proteus w/reality gem vs house of m wanda

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're better off as my Sock,

than trying to debate. 🙂

Really,this coming from a person who says read comics hehe

Did you read the comic where onslaught and jean fought in the astral plane and you made the remark about onslaught crushing the phoenix force?
where you said you did not read it but made a mistake(lie)

Or the comics where quasar had cosmic awareness for two issues and you claimed he had it blah blah blah for the sake of an argument you squirmed for three pages on? oh another mistake(lie)

Give it up,keep trying to keep your language clean and be a grown up for a change,and you could try and hold back on the arrogance...but i think thats a lost cause

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're better off as my Sock,

than trying to debate. 🙂

When you stop making claims out of your bottom,

I'll reply seriously, when you and the other clueless joe stop posting non-existent gibberish, then have the odacity to try and insult the poster that's presenting real info from Comics, yall are gonna learn we've had enough of that garbage, just like Bran and others are fed up.

"we've had enough lol bran and others lol"

Oh really i think its you who are gonna learn as you have by cleaning up your act heheh,oh i am sure you have plenty of warnings sent to you from fed up moderators, just keep it up i would love to see bran(did he not change his name on here lol) back you up in lies and such it will be entertaining

I fail to see many people who can manipulate reality as well as proteus. Whether they are local or universal, he has never been resisted has he? I dont' have all of his fights, but from what I remember, he could do anything he wanted to. So What's stopping him from tapping the Reality gem and being that much harder to beat? It doesn't matter if wanda resurrected him. The created can be more powerful than the creator with the right circumstances. The fury comes to mind.

Originally posted by starlock
Really,this coming from a person who says read comics hehe

Did you read the comic where onslaught and jean fought in the astral plane and you made the remark about onslaught crushing the phoenix force?
where you said you did not read it but made a mistake(lie)

Or the comics where quasar had cosmic awareness for two issues and you claimed he had it blah blah blah for the sake of an argument you squirmed for three pages on? oh another mistake(lie)

Give it up,keep trying to keep your language clean and be a grown up for a change,and you could try and hold back on the arrogance...but i think thats a lost cause

Typical Gibberish from a Sock.

Those points have been handled.

Originally posted by starlock
"we've had enough lol bran and others lol"

Oh really i think its you who are gonna learn as you have by cleaning up your act heheh,oh i am sure you have plenty of warnings sent to you from fed up moderators, just keep it up i would love to see bran(did he not change his name on here lol) back you up in lies and such it will be entertaining

blahblah

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I fail to see many people who can manipulate reality as well as proteus. Whether they are local or universal, he has never been resisted has he? I dont' have all of his fights, but from what I remember, he could do anything he wanted to. So What's stopping him from tapping the Reality gem and being that much harder to beat?

Wanda FTW in a stomp.

Proteus w/Reality Gem, will never have the scale of power Wanda had, never.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It doesn't matter if wanda resurrected him.
The created can be more powerful than the creator with the right circumstances. The fury comes to mind.

True, but the Fury was not more powerful than it's creator,
the Fury was more indestructible.

Why?

Because his creator was a true "premiere" Reality Warper.
His creator's wish, was for the Fury to be indestructible,
since his creator controlled Reality, his wish became Reality.

His creator should have placed that power upon himself if you ask me.

But in this case,

Wanda did not make Proteus more powerful than herself.

Proteus is a flea next to Wanda.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda FTW in a stomp.

Proteus w/Reality Gem, will never have the scale of power Wanda had, never.

True, but the Fury was not more powerful than it's creator,
the Fury was more indestructible.

Why?

Because his creator was a true "premiere" Reality Warper.
His creator's wish, was for the Fury to be indestructible,
since his creator controlled Reality, his wish became Reality.

His creator should have placed that power upon himself if you ask me.

But in this case,

Wanda did not make Proteus more powerful than herself.

Proteus is a flea next to Wanda.

You are using Proteous on his own. which is dumb. He's got the reality gem. The gem on it's own could match wanda. If not in scope, in control. Wanda is the united states and proteus with the gem is vietnam. Size and scope doesn't matter. He's better at manip than she is and the gem just adds to it. Plus she's a loon.

Scale of power means nothing here,they have to try and engage eachother so whats the point? is this a contest to see who can manipulate more and who can manipulate farther?

Thanos resurected Mar-vell with the reality gem so enough with what wanda can resurect

Can wanda manipulate proteus with the reality gem=no
Proteus would make her cry for her briother,he is a scary manipulator that would have her scared to death, added to his power would be the reality gem and thats where he dominates her

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are using Proteous on his own. which is dumb. He's got the reality gem. The gem on it's own could match wanda. If not in scope, in control.

Well then,

this isn't going anywhere, you're still stuck on mis-info.

Have fun.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wanda is the united states and proteus with the gem is vietnam. Size and scope doesn't matter.

Whatever.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He's better at manip than she is and the gem just adds to it.

If you want to willfully ignore the facts about the Reality Gem, go right ahead.

The debate is pointless now.

It's like you forcing yourself to think the Hulk can fly.

Originally posted by starlock
Scale of power means nothing here,they have to try and engage eachother so whats the point? is this a contest to see who can manipulate more and who can manipulate farther?

Thanos resurected Mar-vell with the reality gem so enough with what wanda can resurect

Can wanda manipulate proteus with the reality gem=no
Proteus would make her cry for her briother,he is a scary manipulator that would have her scared to death, added to his power would be the reality gem and thats where he dominates her

nuts

Have fun,
you two have alot in common.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Correct.

Wanda was sustaining and fueling the Chaos Waves's momentum with her own power subconsciously.

(which means without control)

Can you show me where its stated that Wanda was subconsciously sustaining and fuelling the waves momentum? No talk, just an on panel statement.

The Chaos Wave was leakover of Wandas reality warp through a hole she unknowingly made in the dimensional wall of 616. If Storm filled a dam to its capacity with water then went about her business. If during the process she unknowingly caused a crack in the dams wall and that water spilled out causing chaos to the surroundings, could i then turn around and credibly present as fact, the idea that Storm subconsiously sustained and fueled the momentum of the leaking water if there wasnt a single on panel statement or artistic depiction stating that point? 😕

Originally posted by Mr Master
BUT,

Wanda Remade Earth 616, this Warp cracked a hole in the Walls of Causality,
Wanda's Warp began to spread through the hole and across the 616 Universe,
it soon engulfed the 616 Universe and cracked countless Walls in-between UniverseS,
ultimately collapsing them.

So youre saying Wanda unkowingly cracked a hole in the side of the universe, which lead to the warp leaking out. The leaking warp then doubled back round and also spread out across the 616 universe? 😕

Ummm where did you get this from? On top of that the Chaos Wave was a trans temporal tsunami that went around eroding dimensional walls, causing the universe in the middle to collapse resulting in complete chaos and nonsense within. Where did we see any evidence of a manifestation of this type occurring in 616?

I would of thought that if the Chaos Wave also spread through 616 as you claim then the other heroes would have mentioned it in the main HOM title or any 616 title for that matter. 😖hifty:

Going back to my Storm/Dam analogy, if there was a crack in the dam, why on Earth would the unleashed water be flowing back in the damn and across it? 😬

Wanda created the HOM reality warp on Earth 616 as stated on panel. Thats what she warped to her imagination. The Chaos Wave was a different manifestation altogether and it most certainly did not spread over 616. The Chaos Wave was leakover. The leakover of Wandas warp resulted in a different manifestation to what Wanda had created within 616. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well then,

this isn't going anywhere, you're still stuck on mis-info.

Have fun.

Whatever.

If you want to willfully ignore the facts about the Reality Gem, go right ahead.

The debate is pointless now.

It's like you forcing yourself to think the Hulk can fly.

I'm not willfully ignoring anything. I'm just knowing that Proteous for the purpose of the thread must have knowlege of the gem or be tapping it subconciously to acceptible lvls for there to even be a thread. Or why would the thread starter make a thread where the gem is useless. Reality warp for the win. proteous uses the gem to take wanda's crazyness away. let's see how powerful she is in her right mind? Right. She would lose. She hasn't done anything worthy while she's sane.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Second time Wanda altered Reality, she Warped the 616 Universe according to Beak.

The Third time (no more Mutants) Wanda Remade Reality, she Re-created the entire 616 Universe this time back to it's normalacy, with the small change of eliminating the power of 90% of all the Mutants.

Rubbish. The time Beak was referring to WAS the "No More Mutants" time, NOT this imagined backwards leakage of Wandas reality warp 😂

Lets settle this once and for all people.

Exiles issue 71:

Heather talks about how her systems rebooted and she has figured out who warped “EARTH 616”

She goes into detail on the next page talking of how Wanda warped THE WORLD

In the above scan it talks of how Wanda is about to warp reality again (For the SECOND time according to Heathers readings from her system) You see Beak and Angel caught up in a flash of white light. End of issue.

Exiles issue 72:

The Intro page summarizes previous issues and talks of how Wanda warped EARTH 616 to create HOM and then talks of how at the end of the previous issue (where the previous scans are from) Wanda warped EARTH 616 again (so for the second time)

First page of Exiles 72, let’s see what changes occurred:

Hmmmm. In the SECOND and FINAL change it seems it was just the global “No More Mutants” change after all. What happened to the third mate?!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda is a Universal Power,

but she is also an unwitting Omniversal power,

because she can collpase the Omniverse by excersing her power at a Global level,
which was the scale of her First Warp.

Wanda isn’t a proven universal power. Your theory that Wandas reality warp leaked out of the dimensional hole causing the Chaos Wave and simultaneously leaked back into its origin dimension and across it ( 🤨 ) is ludicrous. It is a fantasy concoted so you can keep selling your deluded hierarchy to all who don’t analyse comics for themselves, all who don't know any better.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Can you show me where its stated that Wanda was subconsciously sustaining and fuelling the waves momentum? No talk, just an on panel statement.

The Chaos Wave was leakover of Wandas reality warp through a hole she unknowingly made in the dimensional wall of 616. If Storm filled a dam to its capacity with water then went about her business. If during the process she unknowingly caused a crack in the dams wall and that water spilled out causing chaos to the surroundings, could i then turn around and credibly present as fact, the idea that Storm subconsiously sustained and fueled the momentum of the leaking water if there wasnt a single on panel statement or artistic depiction stating that point? So youre saying Wanda unkowingly cracked a hole in the side of the universe, which lead to the warp leaking out. The leaking warp then doubled back round and also spread out across the 616 universe? 😕

Ummm where did you get this from? On top of that the Chaos Wave was a trans temporal tsunami that went around eroding dimensional walls, causing the universe in the middle to collapse resulting in complete chaos and nonsense within. Where did we see any evidence of a manifestation of this type occurring in 616?

I would of thought that if the Chaos Wave also spread through 616 as you claim then the other heroes would have mentioned it in the main HOM title or any 616 title for that matter.

Going back to my Storm/Dam analogy, if there was a crack in the dam, why on Earth would the unleashed water be flowing back in the damn and across it?

Wanda created the HOM reality warp on Earth 616 as stated on panel. Thats what she warped to her imagination. The Chaos Wave was a different manifestation altogether and it most certainly did not spread over 616. The Chaos Wave was leakover. The leakover of Wandas warp resulted in a different manifestation to what Wanda had created within 616.

Gibberish.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not willfully ignoring anything. I'm just knowing that Proteous for the purpose of the thread must have knowlege of the gem or be tapping it subconciously to acceptible lvls for there to even be a thread. Or why would the thread starter make a thread where the gem is useless. Reality warp for the win. proteous uses the gem to take wanda's crazyness away. let's see how powerful she is in her right mind? Right. She would lose. She hasn't done anything worthy while she's sane.

More gibberish.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Rubbish. The time Beak was referring to WAS the "No More Mutants" time, NOT this imagined backwards leakage of Wandas reality warp

Lets settle this once and for all people.

Exiles issue 71:

Heather talks about how her systems rebooted and she has figured out who warped “EARTH 616

She goes into detail on the next page talking of how Wanda warped THE WORL

In the above scan it talks of how Wanda is about to warp reality again (For the SECOND time according to Heathers readings from her system) You see Beak and Angel caught up in a flash of white light. End of issue.

Even more gibberish.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Rubbish. The time Beak was referring to WAS the "No More Mutants" time, NOT this imagined backwards leakage of Wandas reality warp 😂

Lets settle this once and for all people.

Exiles issue 71:

Heather talks about how her systems rebooted and she has figured out who warped “EARTH 616”

She goes into detail on the next page talking of how Wanda warped THE WORLD

In the above scan it talks of how Wanda is about to warp reality again (For the SECOND time according to Heathers readings from her system) You see Beak and Angel caught up in a flash of white light. End of issue.

Exiles issue 72:

The Intro page summarizes previous issues and talks of how Wanda warped EARTH 616 to create HOM and then talks of how at the end of the previous issue (where the previous scans are from) Wanda warped EARTH 616 again (so for the second time)

First page of Exiles 72, let’s see what changes occurred:

Hmmmm. In the SECOND and FINAL change it seems it was just the global “No More Mutants” change after all. What happened to the third mate?!!

Wanda isn’t a proven universal power. Your theory that Wandas reality warp leaked out of the dimensional hole causing the Chaos Wave and simultaneously leaked back into its origin dimension and across it ( 🤨 ) is ludicrous. It is a fantasy concoted so you can keep selling your deluded hierarchy to all who don’t analyse comics for themselves, all who don't know any better.

He has legions of idiots who dont' analyze that garbage he post.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Exiles issue 72:

The Intro page summarizes previous issues and talks of how Wanda warped EARTH 616 to create HOM and then talks of how at the end of the previous issue (where the previous scans are from) Wanda warped EARTH 616 again (so for the second time)

First page of Exiles 72, let’s see what changes occurred:

Hmmmm. In the SECOND and FINAL change it seems it was just the global “No More Mutants” change after all. What happened to the third mate?!!

Still gibbering.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Even more gibberish.

you do this of course all the time when you are getting your ass kicked. Or dont' you remember when you said I was talking giberrish and ripping you apart for your weaker universes theory. LMAO.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wanda isn’t a proven universal power. Your theory that Wandas reality warp leaked out of the dimensional hole causing the Chaos Wave and simultaneously leaked back into its origin dimension and across it is ludicrous. It is a fantasy concoted so you can keep selling your deluded hierarchy to all who don’t analyse comics for themselves, all who don't know any better.

Ultimate gibberish.