The trouble with atheism

Originally posted by Alfheim
Nah man Satanists havent done **** really. You might have the odd nutcase here and there. My point was Communism isnt an example of atheism (still to read up on Communism before I decide for myself) but im just simply trying to find an example of what could be considered to be a correct example of atheism.

I didnt give an example of Satanism in the sense that they have commited atrocities im just trying to find a correct example.

Well, it is atheist if it does not believe in a God figure. But it is not really a religion.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Depends on your definition of violence, with Aikido it is purely self defense.

Yeah. Whats worng with that. My point is they dont reject violence.

Originally posted by ThePittman

Well I would have to admit that I don't know much about Satanism but how could you believe in Satan without God because God created Satan? The whole story and origin of Satan was around God so how could he be without him?

Well thats what im saying. They think its all fiction. It like for example if you got some people who worshipped Pitt as an example of how to behave.

Yeah the characters not real but I guess it could still inspire you to do certain thing. It might sound silly but thats how it is. srug

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, it is atheist if it does not believe in a God figure. But it is not really a religion.

Well they do have the Satanic Bible and I think they have their own rituals.

Alfheim, I don't think you looked closely into the history of martial arts and buddhism.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Alfheim, I don't think you looked closely into the history of martial arts and buddhism.

Why do you say that? 🙁 Well im no expert.

cry sorry, I didn;t mean it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
cry sorry, I didn;t mean it.

Oh ok.... 😕

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
cry sorry, I didn;t mean it.

You behave weirdly. Are you okay?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah. Whats worng with that. My point is they dont reject violence.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Well thats what im saying. They think its all fiction. It like for example if you got some people who worshipped Pitt as an example of how to behave.

Yeah the characters not real but I guess it could still inspire you to do certain thing. It might sound silly but thats how it is. srug

Originally posted by ThePittman
Well that was my question, it depends on what you consider violence, if you are defending yourself from an attacker is that violence?

Well anyway it was in response to somebody who said Buddhits reject violence. I thought that was a stupid statement also Shaky who is a Buddhist thouigh so as well. I think the person was implying Buddhists were pacifists.

Originally posted by ThePittman

Now I think you are over generalizing the belief, I seriously doubt that the core of Satanism all believe that God was made up. I have talked with a few before and they believed in God but not the accounting that was in the Bible, but Satan is of equal power as God.

Well there are different sects those might be Luciferians and there are also "righteous" satanist who belive that Satan will come back.

Im talking about Satanism founded by Anton de Lavey (I think thats how you spell it).

There you go.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa052003a.htm

Religious Satanists

Religious Satanism is comprised of many varying groups and beliefs. Most religious Satanists are committed to a particular group or theology, but beliefs vary widely. The majority of religious Satanists belong to groups such as the Church of Satan, who do not believe in the existence of Satan as a deity. In fact, one of the main tenets of religious Satanism is individual determinism- Satan serves more as a mascot of individual liberty and freedom from false morality than as a deity. Shared by most religious Satanists is the idea that Christianity is flawed, that morality is not absolute, and that man is purely responsible for his own actions.

why are you trying to prove that satanists are atheists?

the brights movement self-identifies with atheism, why are you trying to impose atheism on groups that have a negative social connotation? It would appear that you are trying to associate atheism with other things you dislike.

Originally posted by inimalist
why are you trying to prove that satanists are atheists?

the brights movement self-identifies with atheism, why are you trying to impose atheism on groups that have a negative social connotation? It would appear that you are trying to associate atheism with other things you dislike.

No im not.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Nah man Satanists havent done **** really. You might have the odd nutcase here and there. My point was Communism isnt an example of atheism (still to read up on Communism before I decide for myself) but im just simply trying to find an example of what could be considered to be a correct example of atheism.

I didnt give an example of Satanism in the sense that they have commited atrocities im just trying to find a correct example.

Originally posted by inimalist
why are you trying to prove that satanists are atheists?

OK???? 😒:

Originally posted by inimalist

the brights movement self-identifies with atheism, why are you trying to impose atheism on groups that have a negative social connotation? It would appear that you are trying to associate atheism with other things you dislike.

Dont forget the rest of your post.

I'm far less interested in the last part, that was more a commentary on what I see. You say you aren't trying to insult atheists, so I believe you.

now, why is it so important to you that people recognize "Satanists" as "Atheists" rather than as "Satanists"?

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm far less interested in the last part, that was more a commentary on what I see. You say you aren't trying to insult atheists, so I believe you.

Dont give me that you were implying that I was trying to insult athiests and that was what that last part was about.

Originally posted by inimalist

now, why is it so important to you that people recognize "Satanists" as "Atheists" rather than as "Satanists"?

Originally posted by Alfheim

I didnt give an example of Satanism in the sense that they have commited atrocities im just trying to find a correct example.

I think earlier on I gave an example of Buddhism as atheism, which was incorrect.

ok fine, you are right

now

why are you trying to say that satanists are atheists?

Originally posted by inimalist
ok fine, you are right

now

why are you trying to say that satanists are atheists?

Well its simply because im trying to find what a correct example of athiesm is. It seems I was incorrect about Communism being an example of atheism. If were going to debate about atheism I need to identify it correctly.

Earlier I said that some occultists and pagans could be athiest but after discussing with Pittman this seems to be incorrect because it does not fit the orginal meaning of the word athiest - without God or gods.

Therefore the only example I could think of something could be an example of athiesm was Satanism because they dont belive in God or gods.

ok

but even if we assumed that the "church of satan" is a secular or even atheist organization, what does that prove?

"Satanists" as you have shown above have their own ideals about how the world works. As do communists. These world views are in no way associated with atheism, but instead are their own ideologies.

There are groups that try to represent the wide variety of atheist or rationalist ideas. The Brights are one such group, though there are thousands of secular humanist groups around. Again you must remember, since there is no unifying ideology for atheists, these groups normally only represent small self-interest groups rather than speak for atheists as a whole.

Originally posted by inimalist
ok

but even if we assumed that the "church of satan" is a secular or even atheist organization, what does that prove?

Yeah I know. srug

Originally posted by inimalist

"Satanists" as you have shown above have their own ideals about how the world works.As do communists. These world views are in no way associated with atheism, but instead are their own ideologies.

Well ok this the thing. It seems to me that Satanism is actually an athiestic ideology beacuse im sure in this instance atheism really is a major piller. For example you can be a Christian Communist but if you belive in God your not a Satanist.

The Satanic viewpoint is based around the principle there is no God no afterlife etc.

With Communism is different it merely states that religon is the opium of the masses but this doest make it an atheistic ideology because its not the driving force behind Communism.

Originally posted by inimalist

There are groups that try to represent the wide variety of atheist or rationalist ideas. The Brights are one such group, though there are thousands of secular humanist groups around. Again you must remember, since there is no unifying ideology for atheists, these groups normally only represent small self-interest groups rather than speak for atheists as a whole.

Well yeah im aware of that. Hell I dont even think religon utlimately causes violence I think people use as an excuse but it can be a catalyst to violence.

The only thing I can say is this really. There is no unifying force behind atheism but for me to get a correct example of atheism, atheism has to be the driving force behind the ideology...correct?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well its simply because im trying to find what a correct example of athiesm is. It seems I was incorrect about Communism being an example of atheism. If were going to debate about atheism I need to identify it correctly.

Earlier I said that some occultists and pagans could be athiest but after discussing with Pittman this seems to be incorrect because it does not fit the orginal meaning of the word athiest - without God or gods.

Therefore the only example I could think of something could be an example of athiesm was Satanism because they dont belive in God or gods.