Wow Alliance, at first I thought you were being eagerly PC, I can see you are simply an idiot, or rather, bring up idiotic points... Nah, probably just the former.
Well, I really dont think the US could be better 🙄.
Isn't it discusting what happened at Virginia Tech? There. I've named more instances of violence than you so Virginia must be the most violent and deplorable area in the world.
Does it matter? Is even close to every case of domestic violence reported or prosecuted? Talk abou a raging double standard.
Just bcause you can trace it back doesn't mean its a causal realtion ship. There are MANY other factors here. Islam is NOT the main one. Its not logical for it to be the main factor.
I know, any nation with Muslims in it is simply deporable.
Didn’t you wrote that Muslim women should work in kitchen and take care of her kids , cover her face ???In which verse or Hadith did u read about this ???
As for the "work in the kitchen and raise kids" I know english is not your first language but it was pretty clear that when I said those things it wasn't in a "as matter of fact" way, it was just a satirical comparison of Islam's way of dealing with women and American 50s idea of what women were supposed to be like. However, it's still completely screwed up that women in some Islamic countries have to get permission from their husbands to work, and even if there is no particular hadith or Quranic verse that explicitly instructs that, it happens because of the way the Quran and the Islamic faith imprints it on every muslim that women are not as good as men. Can you not see what they say about women when they say that they only get half the inheritance their brothers get? Or that there has to be 8 female witnesses to a rape or 4 males? You are so blind to the blatant sexism your faith promotes, you even attempt to justify it.
Islam prohibits men from hitting women, except in one very limited case when the wife is rebellious and disobedient - not when she disobeys one request or order - and only as a last resort. The husband should first admonish her, then abandon her bed if she continues to be rebellious, and only if those steps have failed “may be” hit, not beat, her. The earliest commentators understood that the hitting was to be light enough, not to leave a mark and should be done with nothing bigger than a miswak (tooth stick).
Ok about adulterers ..Some scholars of respected opinion discuss the point that there is no Qur'anic verse that clearly states stoning as a punishment. The majority insist on applying this punishment, which was originally prescribed in the Biblical Law enforced on the Jews and was mentioned in the hadiths of Prophet Muhammad. It is, of course, understandable that the punishment prescribed by the Jewish Law could have been implemented by the Prophet in some cases.and you might know the results of allowing a dultury ..women and children has no officially rights as others people ,many sexual diseases ,even the government itself will suffer from them .
Originally posted by Alfheim
Muslim countries arent exactly brilliant either. If a woman gets raped she can get punished for it and you get honour killings in Turkey and on top of that in some places they have to cover up.
My God and the Phelps family hates gays. ALL AMERICANS ARE HOMOPHOBES.
People who are bashing Islam need to stop making up shit. If you FEEL there are issues, PROVE THEM. Don't say, "a woman was raped in a Muslim country therefore all Muslims are rapists." Give me FACTS to show that these problems are both endemic in Islamic societies and are direct cause of Islam.
Originally posted by Eis
Wow Alliance, at first I thought you were being eagerly PC, I can see you are simply an idiot, or rather, bring up idiotic points... Nah, probably just the former.
Originally posted by EisWell then were do you draw the line between an ok society that needs improvement and a bad societyy that needs improvement? Or is it simply your illogical and irrational assessment.
Yes, I can see how that response is appropriate, remember that time I claimed America was a utopia that didn't need any work? Yeah...
Originally posted by Eis
Oh indeed, good point, seeing as it was all condoned by the government.
Muslim Nation: Treat your wives well but if they are disobedient as a last resort, beat them.
Didn't Bush say the same thing in the State of the Union? Something of the like at least... No?
Regardless of whether the women report the husbands or not it is illegal, stop being so childish.
Originally posted by Eis
Precisement! That is exactly what I meant! God, you are so perceptive, you!
Considering you can't even define what a "Muslim nation" is. If you mean Majority Muslim nation then your talking bullshit like usual. If you mean Islamic Nation, we might be getting somwhere. Maybe if you were perceptive enough to understand the connotations of your words and elquent enough to properly articulate coherent arguements, we wouldn't be having this idiotic discussion.
Originally posted by Eis
It is the one factor that Muslim politicians use to defend the behavior.
Keith Ellison did this? He is a Muslim politician.
Wow. Bashing. Now we are getting somewhere. Or is it just that you have no points left?
Well then were do you draw the line between an ok society that needs improvement and a bad societyy that needs improvement? Or is it simply your illogical and irrational assessment.
Condoned vs supported. If a government, say Pakistan, doesn't have control over a tirbal mountain clan, how do you blame the government for not prosecuting a rape. They can't even get thier soldier in, let alone a prosecution team.
Considering you can't even define what a "Muslim nation" is. If you mean Majority Muslim nation then your talking bullshit like usual. If you mean Islamic Nation, we might be getting somwhere. Maybe if you were perceptive enough to understand the connotations of your words and elquent enough to properly articulate coherent arguements, we wouldn't be having this idiotic discussion.
Keith Ellison did this? He is a Muslim politician.
Can you get over your whole "zOMG stop bashing teh muslims!! you think they all want to kill us!! XENOPHOBE!!" I've probably been exposed to much more ethnic culture than you have anyway, including Muslim culture.
Originally posted by Alfheim
At any rate its not like Islamic countries are perfect either. 🙄
there is no Proper mulim country in the world If the shria was folowed propelry then the wont be any rapist there wont be any thevies there waont be any murderous and there were be any injustice. Muslim countries arnt following the shria. isted as you said before there are honour killingd=s which are not even islamic
Originally posted by FatimaProve those quotes are legit. You've just stated you have therefore if you don't it will be evidence that you were lying.
Yes , those hadiths are Accredited , the followers and wives of the prophet memorized it and then some of the narrators (who must has a special qualities )save it .
so much for peaceful monks eh
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Originally posted by muslimscholar
so much for peaceful monks ehhttp://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,70141-1261670-1,00.html
Just remember that the next time you piss me off. 😆 😂
Originally posted by Eis
Once again he does it! These perception skills of yours... They are an art, I tell you.
Originally posted by EisSo Iran has homosexuality issues. Now is this an Iranian issue or an Islamic issue?
Uh... Don't know really, however the first hint may be when the government hangs gays and flogs adulterers.
Originally posted by Eis
What the ****? Are you serious? I said "the government condones spousal abuse" and this is what you give me? Too good...
Originally posted by Eis
This is actually the only thing you've said that actually holds weight. I didn't specify what my meaning was when I said "Muslim nation" in this case I mean the muslim majority nations that accept what the Quran said about spousal abuse.
Originally posted by Eis
I would think when I say "It is the one factor that Muslim politicians use to defend the behavior." it would be blatantly obvious that I talk about muslim politicians that condone spousal abuse.
Originally posted by Eis
Can you get over your whole "zOMG stop bashing teh muslims!! you think they all want to kill us!! XENOPHOBE!!" I've probably been exposed to much more ethnic culture than you have anyway, including Muslim culture.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Furhtermore, comparing USA to any Middle Eastern country (or west for that matter) is absolutey ridiculous.
Yet, domestic violence still occours in both nations. WHat proof do you have that rape is a daily experience for women in majority Muslim nations, or is this more crap you are simply making up to pretend you have points?
Originally posted by Alliance
I wish I could say the same for your wit. Productivity? Is that on the agenda today?So Iran has homosexuality issues. Now is this an Iranian issue or an Islamic issue?
Can you address my comments or no?
How do you define accept...written into law? Because honor killings in Turkey aren't supported by the government or Islam...yet they happen anyway. Now, is that a CULTURAL problem, or religious problem?
Or you could simply be saying that all Muslims defend that type of behaviour. And since you seem to not like to distinguish between majority Muslim nations and Islamic nations, between one Muslim and another, and between the state and Islam, I don't really know what you are saying. Simple clarifier's would be in order.
I doubt that. But oh well, I guess the world is real clear at 15. Not that its clear at 20, but I do have more experience than you do.
Yet, domestic violence still occours in both nations. WHat proof do you have that rape is a daily experience for women in majority Muslim nations, or is this more crap you are simply making up to pretend you have points?
Apparently you more ignorant on more things than just Islam.
Over 5000 women and girls are killed every year by family members in so-called 'honour killings', according to the UN.
Honour killings do not appear in any other communities except Islamic.
Recorded public executions in Islamic countries.
Recorded public stonings in Islamic countries.
Ridiculously overwhelmingly women, as recorded by Amnesty International, International Campagin against Honour Killings, Human Rights Watch.
Burqa-clad and veiled women and girls, beheadings, stoning to death, floggings, child sexual abuse in the name of marriage and sexual apartheid.
Get a book. And a brain.
Originally posted by lord xyz
I don't think they're as bad the US.
Agreed.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Apparently you more ignorant on more things than just Islam.Over 5000 women and girls are killed every year by family members in so-called 'honour killings', according to the UN.
Honour killings do not appear in any other communities except Islamic.
Recorded public executions in Islamic countries.
Recorded public stonings in Islamic countries.
Ridiculously overwhelmingly women, as recorded by Amnesty International, International Campagin against Honour Killings, Human Rights Watch.Burqa-clad and veiled women and girls, beheadings, stoning to death, floggings, child sexual abuse in the name of marriage and sexual apartheid.
Get a book. And a brain.
Agreed.
honour killings is not islamic who have read the quran and hadith and you know honour killing is not even allowed in islam so why blame it on islam?
Originally posted by muslimscholar
honour killings is not islamic who have read the quran and hadith and you know honour killing is not even allowed in islam so why blame it on islam?
honour killings do not appear in any other community apart from Islamic.
Furhtermore, didn't Muhammad advise that people who have commited illegal sexual acts be stoned?
Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)Sahi Buchari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”
Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65:
Hadhrat Abdullah ibne Abbaas (Radiallahu Anhu) narrates the lecture that Hadhrat Umar (Radiallaahu Anhu) delivered whilst sitting on the pulpit of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) said, "Verily, Allah sent Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) with the truth, and revealed the Quran upon him. The verse regarding the stoning of the adulterer/ess was from amongst the verse revealed (in the Quraan). We read it, secured it and understood it. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) stoned and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time a person might say, ‘We do not find mention of stoning in the Book of Allah and thereby go astray by leaving out an obligation revealed by Allah. Verily, the stoning of a adulterer/ress is found in the Quraan and is the truth, if the witnesses are met or there is a pregnancy or confession."
Al-Bukhari:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise”.
Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others:
Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said, “No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated, “When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance”.Al-Bayhaqi:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “O mankind! Beware of fornication/adultery for it entails six dire consequences: three of them relating to this world and three to the next world. As for the three that are related to this world, they are the following: it removes the glow of one’s face, brings poverty, and reduces the life-span. As for its dire consequences in the next world they are: it brings down the wrath of Allah upon the person, subjects him to terrible reckoning, and finally casts him in hell-fire.”
Islam has much to do with honor killing practices which only do exist amongst the Muslims of the world. Had it been un-Islamic practice, we would have seen some Muslim nations prohibiting such cruel practice by Sharia law. We have not seen any Muslim country did enact any such law to curve honor killing. We have seen innumerable cases of fatwas by Mullahs to prohibit alcohol drinking, pork eating or listening western music; but never ever heard any such fatwa against honor killing.
Whats more, Islamic leaders support it fully.
Also, there is not a single evidence that a Christian or Jewish family of Jordan, Palestine, Turkey or Iran dever practiced honor killing.
I urge you muslimscholar to exaplain to me why this ''un-islamic honor killing” never happens among the non-Muslim Arab families?