Originally posted by Bardock42Alright Bardock...you lost.
That's what lots of people actually do when talking about wine.
-“You’re an IDIOT for liking that wine”?
That's what people say?
The thing is...people don't say that...I've NEVER heard anyone say that regarding wine...but people do it with music all the time. But it's just as ridiculous (because it's the same logic there), and still they don't see it...'cause somehow they think or want their opinion to mean something when it comes to music.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
-“You’re an IDIOT for liking that wine”?That's what people say?
The thing is...people don't say that...I've NEVER heard anyone say that regarding wine...but people do it with music all the time...but it's just as ridiculous (because it's the same logic there), and still they don't see it...'cause somehow they think or want their opinion means something when it comes to music.
Alright Bardock...you lost.
Well, wine drinkers are usually rather educated and well-raised people (bullshit), so they might not phrase it like that, but a good old "I can not believe that you can like such a bad wine" seems very possible, does it not.
And thankfully you are not to decide who lost.
Your "logic" is fundamentally flawed. I advise you to hear Logic 101 and then kill yourself.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Now...the only thing left to look at is what I'm talking about regarding objectively good music...because I've just shown how ridiculous it is when you people say what say when you believe what you believe
Must hurt.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESSo you will stop?
I've made my point...it's in your heads now...and I KNOW that whenever ANY of you say "that song sucks", you're gonna be thinking twice about what you mean...because I've made it clear what you're really saying in light of what you believe regarding no bad/good music...(which is nothing apart from "it doesn't appeal to me)
That's great, just know that you convinced no one. Cause you are WRONG.
EP, why don't you stop PMing people, stop talking shit, stop mentioning me, stop slyly registering new names to vote and actually debate with ME.
Stop debating with others ABOUT me, if it's my proposals you are going on about.
You're wrong. If you're going to continue, stop mentioning me or debate with me.
It's actually got to a point where you've convinced yourself that we are saying things you want us to say. You're psychotic. You're trying to tell us you've decided, for us, what we mean.
-AC
...so says the KING of pm-ing
Get serious. I PMd a couple people this time because you HANG AROUND THREADS to mislead people, interrupt converstation, and post like crazy because it seems you're afraid that FOR A SECOND someone might disagree with you.
...and then you go to other threads where I'm at and do the same thing...and bring in THIS discussion or my views (you just did yesterday again in the 'Best of '00' thread).
It's ridiculous!
You are the one telling people what they believe because you've convinced yourself of it, telling people what they say.
I've replied to you here so many times and you won't reply cos you're too busy misinterpreting my proposals to attempt to mislead people, not realising we all know you're wrong.
You're a laughing stock who's bringing this forum down and have done ever since you arrived. You're an idiot who avoids people he's scared of.
-AC
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'll stop when I've heard from VVD, and Ytse......regarding those posts on the last page
You keep rehashing the same stuff, man. I don't think you quite understand what you're saying when you say there is an objective standard for what constitues good music. Who on earth has the authority to author such a thing?
Originally posted by YtseFirst thing's first Ytse
You keep rehashing the same stuff, man. I don't think you quite understand what you're saying when you say there is an objective standard for what constitues good music. Who on earth has the authority to author such a thing?
Did you or did you not read this?...If you did, and you think I'm wrong, then please explain how if you think you know what's going on.
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OK...ONE MORE TRY
First of all, VVD seems to have agreed with me when I said it means NOTHING when people say "music is crap"...
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
...when you say "Creed sucks" it means absolutley nothing...because it's just your opinion...and you could be wrong...so then Creed might not suck.
And he directly answered
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Correct. It means nothing. Let's move on.
Right. It means nothing.
Now...someone who doesn't believe there is objectively good/bad music and says "This song is crap" is as ridiculous as doing the following (keeping in mind you people have AGREED there’s no such thing as “good wine” like there’s no such thing as “good music”)...
-“You like that wine? It’s crap!”
-“I can’t believe ANYBODY would like that wine”
-“You’re an IDIOT for liking that wine”.
Now I KNOW…I KNOW that somehow a lot of you will try to weasel out of this one, and it's because you’ve just seen how ridiculous it is when it comes saying this EXACT SAME IDEA, but with wine…
But you still do it with music…you still sound ridiculous, and make ridiculous statements (and again, they’re ridiculous because of what you’re saying you believe regarding no objectively good/bad music) and don’t even realize it because you want your opinion of music to mean something.
WELL IT DOESN’T…NOT with your stance regarding no objectively good/bad music. You sound ridiculous making such a contradictory statement.
The ONLY thing you could mean is "that song/wine doesn't appeal to me...I really, really hate that wine/song).
But someone like AC says he doesn't JUST mean this.
According to AC, saying "this song is crap" SOMEHOW means SOMETHING (apart from the obvious which is "this song doesn't appeal to me"😉...SOMEHOW AC thinks there is logic in saying..."I don't think there's such a thing as crap music."..."I think 'Angels' is crap music".
How...how...HOW CAN ANYONE who has ANY COMMMON SENSE not see how ridiculous a statement that is?
And don't say..."he's just saying it simply doesn't appeal to him"
NO...HE'S NOT. He's making a statement…SOME KIND of statement (although I don't know how considering he believes there is no such thing as good/crap music) that certain music is crap “within his standards or criteria he has” (which are nothing and mean nothing themselves if there’s in fact no such thing as objective quality in music). He's doing the VERY THING he's saying you can't do...and he doesn't realize it because he WANTS there to be something to what he's saying when he says "this is crap"...and then BE ABLE to make fun of others for not realizing how it's “crap”(again...ridiculous logic according to his belief that there isn't even such a thing as bad or good music).
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
First thing's first YtseDid you or did you not read this?...If you did, and you think I'm wrong, then please explain how if you think you know what's going on.
Why're you trying to get me to arbitrate a debate between you and VVD? I don't even know who/what VVD is.
Whether you're talking about wine or music whenever you say it's good or bad, you're speaking in subjective terms. So, if you disagree with that then yes, I'd say you're wrong.
Originally posted by YtseI just asked you a simple question...have you read what I said in this last post?
Why're you trying to get me to arbitrate a debate between you and VVD? I don't even know who/what VVD is.Whether you're talking about wine or music whenever you say it's good or bad, you're speaking in subjective terms. So, if you disagree with that then yes, I'd say you're wrong.