As requested - The argument about crap music...and a (fair) poll

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
So then if a statement like that doesn't make sense as a form of insult...AS YOU SAID...then it doesn't have much else except possibly saying...

"It seems to me all they could be saying is..."wow...it's VERY interesting how I can hate this wine so much and you could like it"

1) Insults do not have to make sense to be insults.

2) This is a false dichotomy. You're saying if it's not this then it must be this when these aren't the only two options. There could be a myraid of reasons that would motivate someone to say whatever they say.

3) I've already said what I think it mostly likely anyway and you've ignored that.

Just ADMIT IT.

If somebody said “You’re an IDIOT for liking that wine”...you would have to tell them..."Well...that's not really saying much about my intelligence, because what I like is just my opinion, so instead of saying I'm an idiot, you could say you just don't believe how it is that I like a wine that you really don't like"

How would that NOT be the logical thing to say? Because saying someone is actually idiotic for not liking a wine is a ridiculous, is it not?

Hahaha, stop it man.

You're literally asking, begging us to agree with you. It's very sad.

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
If somebody said “You’re an IDIOT for liking that wine”...you would have to tell them..."Well...that's not really saying much about my intelligence, because what I like is just my opinion, so instead of saying I'm an idiot, you could say you just don't believe how it it that I like I wine that you really don't like"

Um, you're just restating your position here and not dealing with any of my criticisms. And saying "just ADMIT IT" with the caps like that...well, it's not very convincing. In fact it's bordering on insulting since I'm being entirely honest here.

Honest...ok...

So then, YOU yourself would make a statement like that?

“You’re an IDIOT for liking that wine”

...and imply that someone is an idiot for liking a wine you might not like?

Good on you then...that makes a whole of sense

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Honest...ok...

So then, YOU would say something like that?

“You’re an IDIOT for liking that wine”

Good on you then...that makes a whole of sense

Wha? You're telling me what I'd say?

But no. If I were having a discussion with someone about wine or music or whatever and we had different opinions I'd explain why I came to my opinion and why I think it makes sense.

So anyway, do you have a point with all of these questions?

Right no. That's what I thought...because before you did say...

"Why would that have any bearing on their intelligence?"

But others make statements like that...AC does ALL the time

...and I'm just trying to show how silly it is that you're saying something about someone's intelligence simply because the don't like what you like...it's ridiculous.

Kinda like how 3 people did it with when (they thought) I actually like Creed, etc...

When I say it, I don't mean it in the way you interpret it.

I don't think you are a generally unintelligent person for liking Angels. A nuclear physicist could like it and I'd call them stupid. It doesn't mean literally, it's a phrase.

-AC

Alright...thanks AC...that's fine

So again Ytse...

Do you or do you not think there’s no such thing as objectively “good wine” (because as you said…God hasn’t come down and indicated as such)…and that likewise, there’s no such thing as “good music”?

I can just answer for you...because you've said your answer already.

So...since your answer is "no", then saying "you're an idiot for liking this wine...it's crap"...couldn't mean either

A) the person's is actually an idiot (you said you think that's ridiculous, and AC said he doesn't mean it that way)

or

B) the wine is actaully crap...(cause there's no such thing according to you).

So then what does a sentence like that mean?

...here's a hint...nothing...apart from expressing that this person really doesn't like that wine

POINT PROVEN

So next time you, AC, say such a sentence...or next time people like the ones who made fun of me for (seemingly) liking Creed, KNOW what it actually means...NOTHING...(except for the obvious..."that song doesn't appeal to me".

Yes, that's exactly what it means you complete idiot.

When he says, or when anyone says "It's crap." or "It's good." regarding a taste, a sound or anything else, it's subjective. They mean it's good or crap TO THEM.

They cannot mean it objectively as it's not objective.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
When he says, or when anyone says "It's crap." or "It's good." regarding a taste, a sound or anything else, it's subjective. They mean it's good or crap TO THEM.

It's not "GOOD" or "CRAP" to them...they just don't like it. There is no "good" or "crap"...there's only "like" when it comes to you and what you think regarding no actual good/crap music.

THAT'S IT!!

IT's not "good" to them...there's no such thing as "good" music.

They can just SAY "good"...but that's all...just to express how it appeals to them.

And IT's not "crap" to them...there's no such thing as "crap" music.

They can just SAY "crap"...but that's all...just to express how it appeals to them.

Exactly.

So if they don't like it, and say it's crap, then to them it's crap.

You saying Lily Allen is "good" doesn't mean it's good, it just means you like it and think it's good personally, not universally.

Hence the whole truth of there being no objective truth.

You CHOOSING to separate personal choice with what music you see as good and crap is your call, it's you being dumb. It doesn't mean anything.

You saying "I CAN ADMIT I LIKE SHIT MUSIC!" doesn't mean you have an ability to see a truth.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly.

So if they don't like it, and say it's crap, then to them it's crap.

WRONG. You're WRONG

To them it's neither crap nor good

They just LIKE IT or DISLIKE IT

"crap" and "good" are just WORDS they use to express that...but THAT'S IT!

Any reasons they might have for saying how it's "crap" or "good" are worth SQUAT...because there's nothing to prove with those reasons.

They can ONLY have reasons as to why the LIKE IT or DISLIKE IT.

Such as...I think it's boring, dull, etc...

Stop being a moron.

If I like a band, I think their music is good. It doesn't mean it's objectively good, nor does it mean it's objectively bad.

There is no objectivity in personal perception of music you retard. Why are you still not accepting this?

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Any reasons they might have for saying how it's "crap" or "good" are worth SQUAT...because there's nothing to prove with those reasons.

They can ONLY have reasons as to why the LIKE IT or DISLIKE IT.

Such as...I think it's boring, dull, etc...

Precisely.

So if I think something is boring or dull, like Arctic Monkeys, I think it's shit music, like Lily Allen.

You think it's exciting and emotional, so you call it good music.

Why do you think you are right and I'm wrong? Because it's you saying it? Doesn't work like that.

It's all opinion.

-AC

Thhhank you AC...you just lost the argument.

This is what I will post over and over again to show how you, once and for all, lost the argument...and took everybody else with you who thinks they make sense when they say "there's no such thing as crap music"...and then say..."that song is crap"

To those people I say…making a statement like "that song is crap” or “that song is good" could only mean, and who think there is NO SUCH THING as objectively good and crap music ...

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
They just LIKE IT or DISLIKE IT

"crap" and "good" are just WORDS they use to express this...but THAT'S IT!

Any reasons they might have for explaining how it is "crap" or how it is "good" in any way are worth SQUAT...because there's nothing to prove with those reasons.

They can ONLY have reasons as to why they LIKE IT or DISLIKE IT.

Such as...I think it's boring, dull, etc...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Precisely.

So again…giving reasons as to why people LIKE or DISLIKE a song they call crap makes sense. (AC just agreed to that)

Giving reasons to say how it’s “good” or “crap“ doesn’t make sense…”good“ and “crap” are just words used to show that they LIKE IT or DISLIKE IT. (AC just agreed to that as well)

So…just so you all know what you’re actually saying when you say “this song sucks” or “this song rules“…you're ONLY saying you DISLIKE IT or LIKE IT.

I didn’t say this…AC did.

Saying I lost doesn't mean I have.

You aren't posting it again and again because you believe you've won, you are posting it again because you believe that if you keep posting you haven't lost.

We've all beaten you, it's not just about me.

You're saying "AC said this." as if you have an audience of agreement. Nobody agrees with you.

You didn't post the rest of my quote.

You think that by holding the truthful stance you continually push as wrong, I'm losing. You're just dumb.

Are we all wrong, EP?

-AC

AC you lost...you said "Precisely" about what I said in my quote...you agreed. You're not saying anything different in your quote...you're agreeing and asking why I'm saying I'm right and you're wrong about the same thing.