So? Kyp still didnt know alot of things that kun knew, unless you want to provide a source which by the way you cant
You're right I can't because I don't own the book.
But I never said he knew all the things Kun did.
But it's not like Kyp was a novice with no knowledge whatsoever. I was just saying that he obviously learned a thing or two from Kun.
So? it was kun using kyps body and amplifying his powers
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He couldnt do shit to harm her, and from what i could see... An average force user tooled him
He didn't try to harm her. He tried to drain her. He had her held all loopy in some weird thing around her body, said some crap, stared at her, then drained her. He didn't do anything else. From the way she was wobbling and doing nothing, it looked like he could have easily pulled out his saber and cut her head off.
And as for "tooling" we don't know how the first part of th ebattle went except for Visas saying "ugh...he's too powerful."
Old Lady: Where's the tooling?
Because nihilus is a threat
Then...maybe, ya know, he'd do something else?
He has a lot of abilities. He's alsoa a ompitent lightsaber duelist. He might try to do melee before anything.
I've also heard a lot about Kun's overconfidence.
Really? Iv seen force storm, we have seen its instant, When sidious wanted to use it, he used it, How does that sound
Palpatine's Force Storms took about a second or two, IIRC. Escape argued that point.
Prove up or shut up which you have yet to do
This is very uncalled for behavior considering you were arguing exactly what I'm arguing now a while ago. I was just looking at the NJO Luke vs. Nihilus thread.
Prove to me Nihilus was somehow concentrating and preparing his drain on the Exile? All we see is that he talks some, standst there, then whips it out after I thinK Marr says "he doesn't understand" or something like that.
No we dont, but the fact remains that we have never seen nihilus use TK to kill an opponent other than choke, And sidious > kyp by the way. Kyp just did TK on a larger scale and thus doesnt mean he > sidious
I've argued DE Sidious has a chance against NJO Luke, let alone NJO Kyp. So I'm well-versed in what Palps and Kyp can do. I was simply speaking in terms of TK.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
I've backed up every statement I've made in regards to Nihilus' power.
I don't use conjecture to rank him up there in power as you do with Ragnos. I use actual feats and showings. [/B]
No you haven't, you've used ridiculous quotes as well as ridiculous logic, which proved nothing.
A quote isn't ridiculous as far as I'm concerned as long as it's not disproven or contradicted.
Now if they had said "Nihilus sneezed out a galaxy" I'd be a bit skeptical. But all we'ere told is he lifted his fleet from Malachor. No contradiction to that. We're also told he spoke and all life died on a planet...no contradiction to that.
So...they aren't ridiculous quotes just because you don't like them.
You use one feat and the rest is due to your fanboyism. Good one.
I've actually mainly used 2 feats. Both supported by quotes.
Now please, you're here all day long, get a life.
My life is not the topic at hand. Do not spam and flame, thank you.
Re: Who is the Second Most Powerful Sith?
Originally posted by Nikkolas
I think my choice is obvious.[b][size=6]Darth Nihilus
"One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."
―Kreia"He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet... that is a measure of his power."
"When my Lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died." [/B]
My argument is quotes and statements of Nihilus' power. We have feats and can determine what he can do from said feats.
My argument, in short, is facts. Something someone who supports Ragnos being uber-powerful doesn't seem to grasp. Not speculation or conjecture on what Nihilus can do. Actual facts.
Nihilus=1 technique.
Hey Darth Sexy, when are you actually gonna drop this bullshit?
1. You already know of the force drain, which as you know Nihilus can use to an insane degree, and which Traya labeled as the greatest of all sith teachings.
2. He can summon storms of force lightning, and before you come up with your usual bullshit and say that it's only in gameplay, it's not dependant on gameplay, and doesn't vary from player to player.
3. He was able to dominate the minds of and control his entire crew, and pretty much everybody around him.
4. He could use TK to a pretty insane degree, where he could pull entire fleets out of gravity wells and hold his entire ship together.
5. He knew of a technique that enabled him to transfer his consciousness into his armour, pretty obscure I'd say.
6. He had enough knowledge to fill an entire holocron.
His knowledge base clearly consists of more than 1 technique, so please stop talking rubbish.
Now please, you're here all day long, get a life.
I actually find this comment hilarious coming from you, given your 16 PPD, and the fact that you're on this forum the most out of anyone.
Originally posted by NikkolasHe was able to successfully corrupt and partly possess the extraordinarily talented and young Kyp Durron. You failQuote?
Originally posted by NikkolasRight and if he cut her up, he cant drain her and when you drain some one you kill some one, Nice logic, He didnt kill her because he wanted to feed on her
He didn't try to harm her. He tried to drain her. He had her held all loopy in some weird thing around her body, said some crap, stared at her, then drained her. He didn't do anything else. From the way she was wobbling and doing nothing, it looked like he could have easily pulled out his saber and cut her head off.
Originally posted by NikkolasVisas = weaker than nihilus, weaker than a superior = he > you. But in this case, exile, an inferior defeated nihilus
And as for "tooling" we don't know how the first part of th ebattle went except for Visas saying "ugh...he's too powerful."
Originally posted by NikkolasSee the above
Old Lady: Where's the tooling?
Originally posted by NikkolasNot if he stands before a threat, He tooled a jedi master with force grip, didnt pull out his saber there,
He has a lot of abilities. He's alsoa a ompitent lightsaber duelist. He might try to do melee before anything.
Originally posted by NikkolasAnd regarding how dangerous nihilus is, Kun will get serious
I've also heard a lot about Kun's overconfidence.
Originally posted by NikkolasYes but by argueing by your logic its instant, because we have seen him do it
Palpatine's Force Storms took about a second or two, IIRC. Escape argued that point.
Originally posted by NikkolasRight and i this time decided to read and backup my knowledge thus following logical assumptions unlike my past when i used to be a nihilus fanboy
This is very uncalled for behavior considering you were arguing exactly what I'm arguing now a while ago. I was just looking at the NJO Luke vs. Nihilus thread.
Originally posted by NikkolasProve to me he wasnt, the point is weather it is instant or not, he talked in his language and didnt drain the exile immediately
Prove to me Nihilus was somehow concentrating and preparing his drain on the Exile? All we see is that he talks some, standst there, then whips it out after I thinK Marr says "he doesn't understand" or something like that.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Hey Darth Sexy, when are you actually gonna drop this bullshit?[/qiuote]
Oh goodie, Noobaris enters the debate.1. You already know of the force drain, which as you know Nihilus can use to an insane degree, and which Traya labeled as the greatest of all sith teachings.
Traya never labeled it as the greatest of the sith teachings, she's never said anything resembling that, good lie.[quote]2. He can summon storms of force lightning, and before you come up with your usual bullshit and say that it's only in gameplay, it's not dependant on gameplay, and doesn't vary from player to player.
3. He was able to dominate the minds of and control his entire crew, and pretty much everybody around him.
4. He could use TK to a pretty insane degree, where he could pull entire fleets out of gravity wells and hold his entire ship together.
6. He had enough knowledge to fill an entire holocron.
His knowledge base clearly consists of more than 1 technique, so please stop talking rubbish.
I actually find this comment hilarious coming from you, given your 16 PPD, and the fact that you're on this forum the most out of anyone. [/B]
Oh goodie, Noobaris enters the debate.
Yeah, your bs was starting to get annoying, so I thought 'why not?'
Traya never labeled it as the greatest of the sith teachings, she's never said anything resembling that, good lie.
Yeah, I was waiting for you to attack something irrelevant, and ignore the point I was making, which was: he knows more than one technique. I'm simply just listing them.
Sorry Noobaris, but I know how you like to debate(or rather attempt) with bullshit. Unfortunately for you there's no canon source stating Nihilus knows force lightning so it is a gameplay mechanic, unless Advent states otherwise, since she has all the books detailing all the sith powers. Again, a baseless assumption.
Clearly someone has no idea how canon works. Darth Nihilus knowing lightning isn't something that varies from player to player, and happens each time, no matter what you do, so it's 100% canon.
Omgorsh, he controlled non force sensitives by being a wound, WOW!
Yeah, I was waiting for you to attack something irrelevant, and ignore the point I was making, which was: he knows more than one technique. I'm simply just listing them.
You mean the one ship he pulled out and that same ship which apparently was intact when he died? This theory has been debunked over and over by myself and Nai, so quit trying.
Yeah, I was waiting for you to attack something irrelevant, and ignore the point I was making, which was: he knows more than one technique. I'm simply just listing them.
Except for the fact that you don't know how much knowledge it takes to fill a holocron, and being able to create a holocron doesn't imply you have a lot of knowledge.
I'm sure it doesn't in Darth Sexy Land. Now please, quit being dumb, who the hell would bother making a holocron and only install a couple of techniques worth of knowledge inside? Darth Revan's holocron for example had enough knowledge to fill the entire BoD archives. The great holocron contained the entire history and knowledge of the Jedi. The whole point of holocrons were to store large amounts of knowledge in small vessels. Darth Nihilus would have filled his holocron with far more than just a few techniques, don't be dumb.
Sorry Noobaris, but only 1 technique can label him unique, otherwise he's a sith lord who lost to an average force user.
Now now, let's not be changing our stance midway through the debate. Your original assertion was that Darth Nihilus only knew of one technique, not that he only knew one 'unique' technique.
Actually you would be on this forum more than anybody, but I love the irony.
Despite your APPD being almost double mine?
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, your bs was starting to get annoying, so I thought 'why not?'
Yeah, I was waiting for you to attack something irrelevant, and ignore the point I was making, which was: he knows more than one technique. I'm simply just listing them.
Clearly someone has no idea how canon works. Darth Nihilus knowing lightning isn't something that varies from player to player, and happens each time, no matter what you do, so it's 100% canon.
I'm sure it doesn't in Darth Sexy Land. Now please, quit being dumb, who the hell would bother making a holocron and only install a couple of techniques worth of knowledge inside? Darth Revan's holocron for example had enough knowledge to fill the entire BoD archives. The great holocron contained the entire history and knowledge of the Jedi. The whole point of holocrons were to store large amounts of knowledge in small vessels. Darth Nihilus would have filled his holocron with far more than just a few techniques, don't be dumb.
Now now, let's not be changing our stance midway through the debate. Your original assertion was that Darth Nihilus only knew of one technique, not that he only knew one 'unique' technique.
Despite your APPD being almost double mine? [/B]
Well you love to lose debates and argue out of your ass and I haven't seen you do it lately so you're long overdue.
Uh huh, and sadly you haven't even taken a break from acting like a dumbass, you just go on and continue doing it, 16 times a day. 😂
I guess my point flew over your head, as it always does. I've already stated that Nihilus knows some basic techniques, yet it was ONE technique that made him unique. Try reading.
Right, now here's what you posted - "Nihilus=1 technique." Now based on the fact that you've argued that he only knows one technique in the past, it's not a fault of mine to assume that that was what you were saying this time. It's quite clearly a lack of elaboration on your part, not a lack of reading comprehension on mine. Anyways, you're still wrong, Nihilus transferring his life into his armour is a technique that's only ever been used by him, so you're wrong, and you know it, otherwise you wouldn't have ignored it in your opening rebuttal.
Oh really? Please show me where Nihilus uses force lightning, other than possibly, and I mean POSSIBLY using it on you when you fight him. Oh that's right, he doesn't. Welcome to the wonderful world of Logic Noobaris, it's missed you.
He does it every time your party faces him in KotOR, it's canon, you're lame, get over it.
Gee lets see, all that was in Nihilus' holocron was, oh wait, there was nothing really relevant in there, was there Noobaris?
What are you talking about? We don't know everything that was in the holocron, and what we do know is hardly irrelevant in respect to the debate we're having Sexy.
It's up to you to prove what was in his holocron and to somehow quantify his abilities just BECAUSE he used primitive holocron technology to make one. And seeing as how Nihilus hasn't shown a damn thing other than his ejeet force drain(due to him being a wound), I don't think there would be anything in the holocron other than explaining how he contained himself in his armor. But please Noobaris, humor me with your anti logic.
Yeah, Nihilus would have to be some kind of moron to bother making a holocron yet only fill it with a couple of techniques. The whole point of holocrons are to carry large amounts of info contained in a small storehouse, so unless Nihilus had a much larger knowledge base than what you're claiming, making the holocron would be entirely pointless, a few scrolls or a datapad would have sufficed otherwise.
Good lord Noobaris, reading comprehension. Start at the beginning of the debate.
Lack of elaboration on your part =/ bad reading comprehension on mine.
Possibly, that is if you want everyone to forget your 6+ bans and new names, so it's clear that you've been here a whole of a lot longer than myself. Thanks for the humor Noobaris
Yeah, you would only have a point if I were comparing the amount of posts between us, however I'm not, I'm comparing our average PPD, which is not something that necessarily increases over time, or with more accounts. But please, continue, this is fun, it's been a while since I've had a firsthand view of how much of a moron you are.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Uh huh, and sadly you haven't even taken a break from acting like a dumbass, you just go on and continue doing it, 16 times a day. 😂
Right, now here's what you posted - "Nihilus=1 technique." Now based on the fact that you've argued that he only knows one technique in the past, it's not a fault of mine to assume that that was what you were saying this time. It's quite clearly a lack of elaboration on your part, not a lack of reading comprehension on mine. Anyways, you're still wrong, Nihilus transferring his life into his armour is a technique that's only ever been used by him, so you're wrong, and you know it, otherwise you wouldn't have ignored it in your opening rebuttal.
He does it every time your party faces him in KotOR, it's canon, you're lame, get over it.
What are you talking about? We don't know everything that was in the holocron, and what we do know is hardly irrelevant in respect to the debate we're having Sexy.
Lack of elaboration on your part =/ bad reading comprehension on mine.
Yeah, you would only have a point if I were comparing the amount of posts between us, however I'm not, I'm comparing our average PPD, which is not something that necessarily increases over time, or with more accounts. But please, continue, this is fun, it's been a while since I've had a firsthand view of how much of a moron you are. [/B]
Awww Noobaris, parroting what I say to you how cute. I tell you it's fun to see you embarass yourself, you repeat yourself. Since you have no credibility on this forum whatsoever(due to your pathetic logic and constant argument against logic), your posts are humorous as hell. And apparently you know nothing about averaging PPDs out, because if we take all 6 of your banned accounts from the earliest day you registered, to how many posts you have overall until now, I'm more than positive you'll surpass me by miles.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
It's quite funny to keep hearing about how Nihilu slost to the Exile...it's also quite sad and pathetic, sonsidering how flawed it is.I've already refuted it but you continue.
And you need to stop saying him being a wound amplified his powers. You have no proof of this.
What have you refuted? It's funny how all the piss poor debaters constantly tell themselves they've refuted something. Guess what you fruit medley, it doesn't matter how the exile beat Nihilus, just that he did. If Nihilus had force lightning or force grip, or hell, anything impressive, he would have defeated the exile.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Nihilus is the second strongest. Then comes (in this order) Darth Bane (in his prime), Marka Ragnos and Ekar Kun/Tulak Hord (not sure who's better between those 2). Then it's Revan. Not sure about Jacen, since he apparently had a hard time defeating Aurra Sing (or so I hear).
Why would Bane be above Ragnos or Kun? And why is Tulak Hord even involved in this considering he's an unknown.
"When my Lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died."
Why would Bane be above Ragnos or Kun? And why is Tulak Hord even involved in this considering he's an unknown.