Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He's got a couple of feats that put him at least on par with a non-jobbing Xavier.Mental control of celestial tech.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/Apoctech.pngApocalypse telekinetically raising his palace from under the ground
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/palacerise.pngA weakened Apocalypse punks Jean Grey (Phoenix!) psionically.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.pngMindrapes Xavier.
http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62cdef62ccb2b33fc87e80c52a32887b5f7.JPGApocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1774/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.pngApocalypse mind controlled the Inhuman population including the Dark Riders. Especially good, because Psynapse (one of the inhumans) is a very powerful psychic, with his own section of the astral plane
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmindconrol.pngExactly how good he is, I'm not sure. But he's at least on par with guys like Xavier, Exodus, and others. But below Onslaught, Nate Grey, and Jesus Cable.
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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Has he tried? Thats the difference. Karma has...IRRC...and she's as weak as they get. Psylocke commented on Rudimentary Telepaths and the Astral Plane during her astral fight with Shadow King in X-Men #77 and #78.He has like two instances of telepathy..(One ambigous one..and the other I'll give you...but will re-read up on the connection between Ozymandius and Apocalypse)
By that logic feats like Emma Frost using telekinesis would count...which they don't.
I'm going to bump the Apocalypse Telepathy thread to avoid anymore spam here.
Well I dont know id hes tried all I know is that hes a telepath, I would assume he actually knows what astral projection is and he probably ungergoes some form of training. So it seems to me the most likely conclusion is that he cant...or he cant yet.
Isnt creating illusions a form of telepathy? Whats IRRC?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well I dont know id hes tried all I know is that hes a telepath, I would assume he actually knows what astral projection is and he probably ungergoes some form of training. So it seems to me the most likely conclusion is that he cant...or he cant yet.Isnt creating illusions a form of telepathy? Whats IRRC?
Originally posted by Alfheim
All of them? Dont think Mentallo can.
Just remembered Mentallo actually has accessed the Astral Plane...he fought Xavier on the Astral Plane.
Marvel Team up V1 #118
Mental Illusions or are a form of telepathy...Illusions can also be created by Telekinesis though...as shown by Nate Grey.
IRRC = If I recall correctly.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Just remembered Mentallo actually has accessed the Astral Plane...he fought Xavier on the Astral Plane.[b]Marvel Team up V1 #118
Damn you!!!!! 😆 Oh well there goes my theory back to the drawing board. 😆
The only thing I can see is then that Mastermind has never shown astral projection and neither has his dughter....I dont think. Theres also manslaughter as well he can make hismelf invisiible in peoples minds. Telekinetic illusions dont count because your not actually going into somebodys mind.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Damn you!!!!! 😆 Oh well there goes my theory back to the drawing board. 😆The only thing I can see is then that Mastermind has never shown astral projection and neither has his dughter....I dont think.
Mastermind has pulled Cyclops and fought him on the Astral Plane...he fought Xavier astrally in X-Men First Class as well. Masterminds daughter Lady Mastermind was able to access the Astral Plane and get pummeled on the Astral Plane by the Mummadrai hiding there and she's demonstrated far more telepathic abilities then her father.
Magneto and his on and off telepathic abilities have accessed the Astral Plane 😖hifty: IRRC
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Mastermind has fought Cyclops and pulled him on the Astral Plane...he fought Xavier astrally in X-Men First Class as well. Masterminds daughter Lady Mastermind was able to access Astral Plane and get pummeled on the Astral Plane by the Mummadrai hiding there and she's demonstrated far more telepathic abilities then her father.
I think im gonna give up now. The last person I can think of is Manslaughter
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/manslaughterdef.htm
Hell he might have astral projected as well but not as far as I know.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I think im gonna give up now. The last person I can think of is Manslaughterhttp://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/manslaughterdef.htm
Hell he might have astral projected as well but not as far as I know.
I don't know enough about him to say...but since Apocalypse is an X-character. And if he really is a telepath I don't see why they would write him any differently to any other X-written telepath...heck even Mags with his so called telepathy and latent telepathy can astral project and access the Astral Plane.
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hy3pg220vm.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen0410mb2.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm00604bd2.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm00605uf6.jpg
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Mr. Sinister has also accessed the Astral Plane during the Inferno Arc where he took on both X-teams. Monet St. Croix accessed the Astral Plane in Gen X #19. Astrid Bloom accessed the Astral Plane in Emma Frost #18
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't know enough about him to say...but since Apocalypse is an X-character. I don't see why they would write him any differently if he was a telepath
Well you could be right but sometimes writers make characters suck. Hell Champion has the ability to teleport objects all of a sudden the writers decided to turn him into a cosmic brick.
You put forward a good case but sometimes some characters just get a raw deal.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
...heck even Mags with his so called telepathy and latent telepathy can astral project and access the Astral Plane.http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hy3pg220vm.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen0410mb2.jpg
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm00604bd2.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm00605uf6.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm00606us4.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm00607bi6.jpg[/center]Mr. Sinister has also accessed the Astral Plane.
Yeah well all the evidence indicates you are right. Manslaughter seems the exception to the rule but this is probably because he is an obscure characters he pisonic powers are very weak and im pretty sure they are weaker than Karmas. Karma can control minds right?
Anyway heres a better link
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/manslaughter.htm
Known Superhuman Powers: Manslaughter possesses limited telepathic powers which enable him to "read" the activity of the autonomic nervous systems of other people. He can use this ability to influence the peripheral vision and subliminal hearing of other people. Thus he can effectively make himself invisible unless he is seen straight on, and he can prevent someone from hearing him as long as the sounds he makes are roughly at the level of ambient sound in the room they are in. The source of Manslaughter's powers is unknown; possibly he is a mutant.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Yep...
OK just checking I got the right one.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Manslaughter doesn't seem like a true telepath...he seems to have access to be able to manipulate the biological functions of the mind and body bia the nervous system rather then the conscious aspects...Can he read peoples thoughts?
As far as I know all he uses his powers to do is affects peoples minds so he becomes invisible. I dont think he can actually read minds but to be fair hes powers are described as being "telepathic" so he still does come under the telepathic category.
Originally posted by Alfheim
OK just checking I got the right one.As far as I know all he uses his powers to do is affects peoples minds so he becomes invisible. I dont think he can actually read minds but to be fair hes powers are described as being "telepathic" so he still does come under the telepathic category.
Not necessarily...if he can't read peoples thoughts then he's as good (Slightly better) as this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Kine
Telepaths can manipulate biological functions of the body..eg induce orgasms, pain...inhibit pain. That seems to match with his bio because it says he has limited telepathy.
Example to become invisible to people he would effect their nervous system which their optical nerves are attached to...
The Astral Plane is the sum accumulation of everyones(Non-Telepath and Telepath) mental energy...it's also the sum accumulation of psionic energy(Refered to as life Energy when Cable takes Apocalypse to the Astral Plane)
If he can't read peoples thoughts then logically speaking he's not going to be able to access the astral plane.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Not necessarily...if he can't read peoples thoughts then he's as good (Slightly better) as this guy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Kine
Telepaths can manipulate biological functions of the body..eg induce orgasms, pain...inhibit pain. That seems to match with his bio because it says he has limited telepathy.
Yes and manslaughter manipluates the functions of the body by making himself invisible. 😐
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The Astral Plane is the sum accumulation of everyone(Non-Telepath and Telepath) mental energy...it's also the sum accumulation of psionic energy(Refered to as life Energy when Cable takes Apocalypse to the Astral Plane)
If he can't read peoples thoughts then logically speaking he's not going to be able to access the astral plane.
Yes by why do you have to just be able to read peoples thoughts to gain access? If you can acess peoples mind even if you cant acess their thoughts you still have acess to their mental energy logically it should give you limited astral projection. Telepathy does not strictly have to be reading people thoughts but manipulating minds psionically and at the end of the day thats what gives people astral porjection so it should apply to all forms of telepathy.
