AOTC Mace vs AOTC Dooku

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The Dooku example seemed pretty good to me when you contrast it to other situations. Why oils I ignore my own criteria? It's not even mine. Force weilders do have their shields up in combative situations. Sidious whether you consider him in a combative situation at that point or not was overconfident and didn't have his sheild up and Yoda is just as powerful so yes it's possibl he could break through his sheild if it was up.

It's known for fast precise movements. You do understand that you can't take a form at its base and say that's how all people use it or anything. For instance Anakin is fast yet his style is known for its lack of mobility, Juyo leaves the practioner wide open but Windu made Vaapad to compensate to some exten, Dooku's style is also known for lackin bakst deflection but we Dooku deflect them with the same grace. Also the only styles I win to b fast by their base are Ataru and Djm so. Maybe shi cho. People compensate for their weakess. However Dooku has never experienced being slow. He's been very fast. I could show instances where he moves fast, faster than some you listed on that list.

No, it's precise but Dooku hasn't been known for his blazing speed. He's slower than the characters I named.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So Sidious had his up. Glad we agree.

No, it's precise but Dooku hasn't been known for his blazing speed. He's slower than the characters I named.

I said IF.

No he's fast. He is precise and fast as seen by his battles in TCW and ROTS. He showed faster feats than maul, and is on par with Anakin and Windu until Anakin went Zonanakin. Sidious and Yoda are faster.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I said IF.

No he's fast. He is precise and fast as seen by his battles in TCW and ROTS. He showed faster feats than maul, and is on par with Anakin and Windu until Anakin went Zonanakin. Sidious and Yoda are faster.

He isn't slow like a zo,bid but he's slower than the characters I already mentioned and Vos humiliated him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you say now you're not sure.

He isn't slow like a zo,bid but he's slower than the characters I already mentioned and Vos humiliated him.

No I gave the possible scenarios and you could have chosen whichever one you wanted. My view is that he didn't have a sheild up and was overconfident, however I looked at your stance and evaluated it and gave the only way I saw it being possible.

The only characters who are faster than Dooku in that list you named are Sidious Yoda and Vos(in dark side form) Everyone else is either false or circumstantial.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No I gave the possible scenarios and you could have chosen whichever one you wanted. My view is that he didn't have a sheild up and was overconfident, however I looked at your stance and evaluated it and gave the only way I saw it being possible.

The only characters who are faster than Dooku in that list you named are Sidious Yoda and Vos(in dark side form) Everyone else is either false or circumstantial.

That is your opinion not mine. One thing is for certain he isn't known for his speed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit you can't prove it.

That is your opinion not mine. One thing is for certain he isn't known for his speed.

Where in that did you get I couldn't prove it? I gave you my solid view. I told you I understood your point and evaluated it how I saw your point of view. I gave you to examples to compare and contrast with force shields. I'm not seeing what so hard here.

The only Duelsit who are known for their speed are Sidious and Yoda. Other than that no one else is known for their speed, but that doesn't mean others aren't fast.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Where in that did you get I couldn't prove it? I gave you my solid view. I told you I understood your point and evaluated it how I saw your point of view. I gave you to examples to compare and contrast with force shields. I'm not seeing what so hard here.

The only Duelsit who are known for their speed are Sidious and Yoda. Other than that no one else is known for their speed, but that doesn't mean others aren't fast.

False. I guess Vos isn't known for his speed but is faster than Dooku anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is it's speculation and can't be proven in these instances.

False. I guess Vos isn't known for his speed but is faster than Dooku anyways.

No that's not a point. That just you denying facts.

Vos is known for his unpredictablely and his random nature. That's what makes him unique.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No that's not a point. That just you denying facts.

Vos is known for his unpredictablely and his random nature. That's what makes him unique.

The wording made it clear he was too fast for Windu.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation isn't a fact.

The wording made it clear he was too fast for Windu.

It's not speculation if it's backed by canon sources.

Who? Vos and Windu never fought. They sparred and Windu crushed him IIRC. That has nothing to do with the post I previously put.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's not speculation if it's backed by canon sources.

Who? Vos and Windu never fought. They sparred and Windu crushed him IIRC. That has nothing to do with the post I previously put.

Both are faster than Dooku. That's the point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't backed you're just speculating.

Both are faster than Dooku. That's the point.

Yea it is. I showed you the TCW examples.

Vos yes. Windu not so much. More on the same level.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
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Yea it is. I showed you the TCW examples.

Vos yes. Windu not so much. More on the same level.

Why not Windu since he was able to best Sidious who you agreed was faster. Your logic doesn't add up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They didn't prove what you thought they did.

Why not Windu since he was able to best Sidious who you agreed was faster. Your logic doesn't add up.

Yea it did.

Your using Abc logic which you proclaim doesn't work. Windu beat Sidious whose faster than Dooku so Widnu beats Dooku? Windu won't have the boost he did in his battle with Sidious so that feat while admirable doesn't hold water. Dooku was able to contend with Yoda on his own natural skill.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yea it did.

Your using Abc logic which you proclaim doesn't work. Windu beat Sidious whose faster than Dooku so Widnu beats Dooku? Windu won't have the boost he did in his battle with Sidious so that feat while admirable doesn't hold water. Dooku was able to contend with Yoda on his own natural skill.

Windu showed he had the speed to defeat Sidious so why wouldn't it apply here ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah.

Windu showed he had the speed to defeat Sidious so why wouldn't it apply here ?

Cause Windu won't receive the same boost he did in that fight. The dark energy coming from Dooku isn't nearly as much as Sidious, and the hatred mace has, is mutually not as large. Dooku is also more controlled and calculating then Sidious who wouldn't let his emotions get the better of him like that.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Cause Windu won't receive the same boost he did in that fight. The dark energy coming from Dooku isn't nearly as much as Sidious, and the hatred mace has, is mutually not as large. Dooku is also more controlled and calculating then Sidious who wouldn't let his emotions get the better of him like that.

Windu is better then Dooku, everyone in the other forum has told you this and proven it over and over. Dooku literally gets curb stomped by Windu faster and easier then Anakin did to him .

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Windu is better then Dooku, everyone in the other forum has told you this and proven it over and over. Dooku literally gets curb stomped by Windu faster and easier then Anakin did to him .

This is defintly opinion and can go either way. It hasn't been proven since the only thing putting mace above Dooku is his battle with Windu which he was only able to contend in was his boost with Vaapad which he won't be getting in this match up.

Explain how it's been proven to me over and over. As far as I'm concerned Darth Thor was back and forth and KT is really not reliable since he like Quan believes his word to be fact when it's not.

Windu put Palps on his ass, without much trouble. Everyone from continuity knows that Wundu is just that uber. He would even take Yoda down in a sword fight. He's that good.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Windu put Palps on his ass, without much trouble. Everyone from continuity knows that Wundu is just that uber. He would even take Yoda down. He's that good.

With a temporary boost that wasn't easy. He needed to sink compleltely into Vaapad just to stalemate, which is an amazing feat. Amazing is understating it tho. However that doesn't change the fact that the boost he received is what allowed him to contend. Now that's funny thinking that Windu could take Yoda. If you mean contend then yes, beat no. Yoda beats Mace.