apart details and expand on my viewpoints will present themselves.

Please do NOT bring up vilence against women in the USA and compare them to those of Middle East or any Mullah lead countries.

USA, actually, has a much better access and better founded women centres for domestic violence and rape, than many countries can speak of, actually, that includes England.
Their laws have recently been changed for domestic abuse, and rape. (to better) something we're still catching up on in England.

Due to non-bible wielding education, for most Americans, women in USA are more prone to reporting abuse, as they know there is help available to them.
You came up with report statistics yourself!

In Islamic countries this does not happen, and it is simple matter of fact. women are beaten, raped on daily bases, because according to Qur'an, husband can do so.
If a women is RAPED she needs to produce 5 withnesses, and if she does not, she is stoned for zina.
Women have noone to report it to.

Just recently, a woman was captured by Mullah militants, for peaceful protest, she was taken into custody, and repetedly analy raped with a baseball bat. Then she was released with tons of money on her, but died of internal injuries. They wont give girls body back to their parents.

So don't tell me about sensationalist news, because this kind of crap never makes it on many TVs in England or West.

You're right. Middle East is different now. It has turned into a breeding ground for extremist Allahtoyahs, who, not only are bleating hate to young Muslims in mosques, but are actually in power as well!!Women rights abuses are amongst worse in Islamic countries.

Furhtermore, comparing USA to any Middle Eastern country (or west for that matter) is absolutey ridiculous.
Women are still abused, but west has put so much money into developing programs, for both men and women, for rape victims, both men and women, for laws on rape and laws on domestic violence..etc, so comparing them is just silly.