Effects...just "icing" on the cake? (or) not comparable to playing Bach?

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
A microphone...on it's own...is a tool. It doesn't (like something you can use as an instrument) have buttons to push or knobs to turn that can be used in a creative way to be musical with.

You CAN with a vocoder.

You're WRONG.

Please allow us to continue our discussion

No, read it.

A vocoder does not create anything, neither does a mic. You create the sound, the mic amplifies it, the vocoder alters it.

You blow into a trumpet and the instrument makes the sound.

"Sound is produced by blowing air through closed lips, producing a 'buzzing' sound into the mouthpiece and starting a standing wave vibration in the air column inside the trumpet.".

Reply?

Also, nobody here has proof you know anything about music, but plenty to the contrary. You are the laughing stock of this forum and most would wish you away.

-AC

THIS is one of the most desperate, embarrasing things I think I've ever seen in my life.

You ACTUALLY give a definition, and if front of everyones eyes, ACTUALLY try and alter it to suit your argumet

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[b]producing a 'buzzing' sound into the mouthpiece and starting a standing wave vibration in the air column inside the trumpet.".

You were saying, EP?

You blow into a trumpet, the trumpet makes the sound.[/B]

NO AC YOU DON'T BLOW INTO A TRUMPET.

YOU "BLOW" INTO A HARMONICA.

YOU "BUZZ"..."BUZZ" INTO A TRUMPET

YOU'RE WRONNNNNNG. YOU GOOFED AND YOU'RE WRONG.

A VOCODER CAN BE USED JUST AS MUCH AS AN INSTRUMENT AS A TRUMPET CAN

Now will you PLEASE let us continue with this thread or I'll report you again you pest!

2D...is there any particular reason you have answered to the second part of the argument? Just curious what you think.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
So what about what I said regarding what Depeche Mode does...do you agree with that at all?

Oh and AC...yes you're right

%100

I admit I'm TOTALLY wrong.

You won AC...you're the "winner".

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
THIS is one of the most desperate, embarrasing things I think I've ever seen in my life.

You ACTUALLY give a definition, and if front of everyones eyes, ACTUALLY try and alter it to suit your argumet

NO AC YOU DON'T BLOW INTO A TRUMPET.

YOU "BLOW" INTO A HARMONICA.

YOU "BUZZ"..."BUZZ" INTO A TRUMPET

YOU'RE WRONNNNNNG. YOU GOOFED AND YOU'RE WRONG.

[B]A VOCODER CAN BE USED JUST AS MUCH AS AN INSTRUMENT AS A TRUMPET CAN

Now will you PLEASE let us continue with this thread or I'll report you again you pest! [/B]

No, you BLOW into a trumpet, as it just said, and the buzzing sound is created by the trumpet. READ it.

Caps lock is auto pilot for cool, I understand.

I love the way you cut my quote off before "...producing a buzzing sound.". It actually says this:

"Sound is produced by blowing air through closed lips..." first.

-AC

Oh thanks for stating the obvious AC...kinda like you BLOW into a vocoder then. Right?

WHAT'S YOUR POINT ANYMORE?

Why even continue on this tangent? Do you even know what you're arguing for at this point?

You said something and I proved you wrong...and you KNOW it's wrong. You're just being immature and blocking it out....like you do with EVERYTHING AC. EVERYTHING.

What goes into the trumpet is a SOUND...a "BUZZ".

What goes into a harmonica is "AIR"...NOT a sound

You'd be right if you were talking about a harmonica...but you're NOT. You're atalking about a trumpet. YOU'RE WRONG.

But you didn't know the difference and you goofed...and now you're desperately trying to show that you didn't.

Who are you trying to fool here? Not me because I've seen what you're trying to do.

The ONLY person you're trying to fool is YOU AC. Something you seem to do EVERYDAY...ALL THE TIME.

It truly is a wonder.

And in case you forgot what you were actually arguing about

Regarding what I said about a vocoder being used as an instrument, you said...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How? By speaking into it? Then it's not CREATING, it's ALTERING.

How exactly do you thinkg a trumpet creates a sound anyway AC...just by pressing stuff (like on a piano?)

I've never in my life seen someone so badly argue a point (2 now) that he knows himslef is so clearly wrong, JUST to save face.

But that's basically what AC does half the time...tries to save face (as he's wrong about ANYTHING)

This is something to behold.

Reported for spamming, AGAIN.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Oh thanks for stating the obvious AC...kinda like you BLOW into a vocoder then. Right?

You don't blow into a vocoder you idiot. You speak into it, or sing into it. The sound is created by the voice, THEN it's ALTERED by the vocoder.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You said something and I proved you wrong...and you KNOW it's wrong. You're just being immature and blocking it out....like you do with EVERYTHING AC. EVERYTHING.

No, I'm factually, objectively correct. You can keep believing what you want, but you're wrong, and once again you're alone.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
What goes into the trumpet is a SOUND...a "BUZZ".

No a BUZZ is created by the trumped, you don't BUZZ into it, you BLOW AIR into it then sound is then generated by a part of the trumpet, the mouthpiece, then it's vibrated in the tubes. As stated here:

"Sound is produced by blowing air through closed lips, producing a 'buzzing' sound into the mouthpiece and starting a standing wave vibration in the air column inside the trumpet...".

SOUND is produced by blowing air into the mouth piece, which creates the sound, the buzz. As said above.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
What goes into a harmonica is "AIR"...NOT a sound

Same as a trumpet.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You'd be right if you were talking about a harmonica...but you're NOT. You're atalking about a trumpet. YOU'RE WRONG.

I just showed you a quote telling you how a trumpet works. Do I need to go and get many links? I will if I have to.

Here's another quote:

"Brass Family instruments produce their unique sound by the player blowing air through a cup- or funnel-shaped mouthpiece. To produce higher or lower pitches, the player adjusts the opening between his/her lips. The mouthpiece connects to a length of brass tubing ending in a bell. The shorter the tubing length, the smaller the instrument, and the higher the sound; and the longer the tubing length, the larger the instrument, and the lower the sound. The brass family can trace its ancestry back to herald trumpets, hunting horns, and military bugles. The main instruments of the brass family include the trumpet, horn, trombone, and tuba.".

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
But you didn't know the difference and you goofed...and now you're desperately trying to show that you didn't.

Who are you trying to fool here? Not me because I've seen what you're trying to do.

The ONLY person you're trying to fool is YOU AC. Something you seem to do EVERYDAY...ALL THE TIME.

It truly is a wonder.

And this is what I make you do, I FORCE you to be desperate.

-AC

AC. You're a living wall of denial.

It's truly wonderous.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
WHAT FACTS you AC lover?

AC said you can't use a vocoder as an instrument...he only thinks instruments are "traditional" forms of expressing yourself musically like a trumpet...(but then also went on to say vocoders alter the sound you mouth makes)

To which I said...

The number of times you have agreed with AC on the most outlandish arguments and reasoning involving music is truly a wonder to behold...AC of all people.

Way to go Bardock!

The fact that a pedal is not an instrument.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
AC. You're a living wall of denial.

It's truly wonderous.

But I'm proving that you blow into a trumpet, it's a known fact.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
But I'm proving that you blow into a trumpet, it's a known fact.

To be specific though AC (and it's necessary because you don't know much about music making) you make a "buzzing" sound into a trumpet. You "blow" into a harmonica.

This all started when you said regarding the differnce between a vocoder and trumpet

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
EP, you BLOW into a trumpet and IT makes the sound.

YOU make the sound and the VOCODER alters it.

Well...you're WRONG.

In the case of a trumpet, you make a sound...not just BLOW in it...and then the trumpet alters it....EXACTLY what you said a vocoder does.

...but just keep lying to yourself AC. It truly, probably is a record (if there was one for such a thing).

Originally posted by Bardock42
The fact that a pedal is not an instrument.

Do you think it would be inaccurate to say that once a guitar is plugged into the pedal that the system as a whole could be said to be an instrument? A mute for a horn isn't an instrument itself but it's use alters the timbre in such a way to evoke a different feeling. Just like a slide isn't an instrument unto itself but using one on a guitar creates a different sonic texture than a plectrum or finger picking.

Yes, I would say that it is an instrument on the whole. The pedal is not though. Just a part.

Originally posted by Ytse
Do you think it would be inaccurate to say that once a guitar is plugged into the pedal that the system as a whole could be said to be an instrument? A mute for a horn isn't an instrument itself but it's use alters the timbre in such a way to evoke a different feeling. Just like a slide isn't an instrument unto itself but using one on a guitar creates a different sonic texture than a plectrum or finger picking.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I would say that it is an instrument on the whole. The pedal is not though. Just a part.

Anything you can use to alter sound in a creative way (by using buttons, knobs, sliders, etc...) can be used as an instrument.

oops. double post

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I would say that it is an instrument on the whole. The pedal is not though. Just a part.

Sure, I agree. Unless you want to be really unconventional and use the pedal as like a jam block or something on a drum kit.

😄

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
To be specific though AC (and it's necessary because you don't know much about music making) you make a "buzzing" sound into a trumpet. You "blow" into a harmonica.

No, to be specific, as I have provided two quotes from two links, and as anyone will tell you; You blow into both, the buzzing is created by the mouthpiece FROM that, then wave vibrations create the sound.

FACT is, YOU know nothing about music making and have never played an instrument or made a song in your life. Objective truth, unless you can prove me wrong...(OH! What now?).

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
This all started when you said regarding the differnce between a vocoder and trumpet

Well...you're WRONG.

You can keep saying it, but it's not true. This started from the very beginning when you, again, held an idiotic belief "Just because this is how I see it." and do not think for ONE SECOND "Hey...you know, I'm wrong here.".

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
In the case of a trumpet, you make a sound...not just BLOW in it...and then the trumpet alters it....EXACTLY what you said a vocoder does.

No, you blow into it, the mouthpiece makes a buzz, the tubes make it resonate. Fact. Nothing you say is important after that.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
...but just keep lying to yourself AC. It truly, probably is a record (if there was one for such a thing).

Lies.

-AC

WHAT?

You're a laugh.