Canada's rich get richer while it's poor get poorer, new study shows.

Originally posted by Starhawk
And what about the people who lose their jobs when these companies downsize? And while they may stay in your country for the benefits , they will ALWAYS outsource. And hard working people are left out in the cold with nothing.

They are left with what the Canadian government can give them, with your alternative they would indeed be left with nothing. As pretty much all big company's would find themselves forced to leave.

What about the disabled population? What are they supposed to do while you are giving the money for their social programs to big business? As I said Canada's economy has been great for the last decade, we eliminated the federal deficit, and yet wages for the low tax brackets have gone down, social programs have been cut again and again.

Let them find a damned job, and if they can't do that then they are going to have to live with the minimal standard of living, yes it sucks for them. But hey the greater good is at stake here anyway, and it's not half as bad as killing millions of people which you are willing to do.

And why do you think the economy is growing, because of things like that. You need to save money and invest it in the economy directly in order to make more money. Eventually it will pay off, it just takes time. Something you aren't willing to wait for, which is ironic as you are still making us wait for any and all kinds of evidence for everything you say.

And the disabled have to live off charity and got ot the food bank and live in missions. None of which they should have to do.

Sucks for them, but at least they are living in a country where the government and the people can afford such things. Something that they wouldn't be able to afford if they would invest all their money in welfare and not into the economy.

The economy is the single most important thing in any country as it dictates what can and can not be done. Destroying the economy will destroy the country.

No, taking care of the people in your country is the most important job of a government. Especially disabled people, most of whom are in the situation they are in through no fault of their own. They deserve a decent standard of living, not the minimal one.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No, taking care of the people in your country is the most important job of a government. Especially disabled people, most of whom are in the situation they are in through no fault of their own. They deserve a decent standard of living, not the minimal one.

Strange response really... What point are you addressing here? And how would the government help people if it's economy sucks? Please answer that...

Besides I just really get the idea that you want the Canadian government to do more for disabled people so you can stop your fake study or the one you are never going to pass so you can just sit at home and do nothing for the rest of your life.

Not to mention that there are a lot of disabled people that can still work, the rest should be taken care off. They should be given what they need to live, they shouldn't be given enough to take 4 vacations a year, two cars a nice house with a big yard and five TV's...

Originally posted by Fishy
Strange response really... What point are you addressing here? And how would the government help people if it's economy sucks? Please answer that...

Besides I just really get the idea that you want the Canadian government to do more for disabled people so you can stop your fake study or the one you are never going to pass so you can just sit at home and do nothing for the rest of your life.

Not to mention that there are a lot of disabled people that can still work, the rest should be taken care off. They should be given what they need to live, they shouldn't be given enough to take 4 vacations a year, two cars a nice house with a big yard and five TV's...

Yes, there is some disabled people who can work, but their is a very large number that cannot, they have extreme pain and fatigue. And the majority of disabled people are they way they are through no fault of their own. They don't deserve to suffer anymore because of that.

No one is saying that they should be given enough to "take 4 vacations a year, two cars a nice house with a big yard and five TV's". They can't even afford to pay rent on an apartment, let alone pay bills and get food.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes, there is some disabled people who can work, but their is a very large number that cannot, they have extreme pain and fatigue. And the majority of disabled people are they way they are through no fault of their own. They don't deserve to suffer anymore because of that.

No one is saying that they should be given enough to "take 4 vacations a year, two cars a nice house with a big yard and five TV's". They can't even afford to pay rent on an apartment, let alone pay bills and get food.

As I said minimal standard of living should be given, that's it. At least until Canada can actually afford investing more in them without destroying their economy.

And once again you fail to address any real point in my post.

Originally posted by Fishy
As I said minimal standard of living should be given, that's it. At least until Canada can actually afford investing more in them without destroying their economy.

And once again you fail to address any real point in my post.

No I just don't give you answers you like.

And they deserve more then minimal, they deserve to have a place to live, be able to pay bills (Phone, Hydro, Cable) and buy food and have some money left over for other things that might come up.

All you care about is big business, all I care about is people, thats why we are so polarized.

Cable? Spare me, Gandhi.

Yes cable, these people live with pain and suffering everyday, if you had to live with it you'd crawl up in a corner and cry your eyes out.

They deserve to live decently, not extravagantly, but decently.

And DSL and a PS3 and games and dirt-bikes and rocket-boots. All necessities, obviously, to sparing them their pain and suffering.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No I just don't give you answers you like.

And they deserve more then minimal, they deserve to have a place to live, be able to pay bills (Phone, Hydro, Cable) and buy food and have some money left over for other things that might come up.

All you care about is big business, all I care about is people, thats why we are so polarized.

To do this though, Canada needs the money that big businesses inject into the economy. Without them that's never going to happen.

Again your talking about tax money, and they are making huge profits and we still don't get enough tax revenue. Hence the need to increase taxes and cut loopholes.

Which will make them leave Canada all together. Leaving your economy in a state of disaster. The only companies that wouldn't leave would be those that can't afford to, and they would be doing next to nothing for the economy anyway.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Which will make them leave Canada all together. Leaving your economy in a state of disaster. The only companies that wouldn't leave would be those that can't afford to, and they would be doing next to nothing for the economy anyway.

Well if we aren't getting enough tax revenue from them anyways what does it matter? Companies like Ford and GM make huge profits and still downsize and outsource.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well if we aren't getting enough tax revenue from them anyways what does it matter? Companies like Ford and GM make huge profits and still downsize and outsource.

If you tax them more, they will move, they've got the money to. Also, if they're downsizing and outsourcing already, it'll just make it easier for them to make a permanent move to a country, which won't tax them nearly as much. They'll also get cheaper labour there, if you taxed them more Canada would have nothing to offer.
You can complain to them as much as you want about disabled people, they won't care.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
If you tax them more, they will move, they've got the money to. Also, if they're downsizing and outsourcing already, it'll just make it easier for them to make a permanent move to a country, which won't tax them nearly as much. They'll also get cheaper labour there, if you taxed them more Canada would have nothing to offer.
You can complain to them as much as you want about disabled people, they won't care.

Its not only about disabled people. And if they aren't part of the solution already then what does it matter?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Its not only about disabled people. And if they aren't part of the solution already then what does it matter?

They already are, they inject millions and millions into the economy. How can you possibly think they don't?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
They already are, they inject millions and millions into the economy. How can you possibly think they don't?

Originally posted by Starhawk
No I just don't give you answers you like.

And they deserve more then minimal, they deserve to have a place to live, be able to pay bills (Phone, Hydro, Cable) and buy food and have some money left over for other things that might come up.

All you care about is big business, all I care about is people, thats why we are so polarized.

Cable is bullshit, public television provided to all Canadians yes, that's it. Money for some necessity's sure. A phone? Yes I can agree with that, a house of course and they should be able to pay the bills and buy food, but that is it. They don't need freaking cable television. They don't need to be able to go on vacation, they don't need to own car or whatever.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well if we aren't getting enough tax revenue from them anyways what does it matter? Companies like Ford and GM make huge profits and still downsize and outsource.

This I just had to quote

http://uspolitics.about.com/b/a/154502.htm

General motors has more debt then the entire freaking country I live in...

That's a country with 17 million people, which less debt then one company. GM isn't going well at all.

Not to mention that GM is an American company, and won't be affected by Canadian laws against outsourcing. They can leave even easier then most Canadian company's if they have to pay more taxes.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I never said they didn't. But it's not enough.

And taking more money from them will make them leave. So you would remove the one's that aren't doing enough anyway completely. Meaning even less income.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I never said they didn't. But it's not enough.

Without their contribution, Canada's economy would be in a state of devastation. That's why the government haven't done it.

Originally posted by Fishy
Cable is bullshit, public television provided to all Canadians yes, that's it. Money for some necessity's sure. A phone? Yes I can agree with that, a house of course and they should be able to pay the bills and buy food, but that is it. They don't need freaking cable television. They don't need to be able to go on vacation, they don't need to own car or whatever.

Many op them can't drive a car, but they do need money for other forms of transportation. And yes many of them can't get out and around, they deserve to have some level of entertainment in their lives.

As it stands now, they can't even afford to pay rent and bills, let alone the rest.

And the tax revenue we are getting from the companies now isn't enough to fix the problem.