Who is the Second Most Powerful Sith?

Started by Darth Sexy7 pages
Originally posted by darthsith19
Who said that?
Bane is the Sith'ari, the perfect being, it would only make sense for him to have more potential than anyone else except the Skywalkers. Considering that receiving less than a year of training he was able to nearly best Kas'im in a duel, I can only imagine that in his prime he'd be nearly unstoppable. And Hord is no more unknown than Ragnos is. [/B]

Bane WOULD be a candidate for the sith'ari, and maybe the most likely candidate but he wasn't a perfect being because he was killed by the jedi. His potential is debatable, although I would say Kun's potential was more than anybody, and maybe even Revan. He almost bested Kas'im in a duel because he knew every move of Kas'im, so the point is moot. That's like saying Obiwan is a saber god because he defeated Anakin, or Anakin sucks because he lost to obiwan. They knew each other perfectly, and Bane still lost. Not to mention that Ragnos, while an unknown, held dominion over the entire sith empire for over a century, which speaks volumes for him considering the sith always challenge for supremacy.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Bane WOULD be a candidate for the sith'ari, and maybe the most likely candidate but he wasn't a perfect being because he was killed by the jedi.
Perhaps the prophecy, misread may have been.

A perfect being would never die, so frankly the Sith'ari would be Jesus.

What's more sad is the fact that after 6 bans and god knows how many posts, you still haven't won a debate.

Yeah, and what's more sad than that is the fact that time and again, we have these confrontations, and I'm still not hearing anything new from you. Come on now Darth Sexy, surprise me, come up with some new material, make me proud.

Wow Noobaris, can you prove it's a technique? Of course not. For all you know it came as "naturally" to him as the force drain as a result of being a wound.

Whether it comes naturally or through time spent learning doesn't change the fact that it's still a technique, and the intelligent assumption to make (something you're not too familiar with) would be that it's what actually made him a wound in a force, rather than being a result of it.

And the old Noobaris who embarasses himself arguing against facts is back! I missed you big boy. Except it's a gameplay mechanic because he can either do it once, a few times, OR NONE AT ALL. Continue the self embarassment.

Here's where you're wrong, he does it each time.

You claim he is somehow powerful because he developed a holocron. I claim that there's no correlation between the two.

Strawman fallacy, you're making this is too easy.

We're arguing whether Nihilus knew more than one unique ability (not whether making a holocron makes Nihilus powerful, silly one), so what we see from the holocron is entirely relevant, as we see that Nihilus knew of at least one other technique that was not known (to our knowledge) by anyone else.

Actually I elaborated quite well when I stated the techniques Kun knew, the techniques Sidious and Sadow knew, and then the technique of Nihilus. And if you learned how to read, you would see that none of the techniques I have mentioned have anything "basic" about them.

Right, so because all the techniques you mentioned were somewhat special (*gasp* like it couldn't have just been a coincidence!), we automatically have to assume that by 'technique', you mean 'somewhat special technique,' right? Yeah, right, more like it was a total lack of elaboration on your part.

Awww Noobaris, parroting what I say to you how cute.

Right, except for the fact that you've never compared our PPDs, so there would be nothing to parrot, so you're (as usual) talking out of your ass.

I tell you it's fun to see you embarass yourself, you repeat yourself. Since you have no credibility on this forum whatsoever(due to your pathetic logic and constant argument against logic), your posts are humorous as hell. And apparently you know nothing about averaging PPDs out, because if we take all 6 of your banned accounts from the earliest day you registered, to how many posts you have overall until now, I'm more than positive you'll surpass me by miles

I can only assume that you can't grasp the concept of averages, seeing as you're constantly acting as if a higher number of posts would absolutely mean without a doubt that there would be a higher PPD (without realising that time factors in). But whatever, I'm used to you acting dumb, it's nothing new to me, which brings me back to what I was saying earlier about you bringing back the same old crap each time. Oh well.

Bane WOULD be a candidate for the sith'ari, and maybe the most likely candidate but he wasn't a perfect being because he was killed by the jedi.

Proof that he was killed by one Jedi? As far as I am aware of, how he did is unknown.
His potential is debatable, although I would say Kun's potential was more than anybody, and maybe even Revan.

Then would you mind explaining how in less than a year, Bane became a stronger saber duelist than Kun when Kun had been training for his entire life?
He almost bested Kas'im in a duel because he knew every move of Kas'im, so the point is moot.

The hell-? Prove that Bane knew Kas'im's moves any better than Kas'im knew Bane's. Even though "Parrying his first sequence Bane realized his former Master had always been holding something in reserve? Bane had never before fought against an all-out Kas'im. So your point is moot. Mine, however, still stands.

Not to mention that Ragnos, while an unknown, held dominion over the entire sith empire for over a century, which speaks volumes for him considering the sith always challenge for supremacy.

Yep, and who in that era could have beaten Bane in his prime? Your point is moot since Bane could have done the same thing that Marka did, seeing as the next strongest Sith of Ragnos's "region of terror" was Naga Sadow, who is below Bane as well.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
If you meant hundreds of thousands, you're wrong. Lightsnake said the Senate had at its most 4,000 people in it.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if Lightsnake told you that, he's clearly wrong, my friend.

I'd wonder how that number is even plausible, given the mere size of the housing, and the fact that the building was filled to its seemingly highest capacity:


If you look at the sheer monumental size of the structure in comparison to the others, it's obviously the biggest one (in width; the one building is very lean akin to the Space Needle in Seattle). Inside, there are virtually no open seats from the other angles we see, and the number of rows suggests an immense amount of people could be held there. There are far more than four thousand, as I usually say, there's likely hundreds of thousands. Plus, he didn't simply freeze them, he controlled their very motions without any difficulty whatsoever (given he was able to play puppeteer with the current Chancellor, make a speech, and then go on to annihilate his former master in battle).

Also, lol at darthsith trying to act like he's a real debater.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Then comes (in this order) Darth Bane (in his prime), Marka Ragnos and Ekar Kun/Tulak Hord (not sure who's better between those 2).

Marka Ragnos above Exar Kun?

Tulak Hord even on par with Exar Kun?

And, since I know you love to be a quasi intellectual, "this begs for proof".

What have you refuted? It's funny how all the piss poor debaters constantly tell themselves they've refuted something. Guess what you fruit medley, it doesn't matter how the exile beat Nihilus, just that he did. If Nihilus had force lightning or force grip, or hell, anything impressive, he would have defeated the exile.

He had her at his mercy from what I saw.

She's wrapped in some weird thing, wobbling and it looks all too easy for him to just chop her head off.

Who said that?

Visas Marr.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, and what's more sad than that is the fact that time and again, we have these confrontations, and I'm still not hearing anything new from you. Come on now Darth Sexy, surprise me, come up with some new material, make me proud.

I tell you what Noobaris, if you show people you can actually debate and gain some kind of credibility, I'll pay more attention to you, attention whore.

Here's where you're wrong, he does it each time.

Wrong

Strawman fallacy, you're making this is too easy.

As it's been stated time and time again, you fail to comprehend the concept of each and every logical fallacy. If attempting to be a pseudointellectual is your last resort, I chuckle in amusement.

We're arguing whether Nihilus knew more than one unique ability (not whether making a holocron makes Nihilus powerful, silly one), so what we see from the holocron is entirely relevant, as we see that Nihilus knew of at least one other technique that was not known (to our knowledge) by anyone else.

What technique might that be toughpants?

Right, so because all the techniques you mentioned were somewhat special (*gasp* like it couldn't have just been a coincidence!), we automatically have to assume that by 'technique', you mean 'somewhat special technique,' right? Yeah, right, more like it was a total lack of elaboration on your part.

You're right, because I stated force push, force grip, right? OH wait, if I recall correctly, I stated nothing that was ordinary, yet it seems you're the only one who has a problem of grasping this concept.

Right, except for the fact that you've never compared our PPDs, so there would be nothing to parrot, so you're (as usual) talking out of your ass.

Hmm lets see. I say something, and you repeat it back to me in a "I know you are but what am I fashion". That's a parrot, in case the species is foreign to your native country.

I can only assume that you can't grasp the concept of averages, seeing as you're constantly acting as if a higher number of posts would absolutely mean without a doubt that there would be a higher PPD (without realising that time factors in). But whatever, I'm used to you acting dumb, it's nothing new to me, which brings me back to what I was saying earlier about you bringing back the same old crap each time. Oh well. [/B]

My my, you really are retarded. You clearly are having a bad case of denial, and you clearly don't understand "averages", nor what I wrote. Since you were THE first one on this forum between the both of us, I would take your FIRST post from the EARLIEST date that you registered to today, understand? Divide the number of posts by the number of days.. Is it still too difficult for you? I would have imagined that you've taken basic algebra. I now see that my assumption was incorrect.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Then would you mind explaining how in less than a year, Bane became a stronger saber duelist than Kun when Kun had been training for his entire life?

Explain how he became a stronger saber duelist? As far as I'm concerned, Kun would wipe the floor with Bane. And I believe Kun was tooling his jedi master as a padawan and was in an league of his own, whereas Bane wasn't even a good saber duelist, but a good practitioner of the force, and he got close to Kas'im because he knew his every move.

The hell-? Prove that Bane knew Kas'im's moves any better than Kas'im knew Bane's. Even though "Parrying his first sequence Bane realized his former Master had always been holding something in reserve? Bane had never before fought against an all-out Kas'im. So your point is moot. Mine, however, still stands.

Are you kidding me? Kas'im trained Bane from day 1, and Bane according to POD, had tried and succeeded in memorizing every variation of Kas'im's double bladed style. Your point is still moot.

Yep, and who in that era could have beaten Bane in his prime? Your point is moot since Bane could have done the same thing that Marka did, seeing as the next strongest Sith of Ragnos's "region of terror" was Naga Sadow, who is below Bane as well. [/B]

If you recall correctly, Ragnos' death was the end of the golden age, so what you said was irrelevant. Nothing about Bane's abilities was "titanic", nor "frightening", although he was very good. Bane was the most powerful force user in his era, but we see that the new sith were relative weaklings, so that's nothing special. I could give you a lot of characters who could beat Bane in his prime.

I tell you what Noobaris, if you show people you can actually debate and gain some kind of credibility, I'll pay more attention to you, attention whore.

Attention whore? Lol, that sounded... weird.

Wrong
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As it's been stated time and time again, you fail to comprehend the concept of each and every logical fallacy. If attempting to be a pseudointellectual is your last resort, I chuckle in amusement.

Yeah, funny how you did the same thing to Ac when he pointed out that you were working under the mentioned fallacy. Now what you did (which is what a Strawman Fallacy is) is that you provided a distorted version of my argument, and refuted that rather than my actual argument (which you ignored). That's a Strawman fallacy, go back to school.

What technique might that be toughpants?

Is debating me too tiring or something? We're talking about how Nihilus could transfer his consciousness into his armour, PAY ATTENTION!!

You're right, because I stated force push, force grip, right? OH wait, if I recall correctly, I stated nothing that was ordinary, yet it seems you're the only one who has a problem of grasping this concept.

Not really, it seems that I'm the only person who pointed out the lack of elaboration on your part.

Hmm lets see. I say something, and you repeat it back to me in a "I know you are but what am I fashion". That's a parrot, in case the species is foreign to your native country.

Right, because you were totally the person who first brought up the fact that you have a PPD of 16, and I was totally copying you. 🙄

My my, you really are retarded. You clearly are having a bad case of denial, and you clearly don't understand "averages", nor what I wrote. Since you were THE first one on this forum between the both of us, I would take your FIRST post from the EARLIEST date that you registered to today, understand? Divide the number of posts by the number of days.. Is it still too difficult for you? I would have imagined that you've taken basic algebra. I now see that my assumption was incorrect.

Do you even know what algebra is you dumb fvck? Averages have nothing to do with algebra, go back to school retard.

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Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, funny how you did the same thing to Ac when he pointed out that you were working under the mentioned fallacy. Now what you did (which is what a Strawman Fallacy is) is that you provided a distorted version of my argument, and refuted that rather than my actual argument (which you ignored). That's a Strawman fallacy, go back to school.

I know what a strawman fallacy is, that's why I critisize you because you're in your own little fantasy world. So it's not a strawman if you can't differentiate between what you think you said and what you actually said. Back to the drawing board for you Noobaris.

Is debating me too tiring or something? We're talking about how Nihilus could transfer his consciousness into his armour, PAY ATTENTION!!

Tiring no, boring yes. As i've told you before, a paraplegic 6 year old girl would pose more of a challenge than yourself. So forgive me if I start "virtually" yawning when I read your nonsense.

Not really, it seems that I'm the only person who pointed out the lack of elaboration on your part.

Or the only person that didn't understand what I was saying. Denial once again.

Right, because you were totally the person who first brought up the fact that you have a PPD of 16, and I was totally copying you. 🙄

LOL, talk about a strawman.. Good going Noobaris, no wonder yourself the nickname.

Do you even know what algebra is you dumb fvck? Averages have nothing to do with algebra, go back to school retard. [/B]

Averages deals with basic math. Mean, median, mode, etc. Algebra is basic math, or at least that's what they taught in honors HS. I'm betting you haven't gotten that far so I'll let you figure it out for yourself.

I know what a strawman fallacy is, that's why I critisize you because you're in your own little fantasy world. So it's not a strawman if you can't differentiate between what you think you said and what you actually said. Back to the drawing board for you Noobaris.

Right, except anybody here with half a brain can see that you just committed a strawman. How about just asking your idols Advent or Gideon whether you just committed a strawman or not, because I can guarantee that they'll agree with me.

Tiring no, boring yes. As i've told you before, a paraplegic 6 year old girl would pose more of a challenge than yourself. So forgive me if I start "virtually" yawning when I read your nonsense.

Right, now if I'm so boring, why are you even wasting your time debating me? Says a lot about how much free time you have...

Or the only person that didn't understand what I was saying. Denial once again.

Sexy I don't think even you understand what you're saying half the time.

LOL, talk about a strawman..[quote]

Right, because that's totally a strawman. 🙄

[quote]Good going Noobaris, no wonder yourself the nickname.

Yeah, I'm gonna give you another attempt at forming a sentence that actually makes sense. Don't worry big guy, I'm sure you'll be able to pull it off.

Averages deals with basic math. Mean, median, mode, etc. Algebra is basic math, or at least that's what they taught in honors HS. I'm betting you haven't gotten that far so I'll let you figure it out for yourself.

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Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Right, except anybody here with half a brain can see that you just committed a strawman. How about just asking your idols Advent or Gideon whether you just committed a strawman or not, because I can guarantee that they'll agree with me.

Sure you can, you also guaranteed that you've won debates before but nobody's seen it. In fact I have yet to see anybody really agree with you, so your credibility is still at 0. Try again Noobaris.

Right, now if I'm so boring, why are you even wasting your time debating me? Says a lot about how much free time you have...

Yes Noobaris, on a Sunday while I'm watching the NBA playoffs, I can afford to argue with imbeciles.

Sexy I don't think even you understand what you're saying half the time.

This coming from someone who lives in his own little dream world.

Yeah, I'm gonna give you another attempt at forming a sentence that actually makes sense. Don't worry big guy, I'm sure you'll be able to pull it off.

Awww what's the matter Noobaris? Can't understand simple math so you have to make some shit up to feel better? Someone's been taking those antidepressants. Keep try Noobaris, one day you'll win a debate, or actually have the ability to form a cogent argument.

Sure you can, you also guaranteed that you've won debates before but nobody's seen it. In fact I have yet to see anybody really agree with you, so your credibility is still at 0. Try again Noobaris.

I'm loving how you're too scared to ask either one of them.

Yes Noobaris, on a Sunday while I'm watching the NBA playoffs, I can afford to argue with imbeciles.

Right, because you only ever do it on Sundays while watching the NBA playoffs. 🙄

This coming from someone who constantly owns me

Good Darth Sexy, nice to see your wising up.

Awww what's the matter Noobaris? Can't understand simple math so you have to make some shit up to feel better? Someone's been taking those antidepressants. Keep try Noobaris, one day you'll win a debate, or actually have the ability to form a cogent argument.

Awwwwwwww, does someone need help correctly quoting the thing they're replying to?

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
I'm loving how you're too scared to ask either one of them.

Are you still in denial?

Right, because you only ever do it on Sundays while watching the NBA playoffs. 🙄

Ahahah this coming from someone who has more posts than me.. Good one

Good Darth Sexy, nice to see your wising up.

How adorable, the parrot is continuing the self pwnage.

Awwwwwwww, does someone need help correctly quoting the thing they're replying to? [/B]

No no betty, it's clear that you lack reading comprehension skills, algebra skills, and common sense. But please, continue the humor, just make sure you repeat what I said, otherwise it's no fun.

I say Nihilus, but not sure.

Id say exar kun, then followed by revan and then maybe vader

No ancient sith until i see ragnos actually do something,

....Vader?

May I ask why?

Did he move any fleets or drain any planets?

Are you still in denial?

Yeah, this is why nobody takes you seriously, you come up with the same old rubbish each time, and never make sense.

Ahahah this coming from someone who has more posts than me.. Good one

Right, except you can add up all of my posts alone with those of Nebaris' and you'd still beat us, and let's not forget about all the times 'TDTD' posted now. And again, I'd much rather have a higher overall number of posts than a higher PPD, and you have everyone on this forum beat with a figure of 16.

How adorable, the parrot is continuing the self pwnage.

Yeah, that was totally self pwnage. 🙄

No no betty, it's clear that you lack reading comprehension skills, algebra skills, and common sense. But please, continue the humor, just make sure you repeat what I said, otherwise it's no fun.

Lol, it's 'Betty' now? I though you reserved that name for Ac. Wasn't my name 'Francine?' Your lame ass insults are bad enough, so at least don't be mixing them up.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
....Vader?

May I ask why?

Did he move any fleets or drain any planets?

1. Studied under the most powerful sith for 20 years
2. Destroyed military tanks with ease as large as AT-ATs with the force
3. As anakin shook down a buiding with his rage
3. Destroyed a medical room with just his emotions
4. Used crush to take down a 30 building in eaw
5. Levitated himself with the force to cut a piece of debris
6. And his force mastery > nihilus save for force drain and his TK
7. Sent a thug flying 50 feet backwards causing the thugs bones to shatter when he hit the wall
8. Pushed tark into the air so greatly that he slammed the ceiling and caused a massive dent
9. And popped a head instantly

By the way nikkolas, drop the nihilus fanboyism, for all we know he could have used the force to activate the ships engines making his job easier.

And vader is 80% of OT sidious who lifted something 19 times the size of the ravager