AOTC Mace vs AOTC Dooku

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well then why didn't Palpatine stop the force push from Yoda after conflict had already started ? You need to prove it.

I already posted from the rules the default rules. If I do so again I want you to drop the matter entirely as you're arguing against the basic rules.

Based on what ? He's slower than Maul, Anakin, Vos, Yoda, Windu, and Sidious.

Did you not see what Sidious was doing. He had just shocked Yoda and was laughing his head off, and was extremely overconfident. So option one he was overconfident and didn't have it up. Option two and maybe the more likely of the two, force shields can be broken by someone of greater equal or near equal power. Yoda and Sidious are pretty much equals with maybe a slight edge to Sidious in the force depends on who you ask.

And no where in there did it say if never stated we will be using canon.

His force powers are powerful so augmentation, his representation in the novels and the movies and TCW, common sense and more. The list I will show is a break down of the characters you mentioned.

Yoda and Sidious are the fastest, and much more powerful and skilled than Dooku, so yea he is slower, however as seen in AOTC he can contend with that speed even if for a brief moment.

Windu- He and Windu are around same speed. No one is faster than the other between these two. Dooku could contend with Yoda without a boost while Mace needed a boost to meet Sidious head to head. So with that Dooku is arguably faster but I highly doubt it.

Vos- no disagreement. However that is dark side Vos?

Anakin-How? Their last duel Dooku could handle his strength and speed, Anakin win through a finess move.

Maul- Nooo. Maul is on level of Kenobi who Dooku is above in speed, dueling and force powers.

If you want to talk about old Legends continuity, no problem- just make this very clear, either in the thread topic or the opening post. It makes a lot more sense to confine such things to the Literature forum though, as the canonicity of the EU to the films was always debatable.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Did you not see what Sidious was doing. He had just shocked Yoda and was laughing his head off, and was extremely overconfident. So option one he was overconfident and didn't have it up. Option two and maybe the more likely of the two, force shields can be broken by someone of greater equal or near equal power. Yoda and Sidious are pretty much equals with maybe a slight edge to Sidious in the force depends on who you ask.

And no where in there did it say if never stated we will be using canon.

His force powers are powerful so augmentation, his representation in the novels and the movies and TCW, common sense and more. The list I will show is a break down of the characters you mentioned.

Yoda and Sidious are the fastest, and much more powerful and skilled than Dooku, so yea he is slower, however as seen in AOTC he can contend with that speed even if for a brief moment.

Windu- He and Windu are around same speed. No one is faster than the other between these two. Dooku could contend with Yoda without a boost while Mace needed a boost to meet Sidious head to head. So with that Dooku is arguably faster but I highly doubt it.

Vos- no disagreement. However that is dark side Vos?

Anakin-How? Their last duel Dooku could handle his strength and speed, Anakin win through a finess move.

Maul- Nooo. Maul is on level of Kenobi who Dooku is above in speed, dueling and force powers.

Canon only unless stated in the opening post or thread topic.

He isn't as fast as them or the others I mentioned who aren't the most powerful.

Anakin was too fast hence why he cut off both of his hands.

Maul is faster than Dooku and has always been. Kenobi also beat the guy who killed Dooku. Abc failure.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you want to talk about old Legends continuity, no problem- just make this very clear, either in the [B]thread topic or the opening post. It makes a lot more sense to confine such things to the Literature forum though, as the canonicity of the EU to the films was always debatable. [/B]

Again no, where does this say if never stated it's canon. Here if people want it to be canon they say it's canon, then this being an expanded universe thread we sue expanded universe, so it's understood thing this is expanded universe material. And also read a little further down form where you got that from.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again no, where does this say if never stated it's canon. Here if people want it to be canon they say it's canon, then this being an expanded universe thread we sue expanded universe, so it's understood thing this is expanded universe material. And also read a little further down form where you got that from.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just don't understand the rules. I've already proven the default is canon only. If a poster wants to discuss the legends if they don't make it clear then it goes back to canon works only. Default rules is canon only.

You don't understand this forum. Posters here, it's an understood fact that legends is used as the base material. If they want it to be canon notice they say it's canon. That's how we operate here. Now to address this even if it's just canon, Dooku still has the better feats up to this point since its AOTC.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said once battle starts they are up. They weren't. I just decimated your conjecture.

Canon only unless stated in the opening post or thread topic.

He isn't as fast as them or the others I mentioned who aren't the most powerful.

Anakin was too fast hence why he cut off both of his hands.

Maul is faster than Dooku and has always been. Kenobi also beat the guy who killed Dooku. Abc failure.

What? During battle they're defintily up? I wouldn't say battle has officially started. The starting point would be when both and sabers up. Also is every situation the same as the other? No so keep on trying.

Understood that it's legends, notice in these threads they will say specifically say canon. You've noticed that right?

Based on?

No it was finess and strength to hold his arms steady. Speed wasn't the factor there.

Based on? If he was faster than why didn't he take Obi wan down with speed, since Dooku is above Obi wan? You just used ABC logic. Obi wan>Anakin>Dooku? No. Anakin>Dooku>Obi wan is how it goes.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You don't understand this forum. Posters here, it's an understood fact that legends is used as the base material. If they want it to be canon notice they say it's canon. That's how we operate here. Now to address this even if it's just canon, Dooku still has the better feats up to this point since its AOTC.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
What? During battle they're defintily up? I wouldn't say battle has officially started. The starting point would be when both and sabers up. Also is every situation the same as the other? No so keep on trying.

Understood that it's legends, notice in these threads they will say specifically say canon. You've noticed that right?

Based on?

No it was finess and strength to hold his arms steady. Speed wasn't the factor there.

Based on? If he was faster than why didn't he take Obi wan down with speed, since Dooku is above Obi wan? You just used ABC logic. Obi wan>Anakin>Dooku? No. Anakin>Dooku>Obi wan is how it goes.

No, they say legends and other feats often and the rules say so.

Prove it.

Skill also matters not just speed alone.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He attacked and ko'd him. Yoda then attacked. The battle had started.

No, they say legends and other feats often and the rules say so.

Prove it.

Skill also matters not just speed alone.

Sidious was overconfident, and wouldn't have had his sheild up however it doesn't detract that Yoda did push him.

No they say canon. For instance Vos. His DD form has become famous since the release of the novel so people would float more to that one due to it also being more powerful than his legends form. However in another battle with Vader if they want canon Vader they put canon Vader, if they didn't they mean it to be Legends.

When you see after Dooku uses Don Moch. Then they get into the lightsaber duel again. Dooku was solidly able to handle that. Then they get into a blade lock and Anakin grabs his arms and slices them off. He then batter through his defenses, he didn't out maneuver him, he grabbed his arms and sliced them off.

Not necessarily. Someone who is as fast as light could easily beat someone who is more skilled due to them being much much faster.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sidious was overconfident, and wouldn't have had his sheild up however it doesn't detract that Yoda did push him.

No they say canon. For instance Vos. His DD form has become famous since the release of the novel so people would float more to that one due to it also being more powerful than his legends form. However in another battle with Vader if they want canon Vader they put canon Vader, if they didn't they mean it to be Legends.

When you see after Dooku uses Don Moch. Then they get into the lightsaber duel again. Dooku was solidly able to handle that. Then they get into a blade lock and Anakin grabs his arms and slices them off. He then batter through his defenses, he didn't out maneuver him, he grabbed his arms and sliced them off.

Not necessarily. Someone who is as fast as light could easily beat someone who is more skilled due to them being much much faster.

Default rules say otherwise.

Prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just said in combat they have it up to ignore your own criteria.

Default rules say otherwise.

Prove it.

They do in combat. Sidious shocked Yoda an he was out so really not in combat for Sidious then he was overconfident.

These threads say otherwise. I'm gonna tell you a life lesson. Rules are set, but when people trail on there own that's how it is until something happens.

2:33-2:36

https://youtu.be/eYT3ctPuVRw

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
They do in combat. Sidious shocked Yoda an he was out so really not in combat for Sidious then he was overconfident.

These threads say otherwise. I'm gonna tell you a life lesson. Rules are set, but when people trail on there own that's how it is until something happens.

2:33-2:36

https://youtu.be/eYT3ctPuVRw

So you admit the rules are against you.

What is that supposed to prove ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When you attack you're in a combat situation.

So you admit the rules are against you.

What is that supposed to prove ?

I hit you then walk away, yeah we're in a combative alright. However he was also overconfident.

No I don't, I'm telling the reality.

My point.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I hit you then walk away, yeah we're in a combative alright. However he was also overconfident.

No I don't, I'm telling the reality.

My point.

So you ignore the rules.

What point was that ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit he was in a combat situation thus decimating your own point.

So you ignore the rules.

What point was that ?

Can you not catch sarcasm?

No I just go with the flow?

That Anakin isn't faster than Dooku as he was able to keep up and he can handle his strength.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Can you not catch sarcasm?

No I just go with the flow?

That Anakin isn't faster than Dooku as he was able to keep up and he can handle his strength.

Are you posing a question or making a statement.

Due to Dooku's skill but in the end Anakin is too much. He's quicker.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You already ignored your own creiteria.

Are you posing a question or making a statement.

Due to Dooku's skill but in the end Anakin is too much. He's quicker.

Actually I haven't you're just desperate. At that point Sidious was overconfident and wouldn't have his defenses up. Also Yoda is just as strong as Sidious so he could break through it most likely.

I don't know which one do you think? 😂

Prove he was faster? The video shows Dooku could take and match his speed and strength. It was that finess move.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Actually I haven't you're just desperate. At that point Sidious was overconfident and wouldn't have his defenses up. Also Yoda is just as strong as Sidious so he could break through it most likely.

I don't know which one do you think? 😂

Prove he was faster? The video shows Dooku could take and match his speed and strength. It was that finess move.

Due to Dooku's skill and his method of saber fighting isn't known for his speed but instead his precise movements.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have no proof either way and just speculate but the point is you ignored your own criteria.

Due to Dooku's skill and his method of saber fighting isn't known for his speed but instead his precise movements.

The Dooku example seemed pretty good to me when you contrast it to other situations. Why oils I ignore my own criteria? It's not even mine. Force weilders do have their shields up in combative situations. Sidious whether you consider him in a combative situation at that point or not was overconfident and didn't have his sheild up and Yoda is just as powerful so yes it's possibl he could break through his sheild if it was up.

It's known for fast precise movements. You do understand that you can't take a form at its base and say that's how all people use it or anything. For instance Anakin is fast yet his style is known for its lack of mobility, Juyo leaves the practioner wide open but Windu made Vaapad to compensate to some exten, Dooku's style is also known for lackin bakst deflection but we Dooku deflect them with the same grace. Also the only styles I win to b fast by their base are Ataru and Djm so. Maybe shi cho. People compensate for their weakess. However Dooku has never experienced being slow. He's been very fast. I could show instances where he moves fast, faster than some you listed on that list.