Apocalypse' Telepathy.

So, I dunno if it warrants a thread, but I'm making one to deal with this issue because it's been bugging me.

I've heard continuous comments about how Apocalypse' telepathy is oh so much superior to well known telepaths like Xavier and co. Something about a mindrape? I dunno.

I'm not saying it's not- it could very well be. I'd just like to be able to firmly place it at one level or another. Thus far, the evidence supporting any placement has been... questionable, at best.

BTW, I made the thread in this forum for a reason. I'd like a discussion, not an endless argument/featwar/fanboy battle.

So... IYO, how could of a telepath is Apocalypse?

Below Jonn.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Below Jonn.

Who cares...

He's got a couple of feats that put him at least on par with a non-jobbing Xavier.

Mental control of celestial tech.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Apoctech.png

Apocalypse telekinetically raising his palace from under the ground
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/palacerise.png

A weakened Apocalypse punks Jean Grey (Phoenix!) psionically.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.png

Mindrapes Xavier.
http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62cdef62ccb2b33fc87e80c52a32887b5f7.JPG

Apocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1774/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

Apocalypse mind controlled the Inhuman population including the Dark Riders. Especially good, because Psynapse (one of the inhumans) is a very powerful psychic, with his own section of the astral plane
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmindconrol.png

Exactly how good he is, I'm not sure. But he's at least on par with guys like Xavier, Exodus, and others. But below Onslaught, Nate Grey, and Jesus Cable.

Care to post scans?

Such as?

Scans are now posted. I edited them into my post.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's got a couple of feats that put him at least on par with a non-jobbing Xavier.

Mental control of celestial tech.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Apoctech.png

Apocalypse telekinetically raising his palace from under the ground
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/palacerise.png

A weakened Apocalypse punks Jean Grey (Phoenix!) psionically.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.png

Mindrapes Xavier.
http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62cdef62ccb2b33fc87e80c52a32887b5f7.JPG

Apocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1774/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

Apocalypse mind controlled the Inhuman population including the Dark Riders. Especially good, because Psynapse (one of the inhumans) is a very powerful psychic, with his own section of the astral plane
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmindconrol.png

Exactly how good he is, I'm not sure. But he's at least on par with guys like Xavier, Exodus, and others. But below Onslaught, Nate Grey, and Jesus Cable.

Those are his highest feats?

"highest?"

Those are pretty impressive feats. I've yet to see anyone punk Xavier like that, not since Rachel Grey back in the day. When she just arrived.

Originally posted by llagrok
"highest?"

Those are pretty impressive feats. I've yet to see anyone punk Xavier like that, not since Rachel Grey back in the day. When she just arrived.

"Greatest", "highest", "most impressive", you pick. Either way, if those are his most "prestigious" feats, his telepathy has been vastly overrated in the vs. Forum.

I want to see his lowest telepathic feats. I want to see the time he couldn't breach the psionic defenses of a racoon.

Originally posted by His Airness
"Greatest", "highest", "most impressive", you pick. Either way, if those are his most "prestigious" feats, his telepathy has been vastly overrated in the vs. Forum.

Can't think of any stronger feats than beating Xavier. Not for a 616 telepath.

Originally posted by llagrok
Can't think of any stronger feats than beating Xavier. Not for a 616 telepath.

Actually 😖hifty:

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's got a couple of feats that put him at least on par with a non-jobbing Xavier.

Mental control of celestial tech.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Apoctech.png

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apocalypse telekinetically raising his palace from under the ground
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/palacerise.png

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
A weakened Apocalypse punks Jean Grey (Phoenix!) psionically.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.png

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Mindrapes Xavier.
http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62cdef62ccb2b33fc87e80c52a32887b5f7.JPG

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1774/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apocalypse mind controlled the Inhuman population including the Dark Riders. Especially good, because Psynapse (one of the inhumans) is a very powerful psychic, with his own section of the astral plane
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmindconrol.png

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Exactly how good he is, I'm not sure. But he's at least on par with guys like Xavier, Exodus, and others. But below Onslaught, Nate Grey, and Jesus Cable.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Perhaps the only scan here that may show telepathy. Although still ambiguous, it looks like Xavier was hit with an energy blast, and I've never seen a telepathic attack have the sound effect "ZRAK" as an energy blast would. Xavier isn't rendered unconscious.

I think it's fair to say that's TP. A flash of light around the head is pretty common accompianyment.

Also he's fighting off a number of people while he does that.

Silly Exodus, you don't think I know of Cassandra Nova? Whose powers HAIL FROM PROFESSOR XAVIER? A mummudrai is not a mutant at all. I was referring to telepathic mutants.

So far, Apocalypse > All

A mindblast could really just be a low showing for Xavier...

Originally posted by llagrok
Silly Exodus, you don't think I know of Cassandra Nova? Whose powers HAIL FROM PROFESSOR XAVIER? A mummudrai is not a mutant at all. I was referring to telepathic mutants.

So far, Apocalypse > All

You probably do. But you said:

"Can't think of any stronger feats than beating Xavier. Not for a 616 telepath.

Clearly besting him while he's on Cerebra is a stronger feat for a 616 Telepath(Cassandra Nova)?

As for the scan...I never noticed the Zrak that X pointed out. Interesting.

IRRC Someone list all the times Apocalypse has captured Xavier and placed him into some sort of sleep. Because I remember coming across a scan where Xavier wakes up from his deep sleep and mindrapes Apocalypse.(If it's any help the art was pretty bad, and when Apocalypse got mind raped he made the same gesture as Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone. I just can't remember which issue it was. I think the scan may be in my PM box but it's too big to sift through.)

If it was indeed a mindblast at all.

And so far as mutant telepaths go, there are others with more and better feats.

Oh and Spunky.. "Apocalypse's" 313.

wasn't psynapse the dumbass who accidentally unlocked jean's then-repressed telepathy? maybe it was x-man's. maybe both.