Are you serious? The only great thing Nihilus has is his mega Force drain
And that's demeaning...how?
Your basically saying "the only great thing he has is a power greater than any other Sith Lord." ('cept Palps of course)
Besides that, he's nothing special.
I am left to ponder...the utter futility of dealing with people.
I point to.........THE FIRST POST!!! And several copies of said first post that I've reposted.
"He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet... that is a measure of his power."
So...nothing special? I suppose pulling a fleet with your TK is a feat every other high-end Sith Lord has matched, eh?
Originally posted by Nikkolas
And that's demeaning...how?Your basically saying "the only great thing he has is a power greater than any other Sith Lord." ('cept Palps of course)
I am left to ponder...the utter futility of dealing with people.
I point to.........THE FIRST POST!!! And several copies of said first post that I've reposted.
"He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet... that is a measure of his power."
So...nothing special? I suppose pulling a fleet with your TK is a feat every other high-end Sith Lord has matched, eh?
Okay dude, the point is he cannot and will not beat Kun or Revan. He was beaten by the Exile, for God's sake! Explain how does that make him uber powerful.
If it was anything resembling a fair fight, then yes, I'd agree with you.
But there are a number of factors we must take into account.
Common Detractions:
1. He was beat by the Exile.
This is true but the factors surrounding this defeat are more than staggering.
"The Master suffers... If he can not feed, then the hunger begins to consume him The planet Telos... He may feed on something upon its surface to sustain himself a while longer."
"[Kreia] spoke of the Jedi academy here on Telos...and my Master was forced to come here." -Tobin
"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station... he will cleanse it of life. ...and if there are no Jedi below, he will have no other choice."
This is the state he was in when he first confronted the Exile. Starving to death.
Even so, when the Exile and his fellows approached him, he had her at his mercy; stunned, wobbling and more than capable of being beheaded by a lightsaber or anything. Yet Nihilus, starving, chose to try and drain the Force sensitive Exile. This weakened him further and he then took on the Exile and his party. (3 on 1...beaten by the Exile, huh?) Even with the horrible weakness from lack of energy and then that compounded by attempting to drain the Exile, he was “too powerful”. (Visas Marr)
Originally posted by Nikkolas
I know.I impress even myself sometimes.
But, as I showed, Exile beat Nihilus while he was weakened multiple times, after Nihilus had already foregone the chance of killing the Exile and while it was 3 on 1 he was still "too powerful."
It's good to have all the facts to back you up, right DS?
I stopped responding to your crap because you sound like a buffoon always losing the argument and continuing. But yet again, you reinforce my theory about the piss poor debaters lying to themselves. Sorry sweetheart, you lose.
I stopped responding to your crap because you sound like a buffoon always losing the argument and continuing. But yet again, you reinforce my theory about the piss poor debaters lying to themselves. Sorry sweetheart, you lose.
I have the evidence, actually.
I've proven multiple things while you've proven nothing.
1) Nihilus was horribly weak when he fought the Exile thus already rendering any result of the battle inaccurate for assessing his power.
2) Even with this, Nihilus could have killed the Exile but chose to drain her instead.
3) Nihilus was FURTHER weakened by trying to drain the Exile but, even so and with THREE opponents attacking him, he was "too powerful."
I have proven everything I've said. All you do is resort to verbal attacks because you have nothing better.
I'm surprised you havent' been banned.
Okay I just want to put an end to the two big anti-Nihilus points.
1. He was beat by the Exile.
This is true but Obi-Wan beating Anakin is true as well. We must actually look at what we know - the factors involved to understand the context in which this fight took place.
First and foremost, what shape was Nihilus in prior to the fight with the Exile?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EogIiuZI9PQ
1:49
"The Master suffers... If he can not feed, then the hunger begins to consume him The planet Telos... He may feed on something upon its surface to sustain himself a while longer."
2:33
"[Kreia] spoke of the Jedi academy here on Telos...and my Master was forced to come here." -Tobin
2:54
"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station... he will cleanse it of life. ...and if there are no Jedi below, he will have no other choice."
So...this is the shape Nihilus is in. He “suffers” and is “forced” to come to Telos to try and “sustain him[self] a while longer.”(2:01)
So, the Exile, Visas and the Mandalore all proceed to the bridge of The Ravager and confront Nihilus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV8iniopJ3U
The subtitles aren’t in English but it’s the clearest vid I could find of this.
At 00:34, Nihilus stuns the Exile. Exile is totally defenseless. Nihilus already won the fight you could say. He can just chop of the Exile’s head here and now.
But he chooses not to. He chooses, because he “suffers”, to try and drain the Exile. (1:08) He then falls down before getting back up, withdrawing his saber and preparing to fight.
So, let’s go over what we know.
-Nihilus “suffers” because he needs to feed and was “forced” to come to Telos as a desperate attempt to “sustain him[self] a while longer.”
-He had the Exile at his mercy and chose to try and drain her, thus further weakening himself.
Jump to the end of the fight. After the Mandalore, Visas and the Exile have been assaulting him.
What were the results of that initial conflict?
Visas: “He... is too powerful...” (1:56)
So, the only canon account we have of how that first skirmish went was that apparently he was either beating the crap out of all of them or whatever they did had no effect. And this is him doubly weakened.
So, that’s all there is to it.
Yes, the Exile beat him but the circumstances and facts more than make that a wholly pointless blackmark on Nihilus’ power.
Originally posted by NikkolasLearned nothing? Proof? He learned how to channel the raw power of the dark side without going amok and learnt many other techniques as well, BTW the ancient sith even saluted darth vader by building him a throne on korriban
And learned nothing as far as we know. Telll me what evidence of these Sith teachings we have that would matter in terms of power?
Originally posted by NikkolasThen i guess nihilus > revan, nihilus > OT sidious by what you just said because both of them has not done anything on a bigger scale, what a dumbass
Entire planet > AT-AT.
Originally posted by NikkolasYou are correct, but he would have done alot worse had he actually used a technique
He made a ceiling collapse on top of himself.
Originally posted by NikkolasBingo, thanks for backing me upNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Originally posted by NikkolasEaw
Where's this?
Originally posted by NikkolasRight, mind raping a non force user, wow very very impressive, vader has done far better things to jedis like using an entire water fall to drown the dark woman
What about the mindraping and that stun thing? It's said that just by being in Nihilus' presence makes you his slave simply from the power.
Originally posted by NikkolasIrrelevant
Also, Nihilus kept the crew of the Ravager alive.
Originally posted by NikkolasRight, he used the force drain on her as she said "i waS stripped of my power" and he didnt wipe her out, Lets play by your logic, you love to babble about nihilus > sion video when it is not canon, while in your favourite video, sion stated nihilus couldnt kill traya whom is weaker than he is. Nice try
Nihilus wiped out a fellow Sith Lord by lifting her up and slamming her into a wall a foot way.
Originally posted by NikkolasEmpire seriesNow that's cool.
Where is that?
Originally posted by NikkolasAnd wheres the evidence that the generator was on when he was pulling the ship? LIAR LIAR pants on fire
Because those engines really helped the ships when the Mass Shadow Generator was activated, right?
Originally posted by NikkolasNo, alot others actually, what has nihilus learnt other than a pecky force stun any padawan could know and that force stripping technique?
Stop the Vader fanboyism. For all we know the Sith Teachings he recieved only taught him Force Urine.
Originally posted by NikkolasIts from GL moron
I've never seen the source for that number.
earned nothing? Proof? He learned how to channel the raw power of the dark side without going amok
That has more to do with controlling himself and not being an imbecile. If 20 years of any kind of teachings didn't teach him that, then he'd be Jar Jar Binks' intellectual inferior.
and learnt many other techniques as well
Name some?
BTW the ancient sith even saluted darth vader by building him a throne on korriban
Impressive.
Right, mind raping a non force user, wow very very impressive,
I don't think people are understanding my point here. If by being near him and through his sheer power and presence alone, while he's not actually trying to, he mindrapes you..i find it impressive.
vader has done far better things to jedis like using an entire water fall to drown the dark woman
I don't see what that has to do with telepathy or anything but still impressive.
Irrelevant
How so? We're listing feats. It's a feat for Nihilus showing he knows more Force abilities than just a drain which a lot of people (mistakenly) say he doesn't.
Right, he used the force drain on her as she said "i waS stripped of my power"
Well she wasn't stripped of The Force because the lightsaber moved.
She meant she was stripped of her power...ya know...being the leader of the Triumvirate? Their master?
Give it up on this point. It doesn't look like a drain, no one says it was a drain and it doesn't have the result of a drain.
he didnt wipe her ou
What do you call being thrown against a wall and so weakened you can't pull your lightsaber to you?
Lets play by your logic, you love to babble about nihilus > sion video when it is not canon, while in your favourite video, sion stated nihilus couldnt kill traya
I "babble" about it? I've brought it up like...once. And that one time I made it clear it was cut and non-canon...
And what he says is "Darth Traya yet lives. You did not kill her as you assumed." As it was SION who beat the holy hell out of her and she was still moaning and yelpign while he did all this...I see no reason for Nihilus to assume he killed her by throwing her into a wall when she was clearly still alive afterwards.
We also have no idea when that scene is placed and what might have happened before it.
And wheres the evidence that the generator was on when he was pulling the ship? LIAR LIAR pants on fire
Tobin says he pulled the Ravager and the fleet from the "mass shadows of Malachor." What else could he be talking about?
No, alot others actually, what has nihilus learnt other than a pecky force stun any padawan could know and that force stripping technique?
Choke, Drain, massive TK, consciousness transferal. His body is already dead they say by the time you meet him. I believe they said he put his consciousness into his armor on Malachor so this would make sense.
And just because a padawan could know doesn't mean they could do or defend against it... The Exile was a lot stronger than a padawan and she was helpless against it.
Its from GL moron
Again, never seen the source.
Originally posted by NikkolasThen tell me, what did nihilus learn from traya other than force stun and a stupid mind trick where inferior jedis haved? Vader has force levitate, force crush, force grip, force wave, amazing TK and according to RODV, he had access to the jedi holocrons(Chapter 14) and thus might know the fallanasi looping technique, The archives and holocrons have alot of data and thats one thing which made sidious extremely powerful
That has more to do with controlling himself and not being an imbecile. If 20 years of any kind of teachings didn't teach him that, then he'd be Jar Jar Binks' intellectual inferior.
Originally posted by NikkolasSee the above
Name some?
Originally posted by NikkolasIndeed, ancient sith salute the powerful modern era sith who has surpassed them in power
Impressive.
Originally posted by NikkolasYet he couldnt mindrape strong minded people like mandalore and the exile, very impressive, Despite the fact that vader could kill an officer without lifting his hands and by doing it subconciously is even more impressive while talking to another officer
I don't think people are understanding my point here. If by being near him and through his sheer power and presence alone, while he's not actually trying to, he mindrapes you..i find it impressive.
Originally posted by NikkolasWell telepathy hm? Freedon nadd surpasses that and please zomg! nihilus pulled a fleet, zomg! nihilus drained an unsuspecting planet, Nadd attacked vodo halfway across the galaxy
I don't see what that has to do with telepathy or anything but still impressive.
Originally posted by Nikkolasits irrelevant because it never had and never will help in in a fight
How so? We're listing feats. It's a feat for Nihilus showing he knows more Force abilities than just a drain which a lot of people (mistakenly) say he doesn't.
Originally posted by NikkolasHmm lets see, despite her being weakened, nihilus still couldnt kill her as he intended
What do you call being thrown against a wall and so weakened you can't pull your lightsaber to you?
Originally posted by NikkolasRight and now i actually debate with logic unlike you, O and made it clear its not canon? You just used it as a debate earlier, want me to quote other people as evidence? i will
I "babble" about it? I've brought it up like...once. And that one time I made it clear it was cut and non-canon...
Originally posted by NikkolasSions quote alone proves you wrong
And what he says is "Darth Traya yet lives. You did not kill her as you assumed." As it was SION who beat the holy hell out of her and she was still moaning and yelpign while he did all this...I see no reason for Nihilus to assume he killed her by throwing her into a wall when she was clearly still alive afterwards.
Originally posted by NikkolasFallible inuniverse characters, the loading screen says he pulls the ravager from the wells only, no fleets mentioned, i caught you red handed again
Tobin says he pulled the Ravager and the fleet from the "mass shadows of Malachor." What else could he be talking about?
Originally posted by Nikkolas4 powers? Wow pretty nice, make it 5 due to telepathy
Choke, Drain, massive TK, consciousness transferal. His body is already dead they say by the time you meet him. I believe they said he put his consciousness into his armor on Malachor so this would make sense.
Originally posted by NikkolasLol she could have been caught off guard, By what you just said i can assume a padawan knows how to strike with a saber, but doesnt know how to block a strike, You fail again
And just because a padawan could know doesn't mean they could do or defend against it... The Exile was a lot stronger than a padawan and she was helpless against it.
Originally posted by NikkolasThen ask lightsnake, darth sexy, gideon, acstyles and of course you have never read it. You dont do your home work
Again, never seen the source.
Last thing, if you actually bothered to read my post eariler, i said i put Kun and revan above vader thus i didnt assume vader is no2. Your derailing this topic SEVERELY which proves you have no faith in your arguement
Originally posted by Nikkolas*yawn* it came from tobin, in universe fallible source as you claimed. He was never there when he pulled his ship out while the loading screen stated he only pulled the ravager
For the love of....IT'S ON THE VERY FIRST POST!
"He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, [B]along with his fleet
... that is a measure of his power." [/B]
Originally posted by Kadesh
*yawn* it came from tobin, in universe fallible source as you claimed. He was never there when he pulled his ship out while the loading screen stated he only pulled the ravager
Simply calling him a fallible source is great and all, but until you can prove that he'd either have a reason to be lying, or a reason to be misinformed, we just have to accept that what he's saying is the truth.
Then tell me, what did nihilus learn from traya other than force stun and a stupid mind trick where inferior jedis haved?
Consciousness transferal, I guess. We don't know when or how he learned it.
Vader has force levitate, force crush, force grip, force wave, amazing TK and according to RODV, he had access to the jedi holocrons(Chapter 14) and thus might know the fallanasi looping technique, The archives and holocrons have alot of data and thats one thing which made sidious extremely powerful
Okie dokie.
Indeed, ancient sith salute the powerful modern era sith who has surpassed them in power
You talking about the one Ancient Sith who said Palpatine had become the greatest?
If not, I'd like to see the quote you're speaking about... It be useful to shoot down the Ancient Sith > all.
Yet he couldnt mindrape strong minded people like mandalore and the exile,
Did he try?
Well telepathy hm? Freedon nadd surpasses that and please zomg! nihilus pulled a fleet, zomg! nihilus drained an unsuspecting planet, Nadd attacked vodo halfway across the galaxy
Good for him.
If his attack didn't even kill Vodo...then yes, Nihilus is still above it. The range of the technique hardly means anything.
Hmm lets see, despite her being weakened, nihilus still couldnt kill her as he intended
Who said he intended to kill her?
You made it quite clear that scene with Sion is non-canon.
So, give me the canon quote saying Nihilus intended to kill her.
Right and now i actually debate with logic unlike you, O and made it clear its not canon? You just used it as a debate earlier, want me to quote other people as evidence? i will
Yes and I made it clear it wasn't canon....
Sions quote alone proves you wrong
Sion's quote proves nothing. Nihilus has no reason to assume he killed Traya when she was CLEARLY still alive after he threw her into the wall.
Fallible inuniverse characters, the loading screen says he pulls the ravager from the wells only, no fleets mentioned, i caught you red handed again
Um...no you didn't?
Fallible? Yes. Can you prove he's wrong? No. He says he did and there's nothing to contradict it so...he did.
4 powers? Wow pretty nice, make it 5 due to telepathy
Quality over quantity as they say.
Nihilus has one attack that puts him above anyone with dozens of techniques.
Lol she could have been caught off guard, By what you just said i can assume a padawan knows how to strike with a saber, but doesnt know how to block a strike, You fail again
Prove she was off-guard? She's the one who is approaching him...while his back is turned. He turns around, raises a hand and stuns her. So...how is she off-guard again?
Then ask lightsnake, darth sexy, gideon, acstyles and of course you have never read it. You dont do your home work
I spend 70% of my time on this site going through old threads and topics. I enjoy the search engine and I've prettty much exhausted everything I can find in any character I have an interest in or need to know about.
I do plenty of homework.
Then ask lightsnake, darth sexy, gideon, acstyles and of course you have never read it. You dont do your home work
Huh? i have no faith in it? A man without faith in his argument would not give a damn. He would not defend it every step of the way as I have done. Prove it's right every step of the way as I have done.
I'm giving Vader my #5 spot.