Originally posted by psycho gundamBeing effective and being what people see in the movies are 2 completely different things.
don't get me wrong it's effective, but the weight difference is too vast for strikes to win it for lee.
Fighting multiple people at once is an uphill battle, fighting multiple people who far outweigh you and hoping to beat them, well, you're better off running.
a dream fight for bruce lee that i would pay to see would be him vs prince naseem hamad, if you don't know him there's always youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUFYtXNN0A
maybe you'll agree.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, without his powers; Ben has a rather large gut. Plus, out of the starting list, I'd say that WW is the best martial artist
well think of Ben Grim as like the human version of the Blob. This is a gross exaggeration, but you know what I mean. He just has more muscle. A little bit of fat can help in a fight. Look at the best mixed martial arts fighters or even certain linebackers etc. The immensely jacked usually do not turn out to be the best fighters in real life. All that is for appearance/looks, so unless you are a body builder or actor 0% body fat is not necessary in a real fight.
Originally posted by Brutacus
Yeah that would matter in a real live fight, but like I said before people who have more skill in comics seem to be able to last longer or far better than they would in a real live situation.
It's like in the comics the person with more skill would win more easier.
Than the guy with the muscle's.
And I'm not saying that Thor is unskilled or not unless someone can show me he's really close to her in the skill department.
I'll change my mind.
Didn't Bane (big non-martial artist) break batman's (superb martial artist) spine? I've never read the comics, just heard about it so correct me if i'm wrong, but that's one big muscular dude winning over a martial artist.
Besides, you're asking for proof that thor is close to WW in fighting skills, but do you actually have proof that WW is a better fighter than him? Until you can provide proof that she is the better fighter, then that will remain as just your opinion.
like i said in my previous post, just because she's drawn doing fancier kicks and sommersaults doesn't necessarily mean she's the better fighter. like i said, i've seen Capt. America beat the crap out of Daredevil using nothing but punches despite DD's best moves (and it wasn't even a close fight). It's not how many different styles or moves you know that matters, it's how you apply what you know into actual fighting.
As far as we know, both thor and diana have been trained in h2h since birth (and thor is by far the older of the two). They've been trained such that they had no equal in their respective races. So I don't see where the conclusion is comming from that diana is the better fighter. She might very well be, or she might not. its a toss up as far as i'm concerned.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Colossus, Thor and Juggernaut would all have more muscle than Ben in human form.
Its not all muscle. But I would agree they all have more muscle. Except for Juggernaut, who would revert to a skinny dude without his powers. But I think that Ben might have the best mix of Martial Arts ability. I do not think Thor knows any MA, and I am not sure how good colossus is. However, from the Colossus scans/X-men comics I have looked at he does not seem to know a lot of MA. Moreover, for WW how tall and heavy is she? I have seen different incarnations of her where she is a tall and muscular amazon and other scans where she is smaller and less muscular but still kicks butt and has all her powers. I think this is an important question to answer
Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Thor breaks Diana's jaw with one punch...Diana isn't going to be able to hit as hard as Thor, Thing, or Colossus, just not happening. All the MA skills in the world can't help an woman (even of good athletic build) take a punch from 300lb viking who's been fighting longer than she's been alive.
Originally posted by MightyEInherjarYou realise Wonder Woman and Superman fought in Asgard for 1000 years?
Thor breaks Diana's jaw with one punch...Diana isn't going to be able to hit as hard as Thor, Thing, or Colossus, just not happening. All the MA skills in the world can't help an woman (even of good athletic build) take a punch from 300lb viking who's been fighting longer than she's been alive.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Didn't Bane (big non-martial artist) break batman's (superb martial artist) spine? I've never read the comics, just heard about it so correct me if i'm wrong, but that's one big muscular dude winning over a martial artist.Besides, you're asking for proof that thor is close to WW in fighting skills, but do you actually have proof that WW is a better fighter than him? Until you can provide proof that she is the better fighter, then that will remain as just your opinion.
like i said in my previous post, just because she's drawn doing fancier kicks and sommersaults doesn't necessarily mean she's the better fighter. like i said, i've seen Capt. America beat the crap out of Daredevil using nothing but punches despite DD's best moves (and it wasn't even a close fight). It's not how many different styles or moves you know that matters, it's how you apply what you know into actual fighting.
As far as we know, both thor and diana have been trained in h2h since birth (and thor is by far the older of the two). They've been trained such that they had no equal in their respective races. So I don't see where the conclusion is comming from that diana is the better fighter. She might very well be, or she might not. its a toss up as far as i'm concerned.
Euh yeah didn't bane release the prisoners from Arkham Asylum people like the Joker, the Scarecrow, the Mad Hatter, The Ventriloquist, Firefly, Cavalier, and Zsasz.
So it took batman 3 months to get them all or something like that.
After that bane broke batmans back wenn batman was exhausted.
Maybe you should use a other example than that.
Because Bane knew it was foolish to take him head on.
And sure it's only my opninion, did I ever say that I was right.
But let's comepare the two thor and WW.
Who off those two use his/her skill more and who in comics use there strenght more???
Did I say she knows more move's I believe I said she is more skilled.
Or use the skill more in my OPINION.
Originally posted by Brutacus
Euh yeah didn't bane release the prisoners from Arkham Asylum people like the Joker, the Scarecrow, the Mad Hatter, The Ventriloquist, Firefly, Cavalier, and Zsasz.
So it took batman 3 months to get them all or something like that.
After that bane broke batmans back wenn batman was exhausted.Maybe you should use a other example than that.
Because Bane knew it was foolish to take him head on.And sure it's only my opninion, did I ever say that I was right.
But let's comepare the two thor and WW.
Who off those two use his/her skill more and who in comics use there strenght more???
Did I say she knows more move's I believe I said she is more skilled.
Or use the skill more in my OPINION.
Oh, well at least that clears the batman issue. like i said, i admit i didn't read the issue, just heard about it.
about comics showing who is using more skill... it does show WW doing more h2h than thor coz thor has his hammer most of the time... but is that enough to conclude she's better?
when thor does use h2h, we usually see him punching and wrestling while we see WW do more kung-fu style moves... but boxing and wrestling are still considered martial arts... 2 of the oldest and most effective.
just coz its more flashy doesn't necessarily mean its better martial arts. So maybe WW is better in h2h (i'm actually inclined to think she is), but it might not be. I just don't think we can conclude she is better simply because she is drawn doing fancier moves, especially when we're comparing her to a guy whose been training for a thousand+ years more than her.
Originally posted by Silent GuardianCain wasn't skinny before getting the gem.
Its not all muscle. But I would agree they all have more muscle. Except for Juggernaut, who would revert to a skinny dude without his powers. But I think that Ben might have the best mix of Martial Arts ability. I do not think Thor knows any MA, and I am not sure how good colossus is. However, from the Colossus scans/X-men comics I have looked at he does not seem to know a lot of MA. Moreover, for WW how tall and heavy is she? I have seen different incarnations of her where she is a tall and muscular amazon and other scans where she is smaller and less muscular but still kicks butt and has all her powers. I think this is an important question to answer