Canada's rich get richer while it's poor get poorer, new study shows.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Many op them can't drive a car, but they do need money for other forms of transportation. And yes many of them can't get out and around, they deserve to have some level of entertainment in their lives.

As it stands now, they can't even afford to pay rent and bills, let alone the rest.

And the tax revenue we are getting from the companies now isn't enough to fix the problem.

As I said housing yes, entertainment no. Useless waste of money. If they want entertainment then they should do something to earn it. I am sorry but the government just doesn't have the money to give them what they want, only to give them what they need.

And you are right taxes aren't enough, the way to fix that is by boosting the economy thus increasing the money you get and the amount of social projects you can start with disabled people for instance. Or just the amount of unnecessary luxuries you can give them.

By fining company's and increasing taxes you will weaken your economy in the long run.

Originally posted by Fishy
As I said housing yes, entertainment no. Useless waste of money. If they want entertainment then they should do something to earn it. I am sorry but the government just doesn't have the money to give them what they want, only to give them what they need.

And you are right taxes aren't enough, the way to fix that is by boosting the economy thus increasing the money you get and the amount of social projects you can start with disabled people for instance. Or just the amount of unnecessary luxuries you can give them.

By fining company's and increasing taxes you will weaken your economy in the long run.

Boosting the economy hasn't worked, and they cannot do anything to earn it, thats the point. They are for the most part unable to work. So they shouldn't have to live with just the basic means of living because of something that is not their fault.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Boosting the economy hasn't worked, and they cannot do anything to earn it, thats the point. They are for the most part unable to work. So they shouldn't have to live with just the basic means of living because of something that is not their fault.

That is absolute bullshit, I have mentally and physical disabled center just 20 meters from my house. The people there do a lot to make more money. They get money from the government to take care of the people, the people in the housing do other stuff themselves to provide extra stuff.

Sure not all of them can do something, that's why you can create social projects that house a lot of them. Of course social projects can be funded by big businesses who should then be allowed some kind of tax loophole to write of expenses, good for the company and good for the community. It works here, it has worked in other places. Unlike your extreme forms of socialism which as already shown only end up stagnating the economy and thus hurting people.

Originally posted by Fishy
[BI have a mentally and physical disabled center just 20 meters from my house. The people there do a lot to make more money. They get money from the government to take care of the people, the people in the housing do other stuff themselves to provide extra stuff.

Sure not all of them can do something, that's why you can create social projects that house a lot of them. Of course social projects can be funded by big businesses who should then be allowed some kind of tax loophole to write of expenses, good for the company and good for the community. It works here, it has worked in other places.[/B]

Well not all disabled people can, and they need to be taken care of.

We have subsidised housing as well, but not much of it and it's often of a very poor quality, much like a slum.

We need tax money to do those social programs, and we aren't getting enough of it from big business and the higher income tax brackets. And big business over here doesn't seem interested in investing in social programs of the community regardless of loopholes that allow them to write donations off. Again your plan hasn't worked.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well not all disabled people can, and they need to be taken care of.

We have subsidised housing as well, but not much of it and it's often of a very poor quality, much like a slum.

We need tax money to do those social programs, and we aren't getting enough of it from big business and the higher income tax brackets. And big business over here doesn't seem interested in investing in social programs of the community regardless of loopholes that allow them to write donations off. Again your plan hasn't worked.

Sources for any of that? It works everywhere else so I doubt you are telling the truth.

After all you have lied about a dozen other things and have constantly failed to bring up any kind of source, the one you did bring up was destroyed by the very text in the source it self... So I have absolutely no reason to believe anything you say.

It sounds like bullshit to me, but even if it doesn't work even if there are loopholes and benefits then you still have no alternative, because socialism in the extremes that you are suggesting it has been proven not to work. (I actually posted sources for this, I still wait for sources from you)

Originally posted by Fishy
But even if it doesn't work even if there are loopholes and benefits then you still have no alternative, because socialism in the extremes that you are suggesting it has been proven not to work.

A disabled person in Canada is alloted 430$ a month for rent and bills, the cheapest rent I have been able to find in my province is $560 a month plus bills.

And my source for the figures on Canadian income is the Sat May 12th 12th edition of the London Free Press, section A8.

Originally posted by Starhawk
A disabled person in Canada is alloted 430$ a month for rent and bills, the cheapest rent I have been able to find in my province is $560 a month plus bills.

And my source for the figures on Canadian income is the Sat May 12th 12th edition of the London Free Press, section A8.

Why don't you just scan it with the magical scanners in your library, like the report you are still supposed to provide about Canada's hate crime.

I'm not going to trust anything you say without sources, as we all know you are a liar.

Well people in Canada can checkout the issue.

And watch the insults or be reported for bashing, I haven't gotten to the other things because I've gotten into this debate and the environmental one.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well people in Canada can checkout the issue.

And watch the insults or be reported for bashing, I haven't gotten to the other things because I've gotten into this debate and the environmental one.

No you haven't gotten it because you are a liar and make things up. There was absolutely nothing insulting about my post, it was all true. And I am not going to trust your word for anything you say, so prove up.

Well I don't care if you do or not, ask someone in Canada you trust to look up that issue of the paper. Other then that I really don't care if you do or not. The paper says the figures came from Statistic Canada, so look them up.

And it still doesn't change the fact that disabled people don't get anywhere near enough to live on when they should.

You care about big business, I care about people.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well I don't care if you do or not, ask someone in Canada you trust to look up that issue of the paper. Other then that I really don't care if you do or not. The paper says the figures came from Statistic Canada, so look them up.

And it still doesn't change the fact that disabled people don't get anywhere near enough to live on when they should.

You care about big business, I care about people.

Blah blah blah bullshit blah blah blah...

It's not my job to provide evidence for your argument, what kind of a lawyer are you anyway?

Are you just going to troll now?

Stay on topic.

Its the same in most of the world, they want to enslave the workers. Squeezing the juice out of them so the shareholders and banks who produce NOTHING fill thier boots.

Thats why the black market is becomming more popular.

Originally posted by Starhawk
So they shouldn't have to live with just the basic means of living because of something that is not their fault.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes. They should. It's not the role of any government to provide disposable income for people simply because they're disabled. The minimum means of living. Cable TV doesn't fall under that.

Actually it is the role of the government at least in Canada to do exactly that. These people are not in a situation they choose to be in, it's not their fault.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Its the same in most of the world, they want to enslave the workers. Squeezing the juice out of them so the shareholders and banks who produce NOTHING fill thier boots.

Thats why the black market is becomming more popular.

Thank you for that concise analysis. That should sum up most of the damn topic.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Actually it is the role of the government at least in Canada to do exactly that. These people are not in a situation they choose to be in, it's not their fault.

And it isn't the governments fault either. If these people can survive on what the government brings them that's good, the rest they should take care of themselves. If they can't do it through working then they should get some loving friends and family.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Are you just going to troll now?

Stay on topic.

only if you start claiming more bullshit without evidence.

Originally posted by Fishy
And it isn't the governments fault either. If these people can survive on what the government brings them that's good, the rest they should take care of themselves. If they can't do it through working then they should get some loving friends and family.

Not everyone has that, and it doesn't have to be anyones fault, but it is the governments responsibility in Canada to look after the needs of it's citizens.

Despite the lovely right wing idea that anyone can raise themselves up financially, it's just not reality. Sometimes people need the help of the government.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Not everyone has that, and it doesn't have to be anyones fault, but it is the governments responsibility in Canada to look after the needs of it's citizens.

Despite the lovely right wing idea that anyone can raise themselves up financially, it's just not reality. Sometimes people need the help of the government.

And when did I say that they didn't deserve help? I said that they don't deserve unnecessary luxuries that cost the tax payer millions if not far more dollars a year.

If they get money for a house, food and other basic things, like an ordinary phone bill, transport to the hospital and supermarkets and shit like that then that should be enough. They have to take care of themselves, they are people after all.

If they can't take care of themselves then they should enter social housing programs that take care of these people in mass numbers. More then good enough.

Originally posted by Fishy
And when did I say that they didn't deserve help? I said that they don't deserve unnecessary luxuries that cost the tax payer millions if not far more dollars a year.

If they get money for a house, food and other basic things, like an ordinary phone bill, transport to the hospital and supermarkets and shit like that then that should be enough. They have to take care of themselves, they are people after all.

If they can't take care of themselves then they should enter social housing programs that take care of these people in mass numbers. More then good enough.

No they shouldn't, they should be allowed to live with dignity and some level of happiness. People live in a society and thus have a responsibility to care for those that cannot do it themselves.