Exar Kun versus Mace Windu

Originally posted by Gideon
There would be no "no point" in that argument if your assessment of Dooku's lightsaber skills in comparison to Palpatine's own was correct. That has yet to be proven. In fact, I'd like to see it proven.

Count Dooku wasn't able to defeat or outduel a distracted, emotionally conflicted Yoda on a planet [B]steeped in the dark side of the Force, where his powers would be at their apex, and Yoda's would likely be stifled.

...And you're saying that Darth "I-Haven't-Dueled-In-Thirteen-Years-And-Managed-To-Pwn-Three-Of-The-Order's-Finest-In-Seconds" Sidious is weaker than that?

In fact, let's analyze that scenario: Palpatine was outnumbered, four to one. All four of his opponents were heralded as among the finest in the Order's history and boasted a lifetime of rigorous training and sparring coupled with three years of active war duty.

What about Palpatine? He... ah... plotted and manipulated for thirteen years, had his lightsaber buried in a statue, and admittedly did not spar with Dooku [LoE].

Yet he pwned three of 'em in less than half a minute whilst going blade-to-blade with Windu himself, and then forcing Mace on the defensive.

Now, analyze the other situation: He was confronted by Yoda in his office and gave him one hell of a duel with a lightsaber. This isn't a half-distracted or emotionally torn Yoda, either. It's a Yoda who is hellbent on skull****ing Sidious and pissing on his robed, dead corpse.

If Dooku > Sidious in swordsmanship, that would imply that Yoda is quite a ways above Sidious in swordsmanship (which wasn't the case) and would also mean that Yoda is superior to Sidious instead of his equal (which you've preached prior).

...Yet, as we've seen, Yoda isn't superior to Sidious. He's equal. Which means that Sidious > Dooku. [/B]

No, I agree with it. I wasn't thinking about all of that. Or any of it to be honest. However, how can you judge if Yoda and Sidious are equals in saber combat? The details of what happened are unknown as far as I recall, with Sidious somehow losing his saber(maybe by Yoda's doing).

I said that they were equals. Not necessarily in lightsaber combat. Because Palpatine's intellect makes up for any disparity between him and Yoda.

My point is that it is very possible that DOoku could have been equal to, or greater than Sidious in saber combat.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
My point is that it is very possible that DOoku could have been equal to, or greater than Sidious in saber combat.

WTF...

No, I agree with it. I wasn't thinking about all of that. Or any of it to be honest.

^^ You just posted that... and I've already explained... Dooku is not greater or equal to Sidious in saber combat.

I;'m sorry...'You have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with Palpatine."

Did Dooku legally change his name?

Compete with Palpatine how? In the force? With a saber? Does that include Dooku? I doubt it, why would Lucas state a sith would compete with another sith. What does that even mean?

He learned Naga Sadow's throwaway knowledge, WOWEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Naga Sadow could blow up a star with his ship, WOWEEEE!!!!!

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Originally posted by Darth Sexy
My point is that it is very possible that DOoku could have been equal to, or greater than Sidious in saber combat.

WTF...

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Yea Naga Sadow's throwaway knowledge that made him the most powerul person in the galaxy. Naga Sadow's throwaway knowledge that wtfpwned Luke, where there was no defense. Stupid PT fanboys.

Yeah, because Luke had so much time with Yoda and Palpatine to learn how to defend against long dead Sith spirits double teaming you while you're unprepared. Wait-whoops!

Yep, it was Naga's throwaway knowledge.

And in case your brain isn't totally soft: 'Compete with Palpatine.' As in 'be able to stand a chance against him' as in 'fight him'...ow did Mace fight him? Saber. How did Palpatine kill the other three masters? Saber.

Dooku cannot fight Palpatine. Saber or force or otherwise. Sorry

Originally posted by Lightsnake
[B]Yeah, because Luke had so much time with Yoda and Palpatine to learn how to defend against long dead Sith spirits double teaming you while you're unprepared. Wait-whoops!

Yep, it was Naga's throwaway knowledge.

Really, DS. If you think Dooku is equal or superior to Palpatine in swordsmanship, quit dodging the issue, come out, tell us, and we'll debate it.

'Died with Kun?' Oh, I'm sorry, where do you get this from? Last I checked, the Sith came back in 40 years, armed with power from the Ancient Sith Empire as well.

And there isn't a chance there's 'no defense' for what he did to Luke since Kueller tries pretty much the same thing in the New Rebellion.

And yeah, he tried to force choke Luke's students- and was beaten there by Streen. Well, that's one great Sith Lord, yesiree

Originally posted by Gideon
Really, DS. If you think Dooku is equal or superior to Palpatine in swordsmanship, quit dodging the issue, come out, tell us, and we'll debate it.

I really don't but when I think about it without thinking about the sources, I think it's possible.. Probably not I haven't really thought about it.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Died with Kun?' Oh, I'm sorry, where do you get this from? Last I checked, the Sith came back in 40 years, armed with power from the Ancient Sith Empire as well.

And there isn't a chance there's 'no defense' for what he did to Luke since Kueller tries pretty much the same thing in the New Rebellion.

And yeah, he tried to force choke Luke's students- and was beaten there by Streen. Well, that's one great Sith Lord, yesiree [/B]

Omg a 4,000 year old force spirit wtfpwned 20+ jedi at the same time, he's totally a POS!! Really lightsnake, learn to argue with some common sense, not your stupid pt fanboyism. It usually diminishes your arguments.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I really don't but when I think about it without thinking about the sources, I think it's possible.. Probably not I haven't really thought about it.

It makes sense for the ignorant to deduce that, but it just doesn't make sense otherwise. Palpatine is better than Dooku in all aspects.

Yes, DS, I did miss the source that states sith magic died with Kun, but I'd love to hear you tell it to me.

Kueller also attacks Luke that is designed to separate him from his body as a disembodied spirit that is apparently a sith attack. How many of these can there be, boys and girls?

And in case you missed it, Kun was bested by a Padawan with a few months of training when he attempted to force choke.
OMG so powerful

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yes, DS, I did miss the source that states sith magic died with Kun, but I'd love to hear you tell it to me.

Kueller also attacks Luke that is designed to separate him from his body as a disembodied spirit that is apparently a sith attack. How many of these can there be, boys and girls?

And in case you missed it, Kun was bested by a Padawan with a few months of training when he attempted to force choke.
OMG so powerful [/B]

Kun was bested by a padawan? Oh you mean as a 4,000 year old spirit, after he fried Gandoris, raised the sun crusher, and force choked 20 students, AS A SPIRIT. Yea he's powerful, and Mace has absolutely nothing on him in force abilities

Escape, I didn't really think about it, just threw it out in the open, i'm not debating it.

Kun and Kyp raised the Sun Crusher, for one, his attempt to force choke the students was circumvented by a Padawan and Gantoris was an angry apprentice. Try again. Unlike the kids, Mace is an experience Jedi Master.

Now, then, Sith magic died with Kunny Kakes? Prove up

Yes, we know your boyfriend shaft was a Jedi Master.. So was Vodo.. So was Odan Urr, who ate ancient sith for breakfast. Shaft doesn't stand a chance against Kun in the force.. As for some sith magic dying with Kun, i'm looking for the source. .Not that I need it or anything since there's no contest between the two when force abilities are involved.