So We All Deserve to Suffer, huh ?

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Originally posted by FeceMan
My view of Christianity is soundly biblical.

Matthew 5:17

Matthew 5:20

I get two things from this:

1. Christ is making fun of the Pharisees. They are hypocritical and self-righteous, not righteous.

2. Christ is saying that it is impossible to enter the kingdom of heaven because we've all broken commandments of the Law.

However, Christ's crucifixion is what has made us righteous enough to enter heaven.

Er Bro you not that stuff is made up? You do know that there are forgeries in the Bible dont you? Look up council of Nicea.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Maybe not completely, but your emotions is not your intellect.
My emotions do not tie my shoes, read, or play sports.
Primarily limbic system, amygdala, forebrain as opposed to motor cortex, somatosensory cortex, Wernicke's area, cerebellum.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
YFatal Diseases have been overcome thanks to positive emotion. Horrible diseases, such as cancer, have been caused by bombardment of negative emotion.

Please do your research.

Oh I'd love to see these double blinded studies showing that happy thoughts can cause spontaneous remission in terminal cancer patients without any other treatment; or showing that as a result of angry thoughts can cause the spontaneous development of cancer without any biological basis. I'm sure these cases have been well documented, peer-reviewed and published in reputable journals. 313

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Primarily limbic system, amygdala, forebrain as opposed to motor cortex, somatosensory cortex, Wernicke's area, cerebellum.
Oh I'd love to see these double blinded studies showing that happy thoughts can cause spontaneous remission in terminal cancer patients without any other treatment; or showing that as a result of angry thoughts can cause the spontaneous development of cancer without any biological basis. I'm sure these cases have been well documented, peer-reviewed and published in reputable journals. 313

Read The Holographic Universe.

Originally posted by FeceMan
So many words with so little value.

Perhaps I could elaborate...to be more righteous than the Pharisees or the keepers of the law, assuming that they were following the Law as closely as they could, would mean that one would have to be perfect. This, of course, is not possible.

yes, to those who would avert their eyes from obvious facts. you contradicted your previous statments twice. first you admit to NOT knowing what they were actually following. then there is AGAIN the same problem of the PHARISEES being potentially perfect and christ telling you to BE BETTER. and on top of saying that he did not come to destroy. furthermore, it seems like you comlpetely avoided my post and what it addressed. and well, you havent given a reply to what i posted in any way.

and yes emotional distress/lack of sleep/depression acts like a carcinogen in two ways. it speeds up and somehow increases the random mutations taking plae in the body, secondly, it weaken the body' defence system/interconnection leading to a slowing of lysosomal activity and pagocytosis. your body uses these and other systems to constantly destroy cancerous cells/structures in the body which are always being created. this increases the likelyhood of the cancerous growths of escaping phagocytosis and thus increases the likelyhood for both benign and malignant tumours.

also, im a little confused here. are we talkin about thought and emotion ad literally defined by the buddha or general english language. OR as defined by psychologists, because in psychology the two have different meaning form their worldly counterparts.

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You have contradicted yourself. You have shown how Buddhism frees people from suffering not causes suffering. Again Buddhism is not the cause of suffering, but a way to be empowered over suffering.

How so ..free them from their desires by removing them ?Isnt that a suffer already ?

Arent the Buddhist priests called a beggars by the people because they're forbidden to to work or own property and obliged to feed themselves by going from door to door and begging with their bowls in their hands .In addition ,forbidden to marry or have any kind of family life haveing a hard bed to sleep on , eat only one meal a day .Now I know why cant find a fat Buddhist 😆.. sorry kidding

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Here are the Eight Fold Path so you can read them and gain a better understanding.

http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html

The Noble Eightfold Path describes the way to the end of suffering, as it was laid out by Siddhartha Gautama. It is a practical guideline to ethical and mental development with the goal of freeing the individual from attachments and delusions; and it finally leads to understanding the truth about all things. Together with the Four Noble Truths it constitutes the gist of Buddhism. Great emphasis is put on the practical aspect, because it is only through practice that one can attain a higher level of existence and finally reach Nirvana. The eight aspects of the path are not to be understood as a sequence of single steps, instead they are highly interdependent principles that have to be seen in relationship with each other.

1. Right View

Right view is the beginning and the end of the path, it simply means to see and to understand things as they really are and to realise the Four Noble Truth. As such, right view is the cognitive aspect of wisdom. It means to see things through, to grasp the impermanent and imperfect nature of worldly objects and ideas, and to understand the law of karma and karmic conditioning. Right view is not necessarily an intellectual capacity, just as wisdom is not just a matter of intelligence. Instead, right view is attained, sustained, and enhanced through all capacities of mind. It begins with the intuitive insight that all beings are subject to suffering and it ends with complete understanding of the true nature of all things. Since our view of the world forms our thoughts and our actions, right view yields right thoughts and right actions.

2. Right Intention

While right view refers to the cognitive aspect of wisdom, right intention refers to the volitional aspect, i.e. the kind of mental energy that controls our actions. Right intention can be described best as commitment to ethical and mental self-improvement. Buddha distinguishes three types of right intentions: 1. the intention of renunciation, which means resistance to the pull of desire, 2. the intention of good will, meaning resistance to feelings of anger and aversion, and 3. the intention of harmlessness, meaning not to think or act cruelly, violently, or aggressively, and to develop compassion.

3. Right Speech

Right speech is the first principle of ethical conduct in the eightfold path. Ethical conduct is viewed as a guideline to moral discipline, which supports the other principles of the path. This aspect is not self-sufficient, however, essential, because mental purification can only be achieved through the cultivation of ethical conduct. The importance of speech in the context of Buddhist ethics is obvious: words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends, start war or create peace. Buddha explained right speech as follows: 1. to abstain from false speech, especially not to tell deliberate lies and not to speak deceitfully, 2. to abstain from slanderous speech and not to use words maliciously against others, 3. to abstain from harsh words that offend or hurt others, and 4. to abstain from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth. Positively phrased, this means to tell the truth, to speak friendly, warm, and gently and to talk only when necessary.

4. Right Action

The second ethical principle, right action, involves the body as natural means of expression, as it refers to deeds that involve bodily actions. Unwholesome actions lead to unsound states of mind, while wholesome actions lead to sound states of mind. Again, the principle is explained in terms of abstinence: right action means 1. to abstain from harming sentient beings, especially to abstain from taking life (including suicide) and doing harm intentionally or delinquently, 2. to abstain from taking what is not given, which includes stealing, robbery, fraud, deceitfulness, and dishonesty, and 3. to abstain from sexual misconduct. Positively formulated, right action means to act kindly and compassionately, to be honest, to respect the belongings of others, and to keep sexual relationships harmless to others. Further details regarding the concrete meaning of right action can be found in the Precepts.

5. Right Livelihood

Right livelihood means that one should earn one's living in a righteous way and that wealth should be gained legally and peacefully. The Buddha mentions four specific activities that harm other beings and that one should avoid for this reason: 1. dealing in weapons, 2. dealing in living beings (including raising animals for slaughter as well as slave trade and prostitution), 3. working in meat production and butchery, and 4. selling intoxicants and poisons, such as alcohol and drugs. Furthermore any other occupation that would violate the principles of right speech and right action should be avoided.

6. Right Effort

Right effort can be seen as a prerequisite for the other principles of the path. Without effort, which is in itself an act of will, nothing can be achieved, whereas misguided effort distracts the mind from its task, and confusion will be the consequence. Mental energy is the force behind right effort; it can occur in either wholesome or unwholesome states. The same type of energy that fuels desire, envy, aggression, and violence can on the other side fuel self-discipline, honesty, benevolence, and kindness. Right effort is detailed in four types of endeavours that rank in ascending order of perfection: 1. to prevent the arising of unarisen unwholesome states, 2. to abandon unwholesome states that have already arisen, 3. to arouse wholesome states that have not yet arisen, and 4. to maintain and perfect wholesome states already arisen.

7. Right Mindfulness

Right mindfulness is the controlled and perfected faculty of cognition. It is the mental ability to see things as they are, with clear consciousness. Usually, the cognitive process begins with an impression induced by perception, or by a thought, but then it does not stay with the mere impression. Instead, we almost always conceptualise sense impressions and thoughts immediately. We interpret them and set them in relation to other thoughts and experiences, which naturally go beyond the facticity of the original impression. The mind then posits concepts, joins concepts into constructs, and weaves those constructs into complex interpretative schemes. All this happens only half consciously, and as a result we often see things obscured. Right mindfulness is anchored in clear perception and it penetrates impressions without getting carried away. Right mindfulness enables us to be aware of the process of conceptualisation in a way that we actively observe and control the way our thoughts go. Buddha accounted for this as the four foundations of mindfulness: 1. contemplation of the body, 2. contemplation of feeling (repulsive, attractive, or neutral), 3. contemplation of the state of mind, and 4. contemplation of the phenomena.

8. Right Concentration

The eighth principle of the path, right concentration, refers to the development of a mental force that occurs in natural consciousness, although at a relatively low level of intensity, namely concentration. Concentration in this context is described as one-pointedness of mind, meaning a state where all mental faculties are unified and directed onto one particular object. Right concentration for the purpose of the eightfold path means wholesome concentration, i.e. concentration on wholesome thoughts and actions. The Buddhist method of choice to develop right concentration is through the practice of meditation. The meditating mind focuses on a selected object. It first directs itself onto it, then sustains concentration, and finally intensifies concentration step by step. Through this practice it becomes natural to apply elevated levels concentration also in everyday situations.

Ok .But how to know that this "Eight Fold Path" is exactly his saying and not for his followers? 😕

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Originally posted by Fatima
How so ..free them from their desires by removing them ?Isnt that a suffer already ?

Arent the Buddhist priests called a beggars by the people because they're forbidden to to work or own property and obliged to feed themselves by going from door to door and begging with their bowls in their hands .In addition ,forbidden to marry or have any kind of family life haveing a hard bed to sleep on , eat only one meal a day .Now I know why cant find a fat Buddhist 😆.. sorry kidding

Ok .But how to know that this "Eight Fold Path" is exactly his saying and not for his followers? 😕

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Originally posted by Fatima
Well , according to Buddhism (not me), hunger, misery and pain guide the way to the truth and Buddhists believe that the more pain they endure, and the more hunger and misery they suffer, the sooner they become enlightened. But this is not enlightenment; it is an inhuman life of self-abuse and slavery .See how could they taking responsibility for their sufferings if their religion told them to do so ?

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hunger, misery and pain were a sideaffect of siddharta giving up food, ignorance and wordly pleasure. the NEGETIVITY associated with the giving up of those things was NOT what guided buddha. it was the trancendance of materialistic chains that stop most beings from reaching a higher level of existance, that finally allowed shakyamunisoon to break away from his human bond. atleast thats how i see it. however this world is, in part, physical. and in my oppinion, either not evolved/changed or inherently not fit enough to house a higher level ofconciousness. by its very nature, giving up on materialistic things will cause pain and suffering to the material body. as this dimension has holds on our body stronger than cages. but it IS necessary to make a differentiation between the SEPERATION/TRANCENDANCE and PAIN/SUFFERING, associated with that trancendance. the former{i think} plays a part in elevating you to higher level, the later, does not, and could ideally be done without, in an ideal world. also its good not to confuse the necessity to feal and understand the pain of others{needed for trancendance} with the pain of leaving materialistic bounds{not really a cause/need for trancendance, again, in my humble oppinion.}
furthermore, you should seperate, the pain that comes with the realisation{of some} that you are infact a prisoner of your desires{same way a human would hate to be a slave where its master had more control over it than its nature or conciounce}, and the pain that comes with LETTING GO of those desires which is due to addiction and habit. the former is probably needed in ascension. the later, it is your aim to overcome/avoid, and is not a necessity for trancendance.

furthermore, UNLIKE islam/christianity buddhism does NOT tell you that to you can only acheive enlightenment{actually not a concept found in islam or christianity} through sufferring. it might have been the legacy of buddhas to take alms, but thats a different thing. suffering isnt like the trial of sin/good deeds that allah places infront of you. its a wholly different concept. not sinister/totalitarian/tyrranically decisive, like that of islam. and noweher do i know of where suffering is directly proportional to enlightenmient . if indeed your suffering is causing you to lose focus and start hating/be scared of anything/cause disturbing internal conflict, your probably going AWAY from enlightenment, so no, that doesnt hold.

and while were on the subject, the LOWEST hell{islamic jahannum i mean} has peoples head cleaved in two, and their brains boiled with the sparks of hellfire as their fingers burn and ther bodies rot{and hellfire even the weakest is sinsiterly black and 5 times hotter than any fire eveer created in the univers,e including big bangs/sun etc}. this is done again and again forever. or how abaout the suicide, who will have an extra punishment of eternally, and continuously dying the same way he killed himself in real life.

or maybe ud prefer the real world. cutting hands for the slightest theivery. death by stoning for adultery or fornication on top pf 80 lashes each. encouragement to beat up children above 8 for not saying prayer. making women wear the burqa and have no contact with any men after 10 other than in the most crucial of matter. no punishment for marital rape. or the fact that any interest earnt on any money in real life will turn to molten metal and burn your entire body in the grave until the day of judgement. killing of infidels who say anything against the prophet. permissable beating of your wife if she does sumthing you dont like or is unislamic. denying sexuality until marriage. i cud go on and on. islamic is terrible when it comes to ABUSING the body and mind.

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you didnt reply to the above post. and stereotypically, you have the same confined mindset of a muslim. not being able to conceptualise anything outside the GOD IS SUPREME/HE SENT MESSENGERS WHO WERE ALL MUSLIMS/THEIR FOLLOWERS CHANED THEIR TRUE, DIVINELY REVEALED MESSAGE.

that doesnt hold true for buddhism. it would be better to call buddhism a philosophy and way of life as opposed to the percieved view of RELEGION. buddha's message was not like muhammad's or jesus's. it does not normally have absolutes. your just tryin to undermine the argument by thinking that gautama was the percieved LEADER of buddhism and people in the relegion percieve him and follow his every word as they feared and followed muhammad. that isnt true. if you knew his teachings youd see how completely wrong ur viewpoint is. there were many buddha before him. buddha is just one who has trancended his human existance and reached enlightenment of his own right. he was the supreme buddha of out time{in buddhism} and teached people ways to reach buddha hood and end the suffering which came from attachment to matterialistic things. to reach nirvana{which is NOT anything like heaven}. he is not WORSHIPPED as the supreme god like allah or whatever. he is only praised and his teachings followed. there is no such thing as GOD in buddhism. and by your argument, how do we know that the quran is god's word revealed through muhammad. after all, we can not verify the existance of MUHAMMAD let alone ALLAH! we have the sutra's and buddha's saying which hint at him being the one to have said them. there is also, the date of these sayings, which are the same as the time of buddha. also, if youd study the relegion and see, there are not only sayings of BUDDHA in buddhism, but of others too, who have tried to or believed to reach buddhahood. buddhism does not condemn the addition of other like your relegion does. it is a PHILOSOPHY which is not in any way, in the same basket as the abrahamic relegions.

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Originally posted by Fatima

Ok .But how to know that this "Eight Fold Path" is exactly his saying and not for his followers? 😕

This is whats going to happen next. Your going to talk about the hadiths and how they have a chain of narration, that proves that Mohammed said such and such and because of this Islam is the best religon in the world and we should all convert.

there are many different kind of buddhist priests. your referring to the tibettan. people who CHOOSE to dedicate their lives to acheiving buddhahood, generally follow his examples of taking alms{calling them beggars and laughing about it only shows your contempt and disgust in trying to demeen them}. if youve read about buddha, after he reached enlightenment, he did start eating food a lot more{althoug not enough to INDULGE in it} heck, he accepted kheer and milk from a girl just alittle after he reached elightenment. and really, if BUDDHISTS were forbidden to marry? how is it that tibet still managed to have a younger generation?!?! it is only MONASTS who choose to not marry. im not saying i agree with all that, but it definately has its significance and truth. furthermore one should have the right knowledge about sumthing they choose to critique. and it is all rather rich coming from one who believes in a tyrranical relegion like islam.

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Originally posted by leonheartmm
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Originally posted by Fatima
Well , according to Buddhism (not me), hunger, misery and pain guide the way to the truth and Buddhists believe that the more pain they endure, and the more hunger and misery they suffer, the sooner they become enlightened. But this is not enlightenment; it is an inhuman life of self-abuse and slavery .See how could they taking responsibility for their sufferings if their religion told them to do so ?

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hunger, misery and pain were a sideaffect of siddharta giving up food, ignorance and wordly pleasure. the NEGETIVITY associated with the giving up of those things was NOT what guided buddha. it was the trancendance of materialistic chains that stop most beings from reaching a higher level of existance, that finally allowed shakyamunisoon to break away from his human bond. atleast thats how i see it. however this world is, in part, physical. and in my oppinion, either not evolved/changed or inherently not fit enough to house a higher level ofconciousness. by its very nature, giving up on materialistic things will cause pain and suffering to the material body. as this dimension has holds on our body stronger than cages. but it IS necessary to make a differentiation between the SEPERATION/TRANCENDANCE and PAIN/SUFFERING, associated with that trancendance. the former{i think} plays a part in elevating you to higher level, the later, does not, and could ideally be done without, in an ideal world. also its good not to confuse the necessity to feal and understand the pain of others{needed for trancendance} with the pain of leaving materialistic bounds{not really a cause/need for trancendance, again, in my humble oppinion.}
furthermore, you should seperate, the pain that comes with the realisation{of some} that you are infact a prisoner of your desires{same way a human would hate to be a slave where its master had more control over it than its nature or conciounce}, and the pain that comes with LETTING GO of those desires which is due to addiction and habit. the former is probably needed in ascension. the later, it is your aim to overcome/avoid, and is not a necessity for trancendance.

furthermore, UNLIKE islam/christianity buddhism does NOT tell you that to you can only acheive enlightenment{actually not a concept found in islam or christianity} through sufferring. it might have been the legacy of buddhas to take alms, but thats a different thing. suffering isnt like the trial of sin/good deeds that allah places infront of you. its a wholly different concept. not sinister/totalitarian/tyrranically decisive, like that of islam. and noweher do i know of where suffering is directly proportional to enlightenmient . if indeed your suffering is causing you to lose focus and start hating/be scared of anything/cause disturbing internal conflict, your probably going AWAY from enlightenment, so no, that doesnt hold.

and while were on the subject, the LOWEST hell{islamic jahannum i mean} has peoples head cleaved in two, and their brains boiled with the sparks of hellfire as their fingers burn and ther bodies rot{and hellfire even the weakest is sinsiterly black and 5 times hotter than any fire eveer created in the univers,e including big bangs/sun etc}. this is done again and again forever. or how abaout the suicide, who will have an extra punishment of eternally, and continuously dying the same way he killed himself in real life.

or maybe ud prefer the real world. cutting hands for the slightest theivery. death by stoning for adultery or fornication on top pf 80 lashes each. encouragement to beat up children above 8 for not saying prayer. making women wear the burqa and have no contact with any men after 10 other than in the most crucial of matter. no punishment for marital rape. or the fact that any interest earnt on any money in real life will turn to molten metal and burn your entire body in the grave until the day of judgement. killing of infidels who say anything against the prophet. permissable beating of your wife if she does sumthing you dont like or is unislamic. denying sexuality until marriage. i cud go on and on. islamic is terrible when it comes to ABUSING the body and mind.

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you didnt reply to the above post. and stereotypically, you have the same confined mindset of a muslim. not being able to conceptualise anything outside the GOD IS SUPREME/HE SENT MESSENGERS WHO WERE ALL MUSLIMS/THEIR FOLLOWERS CHANED THEIR TRUE, DIVINELY REVEALED MESSAGE.

that doesnt hold true for buddhism. it would be better to call buddhism a philosophy and way of life as opposed to the percieved view of RELEGION. buddha's message was not like muhammad's or jesus's. it does not normally have absolutes. your just tryin to undermine the argument by thinking that gautama was the percieved LEADER of buddhism and people in the relegion percieve him and follow his every word as they feared and followed muhammad. that isnt true. if you knew his teachings youd see how completely wrong ur viewpoint is. there were many buddha before him. buddha is just one who has trancended his human existance and reached enlightenment of his own right. he was the supreme buddha of out time{in buddhism} and teached people ways to reach buddha hood and end the suffering which came from attachment to matterialistic things. to reach nirvana{which is NOT anything like heaven}. he is not WORSHIPPED as the supreme god like allah or whatever. he is only praised and his teachings followed. there is no such thing as GOD in buddhism. and by your argument, how do we know that the quran is god's word revealed through muhammad. after all, we can not verify the existance of MUHAMMAD let alone ALLAH! we have the sutra's and buddha's saying which hint at him being the one to have said them. there is also, the date of these sayings, which are the same as the time of buddha. also, if youd study the relegion and see, there are not only sayings of BUDDHA in buddhism, but of others too, who have tried to or believed to reach buddhahood. buddhism does not condemn the addition of other like your relegion does. it is a PHILOSOPHY which is not in any way, in the same basket as the abrahamic relegions.

Dont worry I will replay on that post soon .. 😉

Cant wait.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Read The Holographic Universe.
Good book. thumbup1
It would make sense that the universe is highly interconnected, even from a conventional perspective.

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Originally posted by Fatima
How so ..free them from their desires by removing them ?Isnt that a suffer already ?

Arent the Buddhist priests called a beggars by the people because they're forbidden to to work or own property and obliged to feed themselves by going from door to door and begging with their bowls in their hands .In addition ,forbidden to marry or have any kind of family life haveing a hard bed to sleep on , eat only one meal a day .Now I know why cant find a fat Buddhist 😆.. sorry kidding

Are u familiar in chinatown? u could see around Chinese fat Buddha and with a festive and great smile..how poor u didn't know that.. 😄

I think the ramadan is one i could not bear at with so much do's and dont's including sex or eating foods which characterise extreme asceticism. The Buddha reject such practices and instead found the truth of the Middle Way that lead one to spiritual freedom or enlightenment.

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Originally posted by Fatima
How so ..free them from their desires by removing them ?Isnt that a suffer already ?

Arent the Buddhist priests called a beggars by the people because they're forbidden to to work or own property and obliged to feed themselves by going from door to door and begging with their bowls in their hands .In addition ,forbidden to marry or have any kind of family life haveing a hard bed to sleep on , eat only one meal a day .Now I know why cant find a fat Buddhist 😆.. sorry kidding

My type of Buddhism does not have temples or priests or monks. I have a job, a family, and a good income. Desires do not equal attachments. There maybe attachments to desires, but it is attachments that cause suffering not desires.

Originally posted by Fatima
Ok .But how to know that this "Eight Fold Path" is exactly his saying and not for his followers? 😕

Sorry, but I don’t understand this statement. It maybe a translation problem.

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Originally posted by Fatima
How about the suffering in Buddhism ? ..why should people suffer only because they have desires ?


Well , according to Buddhism (not me), hunger, misery and pain guide the way to the truth and Buddhists believe that the more pain they endure, and the more hunger and misery they suffer, the sooner they become enlightened. But this is not enlightenment; it is an inhuman life of self-abuse and slavery .See how could they taking responsibility for their sufferings if their religion told them to do so ?

Many things occur in the course of life. There are sufferings and joys, tailwinds and headwinds. All such phenomena provide opportunities for us to make the true entity of the world of Buddhahood/enlightenment in our lives shine; we can use everything that happens to expand our happiness.

Worth is not found in joy alone. Nor is success the only valuable outcome. Suffering is the mother of realization; worries and failures, so long as we are not defeated by them, enable us to deepen our faith. Our sufferings become the raw material with which to construct our happiness.

Also, Common mortals thought of this world as the world of suffering or enduring and most religions try to seek otherwordly happiness after death. Human beings have a certain escapist tendency; we are inclined to believe that if we could just get away from reality and go to some different realm, then we could become happy(i.e. god's paradise or heaven). This is nothing but just illusory dreams. Illusory happiness can never be anything more than an illusion.

On the other hand, the Buddha sees this world(the world we are now) as enjoyable and happy place and which is itself the pure or heavenly land. Thus, he exclaimed himself during the final years of his preaching:

For asamkhya kalpas
constantly I have dwelled on Holy Eagle Peak
and in various other places.
When living beings witness the end of a kalpa
and all is consumed in a great fire,
this, my land, remains safe and tranquil,
constantly filled with heavenly and human beings.
The halls and pavilions in its gardens and groves
are adorned with various kinds of gems.
Jeweled trees abound in flowers and fruit
where living beings enjoy themselves at ease.
The gods strike heavenly drums,
constantly making many kinds of music.
Mandarava blossoms rain down,
scattering over the Buddha and the great assembly....

My pure land is not destroyed,
yet the multitude see it as consumed in fire,
with anxiety, fear and other sufferings
filling it everywhere.
These living beings with their various offenses,
through causes arising from their evil actions,
spend asamkhya kalpas
without hearing the name of the Three Treasures....."

-Lotus Sutra-

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your intellect could not function without your emotions. The two cannot be separated in any real sense.

I never stated they were seperate as in completely different, but they are not the samething.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Oh I'd love to see these double blinded studies showing that happy thoughts can cause spontaneous remission in terminal cancer patients without any other treatment; or showing that as a result of angry thoughts can cause the spontaneous development of cancer without any biological basis. I'm sure these cases have been well documented, peer-reviewed and published in reputable journals. 313
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your intellect could not function without your emotions.

Correction, Your emotions always function despite using your intellect. This isn't about emotional functions, it's about not letting your emotions control your actions. Also, realising that your emotions is not the same as your thoughts.

Sorry for the triple post.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Correction, Your emotions always function despite using your intellect. This isn't about emotional functions, it's about not letting your emotions control your actions. Also, realising that your emotions is not the same as your thoughts.

Sorry for the triple post.

You are dissecting emotion and thought without really knowing what they are. Without emotion you cannot have thought, and without thought you cannot have emotion.

Thought or thinking is a mental process which allows beings to model the world, and so to deal with it effectively according to their goals, plans, ends and desires. Concepts akin to thought are sentience, consciousness, idea, and imagination.
In psychology and common use, emotion is the language of a person's mental state of being, normally based in or tied to the person's internal (physical) and external (social) sensory feeling. Love, hate, courage, fear, joy, sadness, pleasure and disgust can all be described in both psychological and physiological terms. ...

Without emotions you would not have any context to be able to think.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are dissecting emotion and thought without really knowing what they are.

I do know what thought is, and the definition you just used spported my definition of thought. Now showme where it states that one needs to feel in order to think?

Do I need to feel happy to think happy thoughts and Vice Versa?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

Without emotion you cannot have thought, and without thought you cannot have emotion.

What? 😕

You do not have to think to feel.
You do not have to feel to think.

But, if I'm wrong prove it, bcause your claiming they are the same with no proof.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

Without emotions you would not have any context to be able to think.

Context is not soley based on feeling, infact context soley based on feeling is entire subjective.