Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I do know what thought is, and the definition you just used supported my definition of thought. Mow shopw me where it states that one needs emotion to think?What? 😕
You do not have to think to feel.
You do not have to feel to think.But, if I'm wrong prove it.
That is not true.
A person who can think without emotion is called menially ill. I thought we were talking about health, not obscure possibilities.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Please tell me what psychosis a person who thinks without feeling has.
Serial killer. However, they also have some emotions, just not the right ones. You are right, I can't think of any time that a person thinks that they don't have some kind of underlying emotion.
You can't have thought without some kind of emotion. So you tell me what kind of thought you can have without emotion.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Serial killer. However, they also have some emotions, just not the right ones. You are right, I can't think of any time that a person thinks that they don't have some kind of underlying emotion.
Serial killers motives are different in each case.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You can't have thought without some kind of emotion. So you tell me what kind of thought you can have without emotion.
Of course, your going to have emotions when you think I never disagree'd with that notion. Emotions are important in life, and I'm not denying that. But, to claim that emotion is indispensable from thought is false. Infact, emotions are easily sayed with basic mental techniques such as reframing. I do it all the time, and it's very easy. You will always have emotions, that's normal. But, letting your emotions govern any thought process is an automatic failure. Emotions are ghenerally developed at birth, there simply tools used for simple problems. If I'm hurt my arm, I can use my emotions to pin point the problem area. But, my emotions will not heal my injury. They may help, but that's the most they can do. Real action is done by thought.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Serial killers motives are different in each case.Of course, your going to have emotions when you think I never disagree'd with that notion. Emotions are important in life, and I'm not denying that. But, to claim that emotion is indispensable from thought is false. Infact, emotions are easily sayed with basic mental techniques such as reframing. I do it all the time, and it's very easy. You will always have emotions, that's normal. But, letting your emotions govern any thought process is an automatic failure. Emotions are ghenerally developed at birth, there simply tools used for simple problems. If I'm hurt my arm, I can use my emotions to pin point the problem area. But, my emotions will not heal my injury. They may help, but that's the most they can do. Real action is done by thought.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your intellect could not function without your emotions. The two cannot be separated in any real sense.
I am glad you finally agree with me.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Serial killer. However, they also have some emotions, just not the right ones. You are right, I can't think of any time that a person thinks that they don't have some kind of underlying emotion.You can't have thought without some kind of emotion. So you tell me what kind of thought you can have without emotion.
actually you can. emotions, unrelated to or from the thought can creep in simply because the same body{albeit different components, i.e. higher brain vs basic nerve centres/reflexes/physical reactions} is thinking and having biological processes which psychologically, are a major component of emotions{i.e. activity of the symp/auto nervous system due to hormonal changes like adrenaline}. for instance, your could be fealing the shivers{component of emotion} and thinking about the shapes of pineabpples. the difference with an emotion{which at the same time contains a cognitive and physical component} is that the two are not interraletad, just inter observable. one does not cause, or is caused by the other. they are not intertwined the same way an amotion is. its the worst of existances, but fact is, it happens, and for one reason or another, there are people who live with it in both, partiality, and utter completeness. and your right, once the condition develops, among MANY who do feal emotions at rare times, the emotions are often of a wrong kind reguarding their personal situation and perception.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I only agree with the later, the two cannot be seperated in respects to you. But, you can think without emotion, but your will be effected by your thought.
It has never happened to me. I am always in one of the ten worlds (emotional states of being). Thoughts come and go, but emotional states of being always paint my world.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It has never happened to me. I am always in one of the ten worlds (emotional states of being). Thoughts come and go, but emotional states of being always paint my world.
Allowing your emotions govern your actions and paint your perspective of the world. That's what children do, since they have not developed there intellect to understand the world.
If you believe emotions to be thought, than you must also accept that perspective and Truth are Subjective like emotions.
Because in the end humans always adhere to the emotions that gratify them.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Allowing your emotions govern your actions and paint your perspective of the world. That's what children do, since they have not developed there intellect to understand the world.If you believe emotions to be thought, than you must also accept that perspective and Truth are Subjective like emotions.
Because in the end humans always adhere to the emotions that gratify them.
You speak without understanding, and like a child lash out at what you cannot grasp.
You can never be without the ten worlds. Because you live in the ocean does not mean you cannot move the water.
Re: So We All Deserve to Suffer, huh ?
Originally posted by Goddess KaliCatholics are Christians. 😐
Instead of being percieved as a powerful race of beings who have the ability to transcend the impulses of survival and do a great many things (like Buddhism, Hinduism, some sects of Catholicism, and other religions/philosophies have), we are generally seen as a naturally wicked people who are unworthy of God's Graces, yet God will overlook our "disgusting ways" and our lack of worth, and indulge us with his generosity, saving us from an eternal torment which we all naturally deserve, if we accept Christ as savior.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You speak without understanding, and like a child lash out at what you cannot grasp.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You can never be without the ten worlds. Because you live in the ocean does not mean you cannot move the water.
Yes, that is your belief and you have no Science behind it.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm not the one with emotions based actions and thoughts. That's you shaky, I've given you time and you failed to prove your point. So, in the end it's simply a belief like God, with nothing to substantiate it.Yes, that is your [B]belief
and you have no Science behind it. [/B]
You are the one who resorted to calling me a child. That sounds like emotions to me.
Please give me an example of a thought that is not derived from an emotion.
Also, you might want to read up on the ten world, so you know what I'm talking about.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are the one who resorted to calling me a child. That sounds like emotions to me.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Please give me an example of a thought that is not derived from an emotion.
The decscion to:
-Shower
-Tie your shoe
-Refrain from a pleasurable activity
-Excersize
-Brainstorming
Infact, I could easily change my emotions by reframing.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Also, you might want to read up on the ten world, so you know what I'm talking about.
Okay, I'll check it out.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I used it in my analogy, I honestly was not trying to insult you. But, if you take offense then I apologise.
Apology accepted.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The decscion to:-Shower
-Tie your shoe
-Refrain from something pleasurable
It all depends on why you want to take a shower, tie your shoe, or refrain from something pleasurable. Even if we don’t realize it, we never, out of the blue, say “I think I’ll go take a shower”. It is always a result of something. What is it that would make you want to go take a shower?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Okay, I'll check it out.
The six states from Hell to Heaven are called the six paths or six lower worlds. They have in common the fact that their emergence or disappearance is governed by external circumstances.
Basically, our emotions (Which is what the Ten worlds appear to encompass) are dictated by our external world.
The next two states, Learning and Realization, come about when we recognize that everything experienced in the six paths is impermanent and we begin to seek some lasting truth.
In other words these four worlds are connected to thought, and not feeling. Furthermore, they seem be regarded on a higher plateu than the other six which was my point.
They have in common the fact that their emergence or disappearance is governed by external circumstances.
So, these emotions are limited versus thinking/Reason/Thought.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It all depends on why you want to take a shower, tie your shoe, or refrain from something pleasurable. Even if we don’t realize it, we never, out of the blue, say “I think I’ll go take a shower”. It is always a result of something. What is it that would make you want to go take a shower?
Why would we say it out of the blue, thoughts are not inheritely random. They are dictated and a manesfistation of will. Emotions like the Ten Worlds dictate are limited and seem to be controlled by the material world.