DC Comics: The Final Crisis!

I came into this event pitching it to a friend of mine (big DS fan) as Darkseid's finest hour. I've had to apologize for basically every issue I've handed him, from about #10 in Countdown, to DotNG's (he actually enjoyed that) on through RIP and FC. I consider myself swindled. My friend couldn't follow ANYTHING. And even if he could have, like most of us can here on KMC, it wasn't entertaining, and parts of it were still genuinely confusing.

I had a brief moment of change when I read Morrison's justification for the Batman thing, and what his final words meant. Kudos for that, Grant. It was excellent. But when you're trying for about 10-12 high-minded concepts, and are batting somewhere under the Mendoza line on their execution, a couple base hits only goes so far toward regaining one's credibility.

I look forward to the interviews that will attempt to explain this sh*tstorm, clear up the inconsistencies, and try to sweep it under the rug while touting Johns' next project.

Oh, and Superpig/Superpoodle standing next to Kal for the "epic" shot at the end before they killed Mandrakk: hilarious. Completely microcosmic of the event as a whole, confusing, needless, and worthy of a cringe toward DC's "biggest event ever." But at least I lol'd.

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P.S. A bunch of questions have surfaced, but I'll add mine: what the hell did the Flashes actually do? DS was still alive after the Black Racer encounter.

Originally posted by Digi
P.S. A bunch of questions have surfaced, but I'll add mine: what the hell did the Flashes actually do? DS was still alive after the Black Racer encounter.

They poisoned him with Radion. Apparently that made him so weak that, uh, actually besides killing Mandrakk with a huge green plasma stake that was pretty much the only part I followed.

Can you give a link to his justification for what happened to Bats? I can never find that sort of thing.

Black Racer was needed, because otherwise he'd have kept going in his physical form. The Black Racer made sure the death would stick. His physical body did indeed die, but the singularity remained, hence, Superman using the life equation. And btw, some of the weird shit happening at the end can be justified by Superman wishing for a happy ending. DS called the Miracle Machine "A cargo cult motherbox." Also, consider the enormous amount of effort and plot devices they had to use to finally kill Darkseid.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Black Racer was needed, because otherwise he'd have kept going in his physical form. The Black Racer made sure the death would stick. His physical body did indeed die, but the singularity remained, hence, Superman using the life equation. And btw, some of the weird shit happening at the end can be justified by Superman wishing for a happy ending. DS called the Miracle Machine "A cargo cult motherbox." Also, consider the enormous amount of effort and plot devices they had to use to finally kill Darkseid.

If any of that ridiculous stuff was a result of "I want a happy ending" that's probably one of the weakest uses of a plot device I've ever seen.

And why wouldn't the racer find DS anyway?

It was alright, I agree they could have made it 8 or 9 comics long with DS taking Supes down. Who was DS shooting the gun at?? Superman??? If Mandrakk got that small amount of time in FC he should have never been in the story to begin with! imo

Just noticed Darkseids slaves using the Omega Beams on the Flashs and they outraced it and it hitting Darkseid, also that was the point where he shot Orion from. 😎

Wait, where did the bullet come from? Did it fly out of DS's body after Batman shot him and then go backwards through time or something?

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I was thinking/wondering the same thing. 😕

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Black Racer was needed, because otherwise he'd have kept going in his physical form. The Black Racer made sure the death would stick. His physical body did indeed die, but the singularity remained, hence, Superman using the life equation. And btw, some of the weird shit happening at the end can be justified by Superman wishing for a happy ending. DS called the Miracle Machine "A cargo cult motherbox." Also, consider the enormous amount of effort and plot devices they had to use to finally kill Darkseid.

Is that why Black Racer was needed? It would make sense but then pages later it said Wonder Woman bounded Darkseid, the god of evil, and no one was hurt? This seemed, as I was reading, the alternative solution to beating him to death as Superman was going death but couldn't since Darkseid was linked to his human slaves. So if Black Racer did kill him, why would Wonder Woman need to bound him so no one could be harmed? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wait, where did the bullet come from? Did it fly out of DS's body after Batman shot him and then go backwards through time or something?

Confusing isn't it? This all begin with the death of Orion. Then we see the Flashes running throw time trying to catch up with that same bullet. Later on Batman retrieves the bullet which killed Orion and used it to fatally wound Darkseid. But wait, then Darkseid picks up the same gun (where he got the bullet from is a mystery) and uses it to fire it back in time to kill Orion - knowing that Orion couldn't see it at this point since he does not exist. 🤪

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wait, where did the bullet come from? Did it fly out of DS's body after Batman shot him and then go backwards through time or something?

that is so confusing..i read the issue..and i don't have a clue to what's happening..

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
No, Darkseid removed it and then shot it back through time. Its a continuous loop. Theres no origin for the bullet. It gets shot through time, kills orion, gets found by batman who shoots darkseid with it.

When did he remove it?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When did he remove it?

Maybe during the two weeks between FC #6 and FC #7.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Maybe during the two weeks between FC #6 and FC #7.

So a major plot point that sets up the entire thing as a stable time loop is barely even suggested and never shown on panel? That's awful 😬

Besides DS is still being poisoned by Radion in FC #7.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So a major plot point that sets up the entire thing as a stable time loop is barely even suggested and never shown on panel? That's awful 😬

Besides DS is still being poisoned by Radion in FC #7.

Rip Hunter a while back suggested that the multiverse was expanding, with new universes popping into existence all the time, infinitely. But FC pretty much shows that in point of fact, it's still 51/2 universes. I would have liked FC to return the DCU to it's pre-COIE's nature.

Also...did anyone understand the 'Earth-Zero' reference? Prior to IC, the prime universe was called Earth-One. And after it, it's called New Earth. So um, where did Earth-Zero come from? Was that name used for the prime universe anywhere else besides FC?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So a major plot point that sets up the entire thing as a stable time loop is barely even suggested and never shown on panel? That's awful 😬

Besides DS is still being poisoned by Radion in FC #7.

No that is not Batmans gun, its his own hooked up to his machine, hes getting ready to kill Superman with the Omega Sanction just before Wally and Barry arrive with the Black Racer the only thing DS did not count on.. It is strange how Barry came back to life when he should be dead which means someone brought him back to life, who? God? Could be but like everything he let everyone chose and Iris is the best guess that she has the Life Equation in her and used it to bring him back. This made sure the Black Racer could get to DS before Orion but still he does get shot by DS bullet.

Btw notice the rocket with the message in it lands many years in the past and Bruce finds it 🙂

Originally posted by Enyalus

Also...did anyone understand the 'Earth-Zero' reference? Prior to IC, the prime universe was called Earth-One. And after it, it's called New Earth. So um, where did Earth-Zero come from? Was that name used for the prime universe anywhere else besides FC?

Perhaps we can have a new Crisis next year to solve this issue...

Morrison also linked DTNG with Final Crisis as in 1 when Turpin discovers a dying Orion, he warns Turpin of Darkseids attack as he just got shot by the bullet after they battled in the Fourth World and Orion ripped out his heart where Darkseid fell inward down to Earth bringing all of the DC Multiverse with him!! 😱

Originally posted by kevdude
Morrison also linked DTNG with Final Crisis as in 1 when Turpin discovers a dying Orion, he warns Turpin of Darkseids attack as he just got shot by the bullet after they battled in the Fourth World and Orion ripped out his heart where Darkseid fell inward down to Earth bringing all of the DC Multiverse with him!! 😱

Erm...if that's true, then the Darkseid in FC had half of the Source's power.