freedon nadd versus darth vader

ok i finally got time for your post kadesh, so sorry for the late reply

I kind of think that the stuff mentioned in TOTJ companion is a debate itself because how can that force storm be a jedi power when sidious stated that he uses his rage to build up the storm in space as written in the book of anger, Jedis do not use rage. No retcon has been established between DESB and TOTJ C

well jedi dont necessarily have to be willing to perform the technique just because they know it

clearly the jedi knew how the perform the technique (as it is a jedi power), but obviously would never go to the lengths of actually performing it mainly due to how destructive it is (and jedi aim to be as least destructive as possible) and the fact that they would know better than to execute such a dark power which could possibly turn them over to the darkside

And even if nadd knew it how powerful do we know it is? DS just mentioned sidious took it to a whole new level

i dont recall sidious having taken the power to the next level, in fact the descriptions inside the darkside compendium and the totj companion are near identical, however if darth sexy has a point, im certainly willing to hear him out

and while its true that we dont know exactly how great nadds execution of the power is, the technique itself is extremely destructive in nature, and with it comes great power, no matter how powerful you are, going by the descriptions in the totj companion

its likely you need to be extremely powerful to even come close to executing such a power anyways, let alone controlling it

I must have misread your statement, i apologise then

no worries

Nadd could have just gave kun the impression that he was super powerful when he was alive which could only be half true ,

he stated it to arca jeth actually, so he really wouldnt have had any reason to lie, i mean really, what good would boasting about how powerful he was when he was alive do, its not like he would really have reason to impress anyone. plus theres also the fact that we already know that spirits weaken over time, for example exar kun who by his own admission needed to gain power from force users and power sources to become even close to as powerful as he was when he was alive, so its not just nadds word that were relying on here, so its pretty clear that he was indeed much more powerful when he was alive

And about pushing vodo when he was on yavin? Spirits arent bound to a single place and the force push certeinly wasnt flying across the galaxy, It could have been force pushing vodo while communicating with him telepathicly

not sure i understand what ur saying here

sure, spirits arent bound to one place, so what? that doest change the fact that nadd did target and then attack vodo from lightyears away, which makes it all the more impressive given that the further away a force user is from his opponent, the harder it is to overpower them with the force, and the greater the required power would need to be. its likely if nadd was actually anywhere near vodo when he pulled off the attack, he may have even been able to instakill him or something, and thats his fricking 'powerless' 400 year old spirit. thats truly how powerful nadd was

Well the NEC says different, stating that he influenced the onderon people rather than using force

no, thats not what it actually says, ur probably mixing up sources, all that the nec states on the matter is that with his knowledge of sith magic, freedon nadd easily made himself leader among the people

then you have kotor2 claiming that he did it by use of his short lightsaber and short blaster (so clearly to some degree through brute force), and the darkside sourcebook claiming that he did it with the darkside and sith magic, so its definite that pure martial might had to have been used to some degree, and likely to the highest

because after a while, he couldnt fight of mere beast riders with all of his sith magic, I will provide a quote if you request it

no, thats cool, i have the nec, and it does indeed say that, but what you have to remember is that the nec is written by an in-universe narrator, meaning its subject to being inaccurate

sure, he displays some pretty accurate knowledge throughout the book, and thus most of it can be treated as being accurate, however when he says something like that, he cant possibly know for sure whether the true upper limit of nadds power was insufficient in stopping the beast riders (only nadd would know that), so its asinine to treat that part of the nec as fact

its likely nadd, as king, really wouldnt have cared too much about the beast riders (i mean really, as long as they werent directly affecting him, but just his people, why would he truly care? its not like a dark lord of the sith would really have compassion for a bunch of people that he rules over), for all we know he may have even gained thrills from all the fighting, and just watched over his militia versus the beast riders as some sort of entertainment. we dont know for sure, so its best to just ignore such vague info

I think he kicked the beast riders ass and influenced iziz but ironic he couldnt fend them off as the NEC stated

already been dealt with

Force storm lightning and force storm worm hole are completely different techniques

not, theyre essentially the same technique in the sense that they unleash storms of lethal force energy, the only difference is the way the storms were produced

and sidious force storm is powerful enough to red the fabrics of space and tear open a worm hole which is the most destructive thing in the universe save for a black hole and super nova. My point stands

sure, thats true, and in direct power sidious' force storms do appear to be the more powerful variant, but you also have to consider scale. its never been proven that sidious' force storms would ever come close to affecting an entire world, the most damage they ever produce was the destruction of an entire fleet, whereas the force storm produced by the bod was capable of wiping out the whole of ruusan

the point i was making was that attacks that are seemingly impossible to defend against and unstoppable can be defended against with even simple defencive applications of the force. theres a defence for every attack, its all dependant on the strength of the wielder of the attack, which was why i brought up how zannah defended against such an attack

It depends really, Sidious took a few mere seconds to generate a force storm to destroy the rebel fleet. Nadds force storm is unknown but even if he did generate it, if vader attempts to attack him in the process both will get annihilated because even sidious could not fully control his storms

fair enough, just checking to see your stance

You were saying zannah defended agaisnt a force storm lightning, i just pointed out that its the wormhole im talking about, not the lightning, Sorry but i cant really comprehend what you are saying on this one

my point is essentially that there are defences against any attack, and its all dependant on the strength of the fighters involved

Hmm ok not simple then but the fact i was trying to point out is that id didnt shake the whole temple at once but rather its foundations

all cool then

Then lets drop this one
I do 😄 but lets drop this down

officially dropped down

Alright 🙂 but ill admit its great to have a friendly debate with you

As for darth sith ill get back to you later

agreed

Originally posted by IOU

well jedi dont necessarily have to be willing to perform the technique just because they know it

clearly the jedi knew how the perform the technique (as it is a jedi power), but obviously would never go to the lengths of actually performing it mainly due to how destructive it is (and jedi aim to be as least destructive as possible) and the fact that they would know better than to execute such a dark power which could possibly turn them over to the darkside

Originally posted by IOU

i dont recall sidious having taken the power to the next level, in fact the descriptions inside the darkside compendium and the totj companion are near identical, however if darth sexy has a point, im certainly willing to hear him out

Originally posted by IOU

and while its true that we dont know exactly how great nadds execution of the power is, the technique itself is extremely destructive in nature, and with it comes great power, no matter how powerful you are, going by the descriptions in the totj companion

Originally posted by IOU

its likely you need to be extremely powerful to even come close to executing such a power anyways, let alone controlling it

Originally posted by IOU

he stated it to arca jeth actually, so he really wouldnt have had any reason to lie, i mean really, what good would boasting about how powerful he was when he was alive do, its not like he would really have reason to impress anyone. plus theres also the fact that we already know that spirits weaken over time, for example exar kun who by his own admission needed to gain power from force users and power sources to become even close to as powerful as he was when he was alive, so its not just nadds word that were relying on here, so its pretty clear that he was indeed much more powerful when he was alive

Originally posted by IOU

sure, spirits arent bound to one place, so what? that doest change the fact that nadd did target and then attack vodo from lightyears away,

Originally posted by IOU

which makes it all the more impressive given that the further away a force user is from his opponent, the harder it is to overpower them with the force, and the greater the required power would need to be. its likely if nadd was actually anywhere near vodo when he pulled off the attack, he may have even been able to instakill him or something, and thats his fricking 'powerless' 400 year old spirit. thats truly how powerful nadd was

Originally posted by IOU

no, thats not what it actually says, ur probably mixing up sources, all that the nec states on the matter is that with his knowledge of sith magic, freedon nadd easily made himself leader among the people

then you have kotor2 claiming that he did it by use of his short lightsaber and short blaster (so clearly to some degree through brute force), and the darkside sourcebook claiming that he did it with the darkside and sith magic, so its definite that pure martial might had to have been used to some degree, and likely to the highest

Originally posted by IOU

no, thats cool, i have the nec, and it does indeed say that, but what you have to remember is that the nec is written by an in-universe narrator, meaning its subject to being inaccurate

And to add on to that dan wallace confirmed with lightsnake and janus that what he wrote in there is very accurate and canon, Like ROTS sidious being the most powerful for example

Originally posted by IOU

sure, he displays some pretty accurate knowledge throughout the book, and thus most of it can be treated as being accurate, however when he says something like that, he cant possibly know for sure whether the true upper limit of nadds power was insufficient in stopping the beast riders (only nadd would know that), so its asinine to treat that part of the nec as fact

Originally posted by IOU

its likely nadd, as king, really wouldnt have cared too much about the beast riders (i mean really, as long as they werent directly affecting him, but just his people, why would he truly care? its not like a dark lord of the sith would really have compassion for a bunch of people that he rules over), for all we know he may have even gained thrills from all the fighting, and just watched over his militia versus the beast riders as some sort of entertainment. we dont know for sure, so its best to just ignore such vague info

Originally posted by IOU

not, theyre essentially the same technique in the sense that they unleash storms of lethal force energy, the only difference is the way the storms were produced

Originally posted by IOU

sure, thats true, and in direct power sidious' force storms do appear to be the more powerful variant, but you also have to consider scale. its never been proven that sidious' force storms would ever come close to affecting an entire world, the most damage they ever produce was the destruction of an entire fleet, whereas the force storm produced by the bod was capable of wiping out the whole of ruusan

Bane needed the combined effort of so many other sith lords to even generate the lightning he did while sidious on the other hand could do his variant alone

Banes force lightning only destroyed part of the surface while sidious force storm ravaged the surface of coruscant and annihilated a 17.5 km ship in mere seconds.

The degree to the power of sidious force storm is that it rended the fabrics of space, something which is nearly impossible to do and if banes force storm was really more powerful, sidious would have rather used that technique

Originally posted by IOU

the point i was making was that attacks that are seemingly impossible to defend against and unstoppable can be defended against with even simple defencive applications of the force. theres a defence for every attack, its all dependant on the strength of the wielder of the attack, which was why i brought up how zannah defended against such an attack

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strength in the force is ambiguous

sometimes its used to describe potential, other times its used to describe ones current level of power

its not a stretch to assume that palpatine may have been speaking in regards to his rather large increase in knowledge, something that from a certain perspective would make him stronger with the force

The singular, time-tried defense against arguments involving Palpatine: "it's ambiguiz!"

Unfortunately for you, this isn't the case. You'd have to prove the ambiguity of the statement (which you can't). Palpatine specifically said that his "strength in the Force" increased, as did Luke's. Potential, in this case, was not increased, and therefore - if we use basic common sense - we conclude that it was his current level of power. You claim otherwise and claim ambiguity. Prove it.

The singular, time-tried defense against arguments involving Palpatine: "it's ambiguiz!"

your point? in this case, what were essentially getting down to is ambiguous, so until you can counter that, quit your whining

You'd have to prove the ambiguity of the statement (which you can't).

oh my, i feel like im talking to some retard thats had 1 lesson of argumentation and thinks hes the shit

please dont be dense gideon, you were the one who originally came up with the claim - that sidious was 100% referring to his actual power level, specifically. its up to you to prove up on that claim, and uve failed to do so.

heres basically what were getting down to:

your argument - palpatine grew more powerful in the force by de

your premise (only premise might i add) - palpatine tells luke that he has grown stronger in the force

my counter - strength in the force is ambiguous (with lengthy explanation), thus your 1 and only premise is not absolute in arriving at your conclusion

your counter - asking me to prove that your premise definitely doesnt arrive at your conclusion

do you not see the error of your ways? its up to you to 100% provide a valid argument, you cant back up one of your premises with a negative proof fallacy you idiot. im not saying that ur definitely wrong, just that you havent provided sufficient proof

Palpatine specifically said that his "strength in the Force" increased, as did Luke's. Potential, in this case, was not increased, and therefore - if we use basic common sense - we conclude that it was his current level of power.

wow, clearly the point flew way over your head
i wasnt saying that potential and current power level are the only ideas that can be drawn from such a statement, but just that its used so many times in so many different ways in different contexts for there ever to be a fixed meaning, thus its best to accept that it can translate into anything related with strength where the force is concerned, including knowledge of the force specialised in making one a far stronger adversary from a combat scenario.

You claim otherwise and claim ambiguity. Prove it.

already dealt with above
however seeing as your having trouble with accepting my counter, ill given you another: prove that palpatine was without a doubt telling the truth to luke when he said that. we both know that he was trying to force luke into feeling that there was only one option that he could take: become his apprentice, and we know that sidious was trying to make the situation seem as dire as possible, so giving the impression that he was stronger than his younger self that was benchpressed down a reactor shaft like a b1tch by a retarded droid would surely give that impression dont you think? so there you go, theres another counter youve to prove wrong, chop chop gideon

Originally posted by IOU
your point? in this case, what were essentially getting down to is ambiguous, so until you can counter that, quit your whining

oh my, i feel like im talking to some retard thats had 1 lesson of argumentation and thinks hes the shit

please dont be dense gideon, you were the one who originally came up with the claim - that sidious was 100% referring to his actual power level, specifically. its up to you to prove up on that claim, and uve failed to do so.

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your argument - palpatine grew more powerful in the force by de

your premise (only premise might i add) - palpatine tells luke that he has grown stronger in the force

my counter - strength in the force is ambiguous (with lengthy explanation), thus your 1 and only premise is not absolute in arriving at your conclusion

do you not see the error of your ways? its up to you to 100% provide a valid argument, you cant back up one of your premises with a negative proof fallacy you idiot. im not saying that ur definitely wrong, just that you havent provided sufficient proof

already dealt with above
however seeing as your having trouble with accepting my counter, ill given you another: prove that palpatine was without a doubt telling the truth to luke when he said that. we both know that he was trying to force luke into feeling that there was only one option that he could take: become his apprentice, and we know that sidious was trying to make the situation seem as dire as possible, so giving the impression that he was stronger than his younger self that was benchpressed down a reactor shaft like a b1tch by a retarded droid would surely give that impression dont you think? so there you go, theres another counter youve to prove wrong, chop chop gideon [/B]

Thanks, DS. Really, IOU, I have made my case quite clearly and succinctly. Palpatine did not make any reference to "knowledge", but strength.

Edit: By the way, you asked me to 'prove' that Palpatine was speaking on a 'technical level' when he told Luke he was stronger in the Force. I offered a direct, complete, and straight-forward statement and you asked me to prove it. For me to do that, you have to bring the validity of the quote into question. You haven't adequently done so. I don't have to prove shit.

Except for the fact that it's NOT ambiguous, because all of the quotes are there, and all of the evidence supporting the quotes are there. No, Palpatine being the strongest of all the sith is more like a definite.

wow, clearly you as well as gideon are a member of retards anonymous, because u clearly dont know what the fvck your talking about

i never contested that palpatine is the strongest sith of all, know what the fvck your talking about dipsh1t

Except Escape one of the best debaters on this forum, while you're some idiotic pseudointellectual.

and your the dumbass who argues the same stance that i am on this topic, and blow so bad at debating that im starting to actually question my opinion

Lets see, Palpatine coming back as a clone from Korriban,

and this has.. what to do with purely his power level?

and being younger.

and this has.. what to do with purely his power level?

Palpatine learning to create force storms

and this has.. what to do with purely his power level?

and infusing non force sensitives with force abilities.

and this has.. what to do with purely his power level?

Doesn't look like he picked up these powers before he died.

wow, way to destroy the very point you were arguing dumbass. knowing more powers doesnt have any relation whatsoever on his actual power level, just his knowledge

Dark Empire represents pretty much the most powerful incarnation of Sidious, if not a full potential Sidious.

no, dark empire sidious represents a sidious with the greatest number of techniques in his arsenal that hes ever had, in a clone body, thats it, hes no more powerful than his past incarnations

What the hell do you mean strength in the force is ambiguous. It's far from ambiguous you twit. Luke's strength in the force increased from ESB to ROTJ, and it was obvious. Anakin's power DOUBLED from the time of AOTC by ROTS. There's nothing ambiguous about strength in the force because all the facts are there, and you're wrong again.

do u even know what ambiguous means detective dipsh1t?
it means more that one meaning, and the term 'strength in the force' is constantly used with different meanings in different contexts.

for example, in the nec, its said that anakin (TPM) was immeasurably strong in the force. clearly, its speaking in respect to potential here, as tpm anakin would get shitted on by any jedi in a force fight at this stage

yet in pod, its stated that githany believed that banes strength in the force was growing stronger day by day
potential isnt something that changes, its fixed, thus the meaning here would be current level of power

ergo, the term is ambiguous. its a wonderful word isnt it?

Yet you haven't provided proof that there was a more powerful version of Sidious other than DE.

actually i all but made it absolute that he would have realistically reached his full potential far before even the OT times. not my fault you have troubled reading

Escape has provided the proof along with facts(the comics), along with logical deduction.

no he hasnt, all he provided was a flawed piece of dialogue

What I'm wondering is, if you're constantly claiming its 100% on Escape to provide an argument, why are you wasting our time and yours with your ridiculous "counter"?

what the fvck? you make absolutely no sense, the counter was made to prove gideon wrong, its something that happens in debates dipshit

I bet that one flew over your head. And CLEARLY Luke improved dramatically by the time of DE, as did Sidious. Neither one of them were capable of doing what they did in DE, earlier.

again, you cant seem to differentiate knowledge and power
grow a brain you fvcking retard

Not to mention it's ridiculous to think Sidious was stagnant in the force, when all he did was learn the secrets of it, his entire life, every waking moment.

dude, if your just going to choose to ignore arguments that have already been made, i really dont see why i should be wasting my time with you

it seems u dont actually know what your talking about, dont really even have a point to make, yet just chose to join in so you could stick up for your boyfriend gideon

seriously man, take a few lessons in debate, and then think you can go up against me in an argument. until then, continue nutting off to revan darth std

Thanks, DS.

wow, you two really are quite a cute couple, its really adorable

Really, IOU, I have made my case quite clearly and succinctly. Palpatine did not make any reference to "knowledge", but strength.

i forgot you take everything absolutely literally. oh well

Edit: By the way, you asked me to 'prove' that Palpatine was speaking on a 'technical level' when he told Luke he was stronger in the Force. I offered a direct, complete, and straight-forward statement and you asked me to prove it. For me to do that, you have to bring the validity of the quote into question. You haven't adequently done so. I don't have to prove shit.

yes i did, explaining how the term has no fixed meaning is bringing the validity of the quote into question, not my fault your dumb

wow, you two really are quite a cute couple, its really adorable

Oh, yes, of course. I thank him for saving me six minutes of wasted time, and suddenly, we're in a relationship. Quaint. I could say the same thing about you and your hand, because it's likely the only thing that'll go near you.

i forgot you take everything absolutely literally. oh well

No, but you'd need to provide some sort of evidence for me to not take it literal.

yes i did, explaining how the term has no fixed meaning is bringing the validity of the quote into question, not my fault your dumb

Simply saying "itz ambiguz!" doesn't make it so, IOU. You have to provide proof. You have not done so.

Edit: By the way, it's spelled "you're". A contraction for 'you are'. Don't accuse someone else of being stupid if you're going to make a blatant error yourself.

Originally posted by IOU
wow, clearly you as well as gideon are a member of retards anonymous, because u clearly dont know what the fvck your talking about

i never contested that palpatine is the strongest sith of all, know what the fvck your talking about dipsh1t

and your the dumbass who argues the same stance that i am on this topic, and blow so bad at debating that im starting to actually question my opinion

wow, way to destroy the very point you were arguing dumbass. knowing more powers doesnt have any relation whatsoever on his actual power level, just his knowledge

no, dark empire sidious represents a sidious with the greatest number of techniques in his arsenal that hes ever had, in a clone body, thats it, hes no more powerful than his past incarnations

do u even know what ambiguous means detective dipsh1t?
it means more that one meaning, and the term 'strength in the force' is constantly used with different meanings in different contexts.

yet in pod, its stated that githany believed that banes strength in the force was growing stronger day by day
potential isnt something that changes, its fixed, thus the meaning here would be current level of power

actually i all but made it absolute that he would have realistically reached his full potential far before even the OT times. not my fault you have troubled reading

no he hasnt, all he provided was a flawed piece of dialogue

what the fvck? you make absolutely no sense, the counter was made to prove gideon wrong, its something that happens in debates dipshit

again, you cant seem to differentiate knowledge and power
grow a brain you fvcking retard

dude, if your just going to choose to ignore arguments that have already been made, i really dont see why i should be wasting my time with you

it seems u dont actually know what your talking about, dont really even have a point to make, yet just chose to join in so you could stick up for your boyfriend gideon

seriously man, take a few lessons in debate, and then think you can go up against me in an argument. until then, continue nutting off to revan darth std [/B]

Ok NOobaris #2. Yet another moron who thinks he can debate. Try winning one for a change and someone here will take you seriously.

Ok, I have to ask: the word dumbass it's the latest mania or it's just a friendly way to say hi?

Oh, yes, of course. I thank him for saving me six minutes of wasted time, and suddenly, we're in a relationship. Quaint. I could say the same thing about you and your hand, because it's likely the only thing that'll go near you.

dishing out blatantly copied insults from the television? come on now, we arent that desperate are we gideon?

No, but you'd need to provide some sort of evidence for me to not take it literal.

i already have, its not my fault that you and your gay partner love to ignore well made arguments

Simply saying "itz ambiguz!" doesn't make it so, IOU. You have to provide proof. You have not done so.

yes i have you fricking retard

Edit: By the way, it's spelled "you're". A contraction for 'you are'.

oh no, my spellingz didnt work, what am i gonna do?

Don't accuse someone else of being stupid if you're going to make a blatant error yourself.

heres the difference: i call u dumb because i spot flaws in your logic and reasoning

you trying to compare that with fricking errors in grammar further reinforces what ive been saying. newsflash: i really dont give a sh1t what people on an internet forum think of my written english here, im not here to impress people with my 1337 english language skillz, so that has nothing to do with my intelligence (not that grammar ever does, education =/= intelligence). so, to recap, your dumb because you argue like a retard, i dont give a fvck how people perceive my written english, ergo im not lame like you and the majority of the people on this forum. now werent you trying to make a point about me lacking somewhere in intelligence? well done there buddy *claps* 👆

Originally posted by IOU
dishing out blatantly copied insults from the television? come on now, we arent that desperate are we gideon?

i already have, its not my fault that you and your gay partner love to ignore well made arguments

yes i have you fricking retard

oh no, my spellingz didnt work, what am i gonna do?

heres the difference: i call u dumb because i spot flaws in your logic and reasoning

you trying to compare that with fricking errors in grammar further reinforces what ive been saying. newsflash: i really dont give a sh1t what people on an internet forum think of my written english here, im not here to impress people with my 1337 english language skillz, so that has nothing to do with my intelligence (not that grammar ever does, education =/= intelligence). so, to recap, your dumb because you argue like a retard, i dont give a fvck how people perceive my written english, ergo im not lame like you and the majority of the people on this forum. now werent you trying to make a point about me lacking somewhere in intelligence? well done there buddy *claps* 👆

Man, you new kids get dumber and dumber

Spare me your indignant lather, homo. As of now you're embarassing yourself on an internet forum. My, your life must suck.

oh no, im an embarrassment on the interweb, my life truly does suck

boo hoo. boo hoo hoo. I really care

you clearly do considering you bothered sticking up for your fvck buddy gideon

For someone who can't debate for shit, nor spell words correctly, you lack any kind of credibility to tell me whether I can debate or not. And since Escape and myself have common sense and you've proven to not have any, looks like you're at zero again.

except its not just me, from what ive seen virtually everyone here thinks u cant debate for sh1t. guess what? theyre right

Knowledge=power dumbass.

wow, i didnt realise you could get this dumb
knowledge of techniques is simply what enables you to unleash your power in different forms
to actually think theyre the same thing is some of the dumbest shit ive yet to here on this forum

Jacen Solo wasn't anything special until he went on a 5 year sabbatical to learn the most arcane force techniques in the galaxy. With his vast knowledge surpassing anyone in the SW Universe, he became exponentially more powerful,

ok, now i see how your confused, i forgot that you were actually a retard for one second, my bad man

as your boyfriend was saying earlier, knowledge helps refine potential power, and it also gives you greater options in unleashing your power theyre not actually the same thing you dumbass

jacen solo, who before his 5 year journey was still pretty young and far from his full potential would of course be able to go through such a major power surge with such great and diverse knowledge, thats why he was so much more powerful after the journey, because his studies with a bunch of different force sensitive races made him much more closer to his full potential, and gave him a huge variety of techniques that he could use his power in the force with

probably going above and beyond his potential.

oh my there really is no limit to your stupidity, is there? what you just said makes no sense, you cant go beyond your potential, your full potential is your upper limit

You are clearly stupid, but that's neither here nor there. You are trying to argue that Sidious, who spent almost every waking moment studying the force(like his mystic mentor Plagueis), but when he went into his clone body and consolidated his forces for 6 years, he didn't do anything? Try again dumbass. Nothing remotely suggests that he knew those techniques he used in DE, in ROTS or before..

oh my fricking god how can you still not know what the discussion is about

are you seriously this dumb or is this some sort of practical joke on the internet?

ive already made it clear that i believe that de sidious would likely take his past incarnations in a versus battle, and ive already made it clear that i know that de sidious possesses much more knowledge than his past incarnations, however that doesnt mean that hes actually technically more powerful than his earlier incarnations

however seeing as you cant tell the difference between knowledge and power i can see why u dont get this

Except it's not ambiguous, you're just stupid.

yes it is you fricking fool, ask anyone that isnt a total retard
however clearly u dont even know the meaning of the word, [ulr=dictionary.com]the dictionary[/ulr] is your [only] friend

You're talking about what Githany THINKS, meaning absolutely nothing. She was a padawan, what the hell does she know?

i really dont know why im wasting my time with you, i dont think you actually understand how dumb you really are

now listen retard, githanys lack of rank or experience or power as a force user would in no way interfere with her basic understanding of terms used in the sw universe

fact is, such a term as 'strength in the force' was used by someone in a different context as to how it was in the other example i gave, and the meaning changed, ergo its ambiguous, get over it

I thought potential was fixed but thats a whole different debate. Take a look at Jacen Solo, who I highly doubt was even supposed to rival Luke, but look at him now.

thats a fvcking example of author inconsistencies you fricking moron, completely unrelated to the actual story, potential isnt something that naturally changes, its completely fixed and can only be altered through unnatural means a la kyle katarn

u seriously need to grow a brain

You have no idea what you're talking about so keep going.

man, your fingers must truly hate your brain for forcing them to come out with this sh1t. i feel sorry for them.

It's not flawed dumbass. The context is clear. It's not my fault your reading comprehension and thinking skills are lacking.

yes it is, its not my fault your a ****ing retard

Doesn't look like you're doing anything but failing to counter his argument.

repair your taped up glasses then, b1tch

Sure thing captain incompetent

man, your keyboard must truly hate your fingers for forcing it to type this shit. i feel sorry for it

Then stop embarassing me by continuously probing that what I post is bullshit.

well if you care that much about it...

One person embarassed you, I can do the same.

please dont, i care too much about my kmc reputationz ting

Ok NOobaris #2. Yet another moron who thinks he can debate. Try winning one for a change and someone here will take you seriously.

your actually calling me a n00b? clearly your really are quite the typical lameass internet lifer, looks like my suspicions were correct

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Man, you new kids get dumber and dumber

and you old kids are as lame as ever

that's nice. Let me know when you come up with an argument, instead of wasting everyone's time with your stupidity.

dishing out blatantly copied insults from the television? come on now, we arent that desperate are we gideon?

I wouldn't know; some of us [namely me] have more to our lives than sitting on the couch and channel surfing all night, or sitting on the computer chair and insult people's intelligence (while not spelling correctly). Hell, didn't you send me a PM called "cat got your tongue", wondering why I haven't responded?

Newsflash: people have lives. That's right! At least the normal ones whom people care about. Guess you don't have that special someone who actually considers you worth some attention. Is that why you come here?

i already have, its not my fault that you and your gay partner love to ignore well made arguments

We can't ignore what we make. What we do ignore is half-assed opinions supported by zero (that's this number '0'😉 evidence.

yes i have you fricking retard

Now that was convincing.

oh no, my spellingz didnt work, what am i gonna do?

...Well, I'd personally start with not insulting someone's intelligence and then not screwing up a simple contraction. "You're" must be really hard to spell these days.

heres the difference: i call u dumb because i spot flaws in your logic and reasoning

If you see flaws, you're hallucinating. You've managed to do nothing but, oh yes, try to insult me. And you can't even do that without making yourself look like an ass.

you trying to compare that with fricking errors in grammar further reinforces what ive been saying.

No, I'm debunking your argument and correcting your grammar. It's like double jeopardy, I guess.

newsflash: i really dont give a sh1t what people on an internet forum think of my written english here,

Oh, of course not. Not when it's the source of your embarrassment.

im not here to impress people with my 1337 english language skillz, so that has nothing to do with my intelligence (not that grammar ever does, education =/= intelligence).

Well, here's an idea!

Why don't you click the little 'x' on the top right part of this screen, shut down the computer, get off your lazy ass and go to school? Well, if you don't like stringent movement, we could minimize it and you could read a book. Maybe a dictionary? Or do you not have books where you live? They're pages with words inside, bound together for enjoyment.

Do you know what a page is? I have to presume not, since you apparently don't leave the computer all day. Pages are pieces of paper. Paper is substance taken from trees. I hope you know what trees are.

so, to recap, your dumb because you argue like a retard,

Right, 'cuz so many people agree with that consensus. Logically? You're an uneducated, lazy hick who simply doesn't like that he's getting his virtual ass kicked in an online debate, and you throw a temper tantrum.

i dont give a fvck how people perceive my written english ergo im not lame like you and the majority of the people on this forum.

When you feel inferior compared to someone, do you always call them 'lame'? It's okay; you'll feel inferior at times in life. The key is to get out of this depression (and off your lazy ass), accept that you're pretty much a deadbeat with no life, and with that clarity - make something of your currently-useless life.

now werent you trying to make a point about me lacking somewhere in intelligence? well done there buddy *claps*

Yes, and I believe I did one hell of a job on it.

You wanna debate? Debate. You wanna insult? Find someone who it impresses. I'll be here when you want to continue the argument.

I wouldn't know; some of us [namely me] have more to our lives than sitting on the couch and channel surfing all night,

sure you wouldnt, its not like you copied it from the television (where its been used about a mazillion times with the exact same wording), you actually coincidentally thought it all up by yourself, didnt you big guy? 🙄

i think im understanding a bit better why you and darth sexy get along oh so well

or sitting on the computer chair and insult people's intelligence (while not spelling correctly).

😆 😆

dude, give it up already, dont you realise how dumb and lame your coming across with this sh1t?

my spelling mistakes = me not giving a **** about how i appear on the internet

your flaws in logic and reasoning = you being a dumbass retard

but really, carry on pointing out all my spelling mistakes there you wanabee grammer nazi b1tch (ooh, lookie, theres another one)

Hell, didn't you send me a PM called "cat got your tongue", wondering why I haven't responded?

perhaps because you jumped on one of my posts acting as if you were some sort of debating god (like you do with virtually everyone here), referred to my post as sh1t and then claimed that you would deal with it when you got back from wherever the hell you were going, and then failed to do so

hell, could that be the reason?

Newsflash: people have lives. That's right! At least the normal ones whom people care about. Guess you don't have that special someone who actually considers you worth some attention. Is that why you come here?

thats great, falling back on the 'lolz I h4S A 1iF3' excuse, too bad we can review your posts and see that thats all it is: an excuse

heres exactly what you said actually:

Welcome to the world of debating. When I get back, we'll deal with the other shit you posted. Have fun.

then your back the next day, you take the time out of your oh so busy life to reply to some bs in another forum, and continue to do the same in other threads and ignore what you had promised to deal with (clearly because you couldnt), until i remind you via pm, and you again ignore what you had promised to deal with and try really hard to counter the one thing you were still replying to, and fail. so please, dont try to act as if your life was simply way too busy to deal with my post, because its clear it wasnt, and its clear that you couldnt, and still cant

We can't ignore what we make. What we do ignore is half-assed opinions supported by zero (that's this number '0'😉 evidence.

yeah, this would be so much more convincing if you actually had countered what youve been ignoring this whole time

Now that was convincing.

just like your 'i have a life' excuses. oh wait...

...Well, I'd personally start with not insulting someone's intelligence and then not screwing up a simple contraction. "You're" must be really hard to spell these days.

and id personally not label anothers post as sh1t when you try yet fail to counter said shit 3 times in a row

how about this gideon, ill improve my speling (oh my, theres another one) once you stop debating like a retard

If you see flaws, you're hallucinating. You've managed to do nothing but, oh yes, try to insult me. And you can't even do that without making yourself look like an ass.

sure, its not like i pointed out how the only premise of your argument was reliant on a negative proof fallacy (which you still havent replied to by the way), and its not like i pointed out how you clearly believe english language skillz > intelligence and common sense, and its not like i pointed out how virtually every one of your rebuttals that actually makes sense is entirely irrelevant and not addressing the point i was making

sure, i havent done any of that 🙄

btw id suggest sticking to the copied insults, your really not very creative with your own

No, I'm debunking your argument and correcting your grammar. It's like double jeopardy, I guess.

too bad what you say =/= fact

Oh, of course not. Not when it's the source of your embarrassment.

'btw id suggest sticking to the copied insults, your really not very creative with your own'

Well, here's an idea!

Why don't you click the little 'x' on the top right part of this screen, shut down the computer, get off your lazy ass and go to school? Well, if you don't like stringent movement, we could minimize it and you could read a book. Maybe a dictionary? Or do you not have books where you live? They're pages with words inside, bound together for enjoyment.

Do you know what a page is? I have to presume not, since you apparently don't leave the computer all day. Pages are pieces of paper. Paper is substance taken from trees. I hope you know what trees are.

lmao, i actually found that comment hilarious, considering you

a) have far more posts on an internet forum than i do as well as a far greater number of average posts per day

b) spend likely about ten times as long as i do with each post making sure your grammer is perfect so you can impress your internet bumchums

c) are a 16 year old loser who cares so much about his internet reputation that you copy insults from the television to try and seem somewhat witty

seriously man, that comment pretty much sums up everything you say: bullshit with no backing

Right, 'cuz so many people agree with that consensus. Logically? You're an uneducated, lazy hick who simply doesn't like that he's getting his virtual ass kicked in an online debate, and you throw a temper tantrum.

the fact that the majority of the people here believe that your fvck buddy darth sexy is one of the best debaters says everything about their judgement, really

but carry one with your appeal to majority, its really impressive that you can actually repeat fallacy after fallacy

When you feel inferior compared to someone, do you always call them 'lame'? It's okay; you'll feel inferior at times in life. The key is to get out of this depression (and off your lazy ass), accept that you're pretty much a deadbeat with no life, and with that clarity - make something of your currently-useless life.

refer to what i was saying above, your not a very creative man, but whatever, how about giving your internet buddies a virtual high five with that one, im sure this kind of sh1t impresses all the retards here

Yes, and I believe I did one hell of a job on it.

You wanna debate? Debate. You wanna insult? Find someone who it impresses. I'll be here when you want to continue the argument

again, when you actually manage to counter anything i say rather than ignoring it your all talk bs will be taken more seriously. until then, get a life, get laid, make some friends in the real world and realise that real life reputation >>>> internet reputation

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
that's nice. Let me know when you come up with an argument, instead of wasting everyone's time with your stupidity.

let me know when you grow a d1ck, b1tch

good one homo, done embarassing yourself?