Apocalypse' Telepathy.

Started by Bad Ash2317 pages
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
How would you explain the position of Jeans arms(Shielding herself from the impact) from Apocalypse blast at Xavier if it was a mental blast?

Bright flash of light surrounding his body (energy attacks are odd in comic form at times, sometimes the visuals are just for the readers, sometimes the characters also see them) or it could be that since his body jerked and he seemed to be flailing that she was shielding herself from that.

Apocalypse also isn't know for having the ability to set his energy blasts to stun so...

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Bright flash of light surrounding his body (energy attacks are odd in comic form at times, sometimes the visuals are just for the readers, sometimes the characters also see them) or it could be that since his body jerked and he seemed to be flailing that she was shielding herself from that.

Apocalypse also isn't know for having the ability to set his energy blasts to stun so...

As far as it's been shown mental energy has never been shown to blind onlooking individuals. In fact I have never seen psionic energy blasts blind people before.

Seeing how he's blasted the X-Men before with Energy attacks...eg Rogue and it hasn't killed them I'd assume its the same here. Shielding herself from his flailing? Huh? He wasn't that close to her. It looks more like she was shielding herself from the light and impact of his energy blast.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5052/apoconeshotsroguehavokby4.jpg

In that Twelve arc issue he blasted Jean and he sucked Cyclops dry and didn't bother killing them when he had the chance. 😬 I presume it s the same with Xavier. He was preocuppied with more important matters.

If Charles is being blasted by some kind of energy, why aren't his clothes tearing?

Originally posted by Jyppe
If Charles is being blasted by some kind of energy, why aren't his clothes tearing?

All the X-Mens clothes(Even Casual clothes) are made out of special material, and unstable molecules that act as armour. Rogues clothes didn't tear when Apocalypse blasted her.
That and Hulks pants survive nukes.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
All the X-Mens clothes(Even Casual clothes) are made out of special material, and unstable molecules that act as armour. Rogues clothes didn't tear when Apocalypse blasted her.
That and Hulks pants survive nukes.

I was just being a smartass 🙂 The blast might have been concussive in nature, but I'm still pretty sure it was Telepathy. The whole eye flashing deal might be related to the techno-organic virus, similar with Cable's eye flashing when he uses his powers. Btw, does Apoc use his energy powers/TK without using any gestures in the arc? I think he always shoots them from his hands, but in this case he doesn't.

Anyways, it doesn't really matter much to me whether Apocalypse is super telepathic monster or not.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
they show his eye go red

I thought I should mention that Apocalypse's normal eye color in that issue was red...

Here's something... interesting... I found...

Jean Grey states that Apocalypse has physical and psionic defenses.

Psionic defenses don't mean you're telepathic. Juggernaut had psionic defenses in his hlemet and skull cap. He was no telepath.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Psionic defenses don't mean you're telepathic. Juggernaut had psionic defenses in his hlemet and skull cap. He was no telepath.

Except, Apocalypse has displayed telepathic feats...

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Except, Apocalypse has displayed telepathic feats...
that doesn't negate my point. Psionic defenses are not proof of telepathy.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Except, Apocalypse has displayed telepathic feats...

Cresh is right, Wolverine also has psionic defences. So does Storm to probing. So do all the X-Men actually...

Emma has displayed more telekinetic feats...then Apocalypse with his Telepathy.
The Ozymandius one is a feat for Apocalypse...and I'd give you the Black Knight one.(And we'll even assume he's not using Tech for that feat in the Black Knight one)

Heck in two of those 5 instances they even mention the word telekinesis 😬 Still doesn't mean she's a telekinetic or latent telekinetic it's not consistent enough to prove that she's one. 😬

Continued:

And here after Jean transfered her mind into Emma's comatose body in order to save herself she uses Emma's powers to generate a telekinetic forcefield.

Levitating Kichen Utensils
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=generationx01916qk9.jpg

Claremont was on drugs when he wrote this:
http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newmutantsannual0432sx5.jpg

Blocking TK from reaching Scott
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page0304zb4ep1.jpg

Doesn't mean she's a telekinetic 😬

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Like I said I don't know much of Manslaughter so I can't be 100% sure...but I assumed since you would know more about him since you're bringing the character up?

I think I know enough. Manslaughter is an obscure characters so theres not that much info. I had his 1986 bio and I think I had some Defenders comics on him but im not sure...it was along time ago.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Either way though...he'd be similar to spidey.(See below)

Look at the scan....Spidermans Spider sense is also telepathic like...his power was switched off during Psi-War...all telepathic-like characters on Marvel Earth were effected by Psi-War. Spiderman can't access the Astral Plane because he has a special type of telepathy.

He would be like Spidey in theory...

Im sorry but I think thats completely incorrect. Spidermans powers warn him of danger, if his powers were telepathic in nature they would only work with sentient beings. Hell his powers work even when he uses it to web-sling from building to building. Furthermore if you look athe scan it doesnt just refer to telepathic powers but intuitive powers as well. Spidermans powers are not telepathic they are intuitive.

Now even if Spiderman is a telepath you might have missed my point. If the astral plane contains mental energy and telepaths are able to acess it because they can read minds in principle anybody who has the power to acess minds should be able to acesss it but due to the fact they cannot go as far as reading thoughts they will only have limited acess. Remember Manslaughters bio states that he makes himself invisible by "reading" peoples mind. The reading just isnt as advanced as telepathy. On second thoughts my point about "read" seems valid.

Bare in mind im not saying you dont have a good point you do I just dont think its that clear cut. You make a good point I just think there are shades of grey.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Either way though. There's little to suggest that Apocalypse uses telepathy apart from the Ozymandius incident where he looked at the "Tapestry in Ozymandius mind" and Zzzrak Scan. And his more recent appearances suggest that he doesn't when you consider that Ozymandius managed to hide things from his master.
You'd think a character like Apocalypse would have more telepathic feats then that? And less ambiguous ones to say the least. As said before Emma Frost has demonstrated Telekinesis more times then Apocalypse and his telepathy. Even Magneto has more concrete instances with telepathy then Apocalypse.
You'd also think Exodus would have mentioned him in his Telepathic Ranking. Since Apocalypse is the one who augmented him and all.

Fair enough, but sometimes characters are just written badly and inconsistently.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im sorry but I think thats completely incorrect. Spidermans powers warn him of danger, if his powers were telepathic in nature they would only work with sentient beings. Hell his powers work even when he uses it to web-sling from building to building. Furthermore if you look athe scan it doesnt just refer to telepathic powers but intuitive powers as well. Spidermans powers are not telepathic they are intuitive.[/B]

I said they were "telepathic-like" not telepathic. The point was that his powers are linked to the Astral Plane and yet he cannot access it or shape the plane to his will like a true telepath. Even if he were thrown on the Astral Plane by another telepath I doubt he'd be able to shape it to his will.

If Manslaughter cannot shape those energies(The energy of the Astral Plane is thought energy)...then he'll be in the same position as Spiderman.

Generally someone who can read minds and then manipulate said thoughts shows that the person should be able to access the astral plane. Because in theory they would be manipulating the very same energies that makes up the Astral Plane.

But I found a better bio on him and it seems as though he can manipulate emotions etc...so it's possible that he could access the Astral Plane.

http://www.comicvine.com/manslaughter/3139/

This bio here though:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/manslaughter.htm

Says that he can "read" the activity of the autonomic nervous systems of people. Read is in inverted commas, so he could psionically read the activity of the autonomic nervous system like Storm can feel and read the activity of the atmosphere she's in.

autonomic nervous system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_nervous_system

That would explain how he's able to influence peoples peripheral vision and hearing.

However that Bio above...says he can form psychic links with people...and that he projected emotions into Moondragons mind so I presume that he can manipulate thoughts.

Comicvine is about as reliable as Marvel.com

Originally posted by llagrok
Comicvine is about as reliable as Marvel.com

Yeah but I realized that it says the same thing in this bio as well, the one Alfheim gave me.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/manslaughter.htm

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I said they were "telepathic-like" not telepathic. The point was that his powers are linked to the Astral Plane and yet he cannot access it or shape the plane to his will like a true telepath. Even if he were thrown on the Astral Plane by another telepath I doubt he'd be able to shape it to his will.

You see I dont know what you arguing about wasnt the point you were trying to make is that somehow Spidermans powers have access to the mind? Obvoulsy You were not saying that Spiderman can read thoughts so obvoulsy you were saying his powers had some sort of link to the mind ie telepathic like. Eventhough I used the word telepathic its obvious I know what you meant.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

If Manslaughter cannot shape those energies(The energy of the Astral Plane is thought energy)...then he'll be in the same position as Spiderman.

He can shape the energy thats how it goes invisible. Correct me if im wrong but does Spiderman have pwoers that affect the mind...he might do now...so I could be wrong.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

But I found a better bio on him and it seems as though he can manipulate emotions etc...so it's possible that he could access the Astral Plane.

http://www.comicvine.com/manslaughter/3139/

I think it says that he can transfer emotions through a psyhic link. So thats not his standard power setting, even DD can do telepathy under the right cirucmstance but without these circumstances his powers are not telepathic. This is probably why its wasnt in the bio I gave you.

I think Wolverine gad telepathic powers with Cerebero that dont make him a telepath at all.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You see I dont know what you arguing about wasnt the point you were trying to make is that somehow Spidermans powers have access to the mind? Obvoulsy You were not saying that Spiderman can read thoughts so obvoulsy you were saying his powers had some sort of link to the mind ie telepathic like. Eventhough I used the word telepathic its obvious I know what you meant.

No I wasn't. I was trying to show you that even though a characters powers have links to the Astral Plane it doesn't neccessarily mean they can manipulate it or access it. Because to access the astral plane one would need to manipulate and shape it's very energies.(Mental Energy)
The bio you gave me said he "reads" autonomic nervous systems of other people. "Reads" is in inverted commas which could mean he psionically reads and manipulates autonomic nervous systems like Storm reads and psionically manipulates her enviroment. It doesn't make him a true telepath. If that was the case one could say that Storm has limited telepathy and Iceman has limited telepathy.
The autonomic nervous system is responsible for hearing, seeing etc...which explains how he's able to effect peoples vision and hearing.
This line here:

Thus he can effectively make himself invisible unless he is seen straight on, and he can prevent someone from hearing him as long as the sounds he makes are roughly at the level of ambient sound in the room they are in. The source of Manslaughter's powers is unknown; possibly he is a mutant.

Makes his limited telepathy even more suspect...his invisibility depends on what angle he's being looked at and the amplitude of the sounds he makes.

I think it says that he can transfer emotions through a psyhic link. So thats not his standard power setting, even DD can do telepathy under the right cirucmstance but without these circumstances his powers are not telepathic. This is probably why its wasnt in the bio I gave you.

Anyway nevermind.

Oh wait you're right it says Moondragon estabilished the link...so then he can't create psychic links then? In that case since there's no evidence of him manipulating or shaping thought energy I'd presume he wouldn't be able to access the astral plane.

I think Wolverine gad telepathic powers with Cerebero that dont make him a telepath at all.

He used it to amplify his mind and communicate with Cable and Jean on the Astral Plane...he was communicating with two telepaths I'd hardly say he gained telepathic powers. Cerebra can be used by non-telepaths anyway. eg Kitty Pryde.

I can''t believe a thread about Apocalypse 5 pages long isn't about how lame he is.