Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Thought and emotion are both just synaptic activity. doped
synaptic activity gives rise/sustainance to though and emotion. but it is not thought and emotion in itself. if it were then thought and emotion would merely be the PHYSICAL/BEHAVIOURAL consequence of psuedo thought/emotion. it would SEEM like we were thinking , extrapolating from physical phenomenon. but in reality, we would have no conciousness which was further conciously AWARE of the existance of the very conciousness in question. same goes for thoughts and emotions. our conciounce is AWARE of our thoughts and emotion and thus they can not simply be attributed in their totality, to synaptic activity. thats the physical beginning maybe, but not the whole story.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I never meant to say they are the same thing, just that you cannot talk about one without inferring to the other.
I agree with that, but to what degree is dependent on context.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
synaptic activity gives rise/sustainance to though and emotion. but it is not thought and emotion in itself. if it were then thought and emotion would merely be the PHYSICAL/BEHAVIOURAL consequence of psuedo thought/emotion. it would SEEM like we were thinking , extrapolating from physical phenomenon. but in reality, we would have no conciousness which was further conciously AWARE of the existance of the very conciousness in question. same goes for thoughts and emotions. our conciounce is AWARE of our thoughts and emotion and thus they can not simply be attributed in their totality, to synaptic activity. thats the physical beginning maybe, but not the whole story.
Synaptic activity seems to be what emotion is in my opinion, but not thought.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThey're interrelated but the way you're framing it they're primarily effected by different areas of the brain.
Are they the samething like Shaky's trying to say?
Tying one's shoe would involve the motor cortex, somatosensory cortex, cerebellum etc.
Feeling scared would involve the frontal cortical regions, limbic system, amygdala and probably areas involved in memory encoding and retrieval etc.
They're still interrelatable though.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They're interrelated but the way you're framing it they're primarily effected by different areas of the brain.Tying one's shoe would involve the motor cortex, somatosensory cortex, cerebellum etc.
Feeling scared would involve the limbic system, amygdala and probably areas involved in memory encoding and retrieval etc.
They're still interrelatable though.
Oh, okay, thanks.
Originally posted by leonheartmmPunctuation. I have no idea what you just said, but it sounded a lot like psychobabble.
synaptic activity gives rise/sustainance to though and emotion. but it is not thought and emotion in itself. if it were then thought and emotion would merely be the PHYSICAL/BEHAVIOURAL consequence of psuedo thought/emotion. it would SEEM like we were thinking , extrapolating from physical phenomenon. but in reality, we would have no conciousness which was further conciously AWARE of the existance of the very conciousness in question. same goes for thoughts and emotions. our conciounce is AWARE of our thoughts and emotion and thus they can not simply be attributed in their totality, to synaptic activity. thats the physical beginning maybe, but not the whole story.
Conscious thought in itself is simply physical neural activity. 🙂
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh I'd love to see these double blinded studies showing that happy thoughts can cause spontaneous remission in terminal cancer patients without any other treatment; or showing that as a result of angry thoughts can cause the spontaneous development of cancer without any biological basis. I'm sure these cases have been well documented, peer-reviewed and published in reputable journals. 313
http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/emotions-and-cancer-healing.html
http://www.innerself.com/Health/emotions_cancer.htm
Under emotional distress, the brain may signal the adrenal glands to produce chemicals called corticosteroids, hormones which weaken the immune response. Cancer-related processes are accelerated in the presence of these chemicals1 as well as other stress hormones like prolactin.2 Certain cancers have also been associated with distressing life events. In one study, the risk of developing breast cancer was five times higher if the woman had experienced an important emotional loss in the six years prior to the discovery of the tumor.3
Toxic Emotions
Since the 1970s, research in the field of psychoneuroimmunology has documented direct links between emotions and biochemical events in the body, thereby establishing on a scientific basis what folk healers have always known: emotions can manifest themselves as physical symptoms. Noted women's health expert, Christiane Northrup, M.D., of Yarmouth, Maine, coined the term toxic emotions to indicate the powerful, strongly held, and often unconsciously active beliefs and emotions that help generate symptoms that keep illnesses in place. "A thought held long enough and repeated enough becomes a belief," says Dr. Northrup. "The belief then becomes biology." In the view of Dr. Northrup as well as other alternative practitioners working with cancer patients, beliefs and emotions can be legitimate toxins, contributing to an overall weakening of the immune system.4
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X...you being a self-proclaimed scientist, I'm very surprised you are completely unaware of the effects emotions and mentality have on the physical body 😬
Originally posted by leonheartmm
Synaptic activity gives rise/sustainance to thought and emotion. But, it is not thought and emotion in itself. If it were then thought and emotion would merely be the PHYSICAL/BEHAVIOURAL consequence of psuedo thought/emotion. It would SEEM like we were thinking, extrapolating from physical phenomenon. But, In reality we would have no conciousness which was further conciously AWARE of the existance of the very conciousness in question. Same goes for thoughts and emotions. our conciounce is AWARE of our thoughts and emotion and thus they can not simply be attributed in their totality, to synaptic activity. thats the physical beginning maybe, but not the whole story.
Fixed it for ya, and I agree. 🙂
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
X...you being a self-proclaimed scientist, I'm very surprised you are completely unaware of the effects emotions and mentality have on the physical body 😬
Not one persone here claimed that emotions do not effect the body, but you claimed that emotions could cure cancer!
Where's the evidence for that?
Originally posted by FeceMan
Really, I find that Urizen/Kali has such a misguided view of Christianity and is so set in his prejudices that he will never get over them. I have explained on numerous occasions why Christians don't follow the rules and regulations of the Old Testament, but he continually uses that as anti-Christian ammunition.
I am not talking about the Bible, I am talking about the popular fundamentalist beleif that many, not all Christians hold, as I have said before. The beleif that we are naturally wicked people and deserve to go to Hell.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali🙄
X...you being a self-proclaimed scientist, I'm very surprised you are completely unaware of the effects emotions and mentality have on the physical body 😬
I know corticosteroids have many and varied effects on the nervous and other systems. I never claimed that the underlying substrates of emotion have no other effect on the body.
I also know correlation does not imply causation, something you're happy to ignore apparently.
None of the (not particularly well referenced, nor attributed to any particular medical sciences journal) above confirms this:
"Fatal Diseases have been overcome thanks to positive emotion. Horrible diseases, such as cancer, have been caused by bombardment of negative emotion."
Feel free to post the case studies where happy thoughts have repaired artherosclerosis, or anger, stress etc. have been the direct causation of liver cirrhosis.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
🙄I know corticosteroids have many and varied effects on the nervous and other systems. I never claimed that the underlying substrates of emotion have no other effect on the body.
I also know correlation does not imply causation, something you're happy to ignore apparently.
None of the (not particularly well referenced, nor attributed to any particular medical sciences journal) above confirms this:
"Fatal Diseases have been overcome thanks to positive emotion. Horrible diseases, such as cancer, have been caused by bombardment of negative emotion."Feel free to post the case studies where happy thoughts have repaired artherosclerosis, or anger, stress etc. have been the direct causation of liver cirrhosis.
I didn't mean to say that Happy thoughts literally cured diseases. What I meant to say was that they heavily influence the outcomes, which they do.
Negative Thinking as well as Emotional Stress weaken the immune system, which in turn, allow cancer cells to spread much faster. As you know, when a cell is mutated, the immune system usually recognizes this and destroys it before it can influence other cells.
Positive Thinking as well as Happier Emotions have also influence outcomes greatly.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Not one persone here claimed that emotions do not effect the body, but you claimed that emotions could cure cancer!Where's the evidence for that?
Positive Mentalities have lead to remission. I didn't say (or mean to claim) that happy thoughts cured cancer. Either I was tying too fast, or what not, but that's not what I am claiming.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Positive mentalities guided by thought/reason. You made it seem as if said emotions on there own could make these changes.
I said Emotions LEAD to actions. I didn't say emotions themselves do these things. Either you misintepret me, or I have worded my stance wrong.
If it is the latter, I apologize.
Secondly, I still disagree with your idea which separates emotion and intellect. They correlate, they go hand in hand. You cannot have one without the other. They both influence the mind and all actions.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I said Emotions LEAD to actions.
They can, but I wouldn't want my emotions to lead my actions in the long run.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Secondly, I still disagree with your idea which separates emotion and intellect. They correlate, they go hand in hand. You cannot have one without the other. They both influence the mind and all actions.
What I was saying was actions lead for the most part by emotions aren't generally healthy. Also, I disagree you can have one with out the other. They are interrelated, not indespensble.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
They can, but I wouldn't want my emotions to lead my actions in the long run.
Why not ? Emotions aren't always bad.
Empathy, Love, and Joy usually lead to good/beneficial actions.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What I was saying was actions lead for the most part by emotions aren't generally healthy.
And how do you know that ? Have you met every single person on Earth and interviewed them on thier life choices ?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Also, I disagree you can have one with out the other. They are interrelated, not indespensble.
You cannot separate the two, because you will always have both.
If you are interested in something or someone, that is an emotional state of mind, not an intellectual one. If you wish to help someone, that is an emotional state of mind, not an intellectual one.
Emotion and Intellect are both equally important and valid, and they influence each other all the time.
You learn because you want to learn. You desire to learn. Without that emotion of desire, you will not be driven to learn. Likewise, without the knowledge you acquire, your emotions will be raw, immature, and ungrowing.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Why not ? Emotions aren't always bad.
Empathy, Love, and Joy usually lead to good/beneficial actions.
Because they are linear in function. Humans will only adhere to emotions that gratify them feel good rather than what's objectively good for them.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
And how do you know that ? Have you met every single person on Earth and interviewed them on thier life choices ?
Why would why need to meet everyone to know that certain choices will have a negative consequence in life?
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
You cannot separate the two, because you will always have both.
Having both doesn't change the priority of one.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
If you are interested in something or someone, that is an emotional state of mind, not an intellectual one. If you wish to help someone, that is an emotional state of mind, not an intellectual one.
And, tell me, is it an emotional based action that helps you properly assist a person or maintain a healthy relationship?
You can name all the examples you want and I can turn it around on you. But, let me end this now with a question. If a gunmen positioned a firearm near your temple, and threatened to kill you if you did not answer a riddle. Would you rather base you answer to his enigma on what you feel is right or what you know is right?
Originally posted by Goddess KaliEmotion and Intellect are both equally important and valid, and they influence each other all the time.
Wrong, Emotion is not as important as reason in the long run and you can easily effect your emotion with thought. I do it all the time by reframing. But, if you believe they are the same answer my question. Would you trust critical actions with your emotion or reason?
Originally posted by Goddess KaliYou learn because you want to learn. You desire to learn. Without that emotion of desire, you will not be driven to learn. Likewise, without the knowledge you acquire, your emotions will be raw, immature, and ungrowing.
Speak for yourself, I learn because I know I need knowledge in order to live. My desire is irrelevant to my reason for learning. Emotions are a reaction to stimuli and thus need constant stimuli or else they wane. The irony is that constant stimulation of an emotion will require more amounts of stimuli. How does that benefit you in the long run if you decide to base your actions on emotions?
Originally posted by Goddess KaliFirstly, "negative thinking" does not weaken the immune system, (gluco)corticosteroids do.
I didn't mean to say that Happy thoughts literally cured diseases. What I meant to say was that they heavily influence the outcomes, which they do.Negative Thinking as well as Emotional Stress weaken the immune system, which in turn, allow cancer cells to spread much faster. As you know, when a cell is mutated, the immune system usually recognizes this and destroys it before it can influence other cells.
Positive Thinking as well as Happier Emotions have also influence outcomes greatly.
Secondly, that's an incredibly simplistic view of the immunological reaction to neoplasia. For one thing parts of the normal immune response to stimuli (macrophages) actually enhance progression of tumor growth and angiogenesis.
Tumor suppressor genes, e.g. p53 are more competent at controlling neoplasia than immune response and the local tumor environment already secretes immunosuppressant factors (TGF-beta, IL-10, PGE-2 etc.). Tumor cells also have other means of immune response evasion that are antigen-specific. The role of the immune system in control of cancer would be predominantly in preventing micrometastasis.
T cell proliferation and NK cell cytotoxicity are correlated to prognosis; and likewise T cell proliferation and NKCC are inversely correlated to initial subjective stress and changes in subjective stress respectively. However none of which makes this statement true:
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Positive Mentalities have lead to remission.