Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The utter insanity and hatred towards Supes in this thread is mind-boggling.🙄
I even have a hard time thinking you know about the current DCU as you ONLY made reference about PRE CRISIS feats.
You have an ideia what the infinite crisis was all about, do you not?
Originally posted by Crunch n Munch
These guys have to fight Superman on his terms.
Considering he is the udnerdog, how will they *have* to figth on his terms, exactly?
Granted, either side will have to switch tactics at any point of the match, but does he get the nod in that respect when he is the one to be outgunned?
Originally posted by Crunch n Munch
Supes can fly.
So can four members of this team.
Originally posted by Crunch n Munch
so can Vision and Wonderman but those guys are not threat to him.
And here we notice a litle overrating already. Explain why they arent a treath. I mean, i could even buy that Simon isent really a big treath unless hes is at his best (wich would be suitable here, WM at his best can ko Thor, huh?) but the Vision? The Vision is regulary a big treath to big guns even, because the kind of powerset he brings to the table. Considering that he can ko Herc or classic Juggernaut just by phasing, what would exactly save Superman the moment he gets his hands on him?
Originally posted by Crunch n Munch
If Superman uses his powers to their abilities he will win.
And the others dont get to use theyr own abilities to the fullest? Sersi alone in that kind of mindset can bring down any of this match. Again, how he happens to counteract this when he has to worry about all the others?
So no, he wont win as certainty. Not the majority at the very least.
Heck, Hulk alone has done well enough against him.
Originally posted by Crunch n Munch
But if he chooses to fight at using half or less of his power-set then we have a match.
And if the whole team uses all they have, he wont.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0'
I can't believe the crap TricksterPreist just posted. Superman transcendent of heralds? Wonderwoman soloing this team? Black Adam soloing this team? Just wow.This only turned into a spite thread when your fanboyish attitudes even suggested that Superman would destroy this team in a second. Utterly ridiculous.
All you do is rely on your own idea of Superman's speedblitz and act as if that is what he does. Not a single one of you have even addressed the problems with your ridiculous interpretations. Superman couldn't even speedblitz Mongul in a second. He didn't even speedblitz Equus in a single second and Equus got shots off on Superman. What the hell makes you think he's speedblitzing all these characters in a single second without being touched? This is fanboyism at it's worst.
Some of us actually read Superman and understand what he does. It's so sad that some Superman fans take their homoerotic wet dreams and make Superman sound like a PIS-riddled non-character. Superman doesn't get half the respect that he should and it's idiot fanboys like you all that make him look bad and engender the Superman hate here on KMC.
That does it. I'm taking the kid gloves off.
........*cough*. ahem. YOU ARE A COMPLETE ****ING DUMBSHIT!!! 😠 BLACK ADAM JUST WENT THROUGH HALF OF THE DCU, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS 2ND RATE TEAM HAS A PRAYER OF STOPPING HIM!?! WONDER WOMAN CAN ENTER THE SPEED FORCE ON HER OWN POWER, SHE CAN SPEED-BLITZ THE **** OUT OF THIS TEAM BEFORE THEY CAN BLINK! MONGUL WOULD OWN THIS TEAM IF SERSI CAN'T TAKE HIM OUT QUICKLY. AND MONGUL ALSO HAS SUPERSPEED, YOU STUPID ****! 😠 EQUUS?! EQUUS GOT ONE-SHOTTED BY SUPES, HE WASN'T EVEN A CHALLENGE! AT CERTAIN LEVELS, DC IS OVER MARVEL, IT IS A DAMN FACT!
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
'That does it. I'm taking the kid gloves off.
........*cough*. ahem. YOU ARE A COMPLETE ****ING DUMBSHIT!!! 😠 BLACK ADAM JUST WENT THROUGH HALF OF THE DCU, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS 2ND RATE TEAM HAS A PRAYER OF STOPPING HIM!?! WONDER WOMAN CAN ENTER THE SPEED FORCE ON HER OWN POWER, SHE CAN SPEED-BLITZ THE **** OUT OF THIS TEAM BEFORE THEY CAN BLINK! MONGUL WOULD OWN THIS TEAM IF SERSI CAN'T TAKE HIM OUT QUICKLY. AND MONGUL ALSO HAS SUPERSPEED, YOU STUPID ****! 😠 EQUUS?! EQUUS GOT ONE-SHOTTED BY SUPES, HE WASN'T EVEN A CHALLENGE! AT CERTAIN LEVELS, DC IS OVER MARVEL, IT IS A DAMN FACT!
Easy now, mate.
Don't let the brick mentality get to you.
And just to further humiliate the team; I present Superman's fighting knowledge of pressure points, paralizying with a touch:
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
'That does it. I'm taking the kid gloves off.
........*cough*. ahem. YOU ARE A COMPLETE ****ING DUMBSHIT!!! 😠 BLACK ADAM JUST WENT THROUGH HALF OF THE DCU, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS 2ND RATE TEAM HAS A PRAYER OF STOPPING HIM!?! WONDER WOMAN CAN ENTER THE SPEED FORCE ON HER OWN POWER, SHE CAN SPEED-BLITZ THE **** OUT OF THIS TEAM BEFORE THEY CAN BLINK! MONGUL WOULD OWN THIS TEAM IF SERSI CAN'T TAKE HIM OUT QUICKLY. AND MONGUL ALSO HAS SUPERSPEED, YOU STUPID ****! 😠 EQUUS?! EQUUS GOT ONE-SHOTTED BY SUPES, HE WASN'T EVEN A CHALLENGE! AT CERTAIN LEVELS, DC IS OVER MARVEL, IT IS A DAMN FACT!
And this is why they make fun at you. Your so easy to get pissed. I mean, man what does BA have to do with this? And WW did it under her own power or because she had a Flash type to tag along?
Take a pill and chill.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
And just to further humiliate the team; I present Superman's fighting knowledge of pressure points, paralizying with a touch:
The team has at least one member with that figthing prowess.
But i concead. With those, SM migh last more.
Originally posted by olympian
And this is why they make fun at you. Your so easy to get pissed. I mean, man what does BA have to do with this? And when did WW entered the SF under her own power? She needed the help of Jesse Quick only to tag along.Take a pill and chill.
Black Adam is a peer of Superman. He was using him as an analogy of Supes. It's not that hard to figure out.
Originally posted by olympian
It was clear as daisy. But it doesnt work that way.Does that means the Marvel side can use "peer" feats as analogy in this thread even tho, they werent the ones who actually did them?
That feat belongs to BA, not Superman.
True, but Superman is as strong, fast and durable as Black Adam(and that's being generous to the marvel family) so I wouldn't consider it too big of a stretch to think Superman would be able to accomplish such a feat if he was Out of Character and bloodlusted to the depths of hell.
Besides Supes doesn't need a feat like that to take the victory here.
Not to mention, as I said previously, DC operates at a higher level than marvel in some areas. And Superman is capable of beating guys like the Surfer and Thor. For a majority, I dunno. But the fact that he CAN beat them at all, puts him pretty high up. Not to mention, in terms of combat speed, he is unrivalved on marvel earth. Even the Sentry doesn't have Superman's combat speed.
The only way this team can win, is if Superman lets them or isn't taking the fight seriously. If he's serious, or worse for them, bloodlusted, nobody's getting out of there alive. ❌
Originally posted by TricksterPriestGood to know that you recognize you're acting like a kid in the first place.
That does it. I'm taking the kid gloves off.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestBlack Adam is a "team buster." Same way Superman, Thor and Hulk have been "team busters." But none of them have destroyed a team in a second. Black Adam didn't even beat the Teen Titans in one second. He didn't kill the JSA in one second either. Indeed, those teams individually gave him problems. Now, compare the Teen Titans as a team to Sersi, Hulk, Hercules, Wonderman, Vision, Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk. If you care to think, I'm pretty sure even you'd recognize that this so-called 2nd-rate team outclasses them.
........*cough*. ahem. YOU ARE A COMPLETE ****ING DUMBSHIT!!! 😠 BLACK ADAM JUST WENT THROUGH HALF OF THE DCU, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS 2ND RATE TEAM HAS A PRAYER OF STOPPING HIM!?! WONDER WOMAN CAN ENTER THE SPEED FORCE ON HER OWN POWER, SHE CAN SPEED-BLITZ THE **** OUT OF THIS TEAM BEFORE THEY CAN BLINK! MONGUL WOULD OWN THIS TEAM IF SERSI CAN'T TAKE HIM OUT QUICKLY. AND MONGUL ALSO HAS SUPERSPEED, YOU STUPID ****! 😠 EQUUS?! EQUUS GOT ONE-SHOTTED BY SUPES, HE WASN'T EVEN A CHALLENGE! AT CERTAIN LEVELS, DC IS OVER MARVEL, IT IS A DAMN FACT!
Wonderwoman entered the Speedforce with the help of Hermes, if I'm not mistaken. You're talking about that episode with Jesse Quick? Regardless, she can speedblitz them in a blink? You mean like Superman can? But... you still haven't even looked at Superman scans and seen that Superman has never put down a foe on the level of Wonderman or Hercules in a split second with a speed-blitz? When he did it to Mongul he was conversing with him the whole way, several seconds at the least and that was when Mongul was exhausted. When he did it to Equus, he didn't even end the fight with it and Equus was still getting up.
Any other instances of someone with comparable durability going down in a blink or are you just pulling this out of your a$$? Because that would be a start. If you could show Superman ending a fight with someone on that level of durability in a single second, it would be a start. But it wouldn't be the end, because you'd still need to show that Superman could do it to four foes with that level of durability. Five if Vision increases his density.
Mongul's never been confirmed to have superspeed on the level you're stating. Indeed, you keep stating that superspeed is what allowed Superman to beat him. Not the other way around. Pull yourself together.
Equus did not get one-shotted by Superman. Read the fights again you nimrod. Are you even reading these comics? Something tells me you hear about feats and don't even bother looking at the comics themselves. Kind of like how you assumed that Sentry broke adamantium. Loser.
I'm not arguing DC vs. Marvel you idiot. If that's what you've been doing the whole time, then no wonder you're getting bent out of shape and letting your fanboyism get the better of you. Stick to the undeniable question you've been avoiding, "Has Superman defeated an opponent with Wonderman-tier+ durability in a single second? For that matter, has Superman defeated four-five opponents with Wonderman-tier+ durability at virtually the same time?"
Answer the questions, or STFU you ninny. Only then will you realize how stupid your posts have been the entire time.
Is that what Juntai meant with that scan? That Despero has durability on Wonderman's level? Don't make me laugh. Despero got bit by sharks and bled. He may have had showings of extreme durability in the past, but per forum rules, more recent instances take precedence. His power is dependent on the Flame of Pytar and/or the extreme hate he possesses. It fluctuates. His recent outings show that his durability is probably lower than Namor-levels. Sharks bit him.
Thank you, come again. You can certainly feel free to try again. I'd prefer if we focus on speed, but it's pretty apparent to me that you're all seeing what I'm pointing out when you look at the scans.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Is that what Juntai meant with that scan? That Despero has durability on Wonderman's level? Don't make me laugh. Despero got bit by sharks and bled. He may have had showings of extreme durability in the past, but per forum rules, more recent instances take precedence. His power is dependent on the Flame of Pytar and/or the extreme hate he possesses. It fluctuates. His recent outings show that his durability is probably lower than Namor-levels. Sharks bit him.Thank you, come again. You can certainly feel free to try again. I'd prefer if we focus on speed, but it's pretty apparent to me that you're all seeing what I'm pointing out when you look at the scans.
Just because he doesn't always do it, doesn't mean he can't.
Check out the forum rules on bloodlust;
"That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed."
That is how his speed is to be treated.
His combination of strength and speed here, will blow many of these slow heavy hitters away, despite showings of slowing down for opponents or what-have-you, it is within his characters power under forum rules, to fly up and demolish Hulk in a fraction of a second, for example.
As always the outcome is opinion, I've yet to decide myself, I tend not to like posts with so many characters.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeI believe he said Wonder Man, not Wonder Woman.
...Wonder Woman's durability isn't high-end. Sure she can take blows from Superman and the like, but she does not have the same vulnerability. Superman has frozen Wonder Woman in place before.
Besides Hulk has been pierced by spears before, so yeah.
How will the team counter getting paralyzed at super speed? How will the team stop Superman from showering them with heat vision while being out of their range? Or simply punching/throwing them out of orbit? Enlighten me.
